RE: Croft Circuit Facing Closure

[singlecoil]

Seems a lot of the posts on this thread are about how stupid or nasty these people are for startiing this action.

Perhaps what they should be about is how to win the action, or if it's too late for that then how to stop it happening at other circuits.

Seems simple to me, this issue is noise. Make the cars quieter. Who cares what the production car limits are, it's got nothing to do with this particular problem.

[s.m.h.]

singlecoil said:

Seems simple to me, this issue is noise. Make the cars quieter. Who cares what the production car limits are, it's got nothing to do with this particular problem.

Why should it be that a main road adjacent to a circuit can have cars running 24/7 at noise levels exceeding the circuit which only has cars running between (in most cases) 9am and 7pm?

[singlecoil]

s.m.h. said:

singlecoil said:

Seems simple to me, this issue is noise. Make the cars quieter. Who cares what the production car limits are, it's got nothing to do with this particular problem.

Why should it be that a main road adjacent to a circuit can have cars running 24/7 at noise levels exceeding the circuit which only has cars running between (in most cases) 9am and 7pm?

Should? What's that got to do with it? This isn't about 'should'. Concentrating on 'should' is distracting from the real issue, and that is to keep these circuits open.

[Dr Imran T]

Dr KT said:

Blood boiler.

The circuit has been there for years- and before hand it was a WW2 base- at what point does moving next door to a circuit raise alarm bells of noise!

Agreed. I find this kind of thing most annoying. I have been going there for many many years and have noticed the cars have indeed become quieter.

It seems all to often that a few 'minority' groups spoil things for the masses.

I will be keeping a close eye on this one.

[s.m.h.]

singlecoil said:

s.m.h. said:

singlecoil said:

Seems simple to me, this issue is noise. Make the cars quieter. Who cares what the production car limits are, it's got nothing to do with this particular problem.

Why should it be that a main road adjacent to a circuit can have cars running 24/7 at noise levels exceeding the circuit which only has cars running between (in most cases) 9am and 7pm?

Should? What's that got to do with it? This isn't about 'should'. Concentrating on 'should' is distracting from the real issue, and that is to keep these circuits open.

My point being, having experience of cars nearly excluded from race meetings (british GT) due to draconian noise levels enforced, that where do you suggest they set the noise limit ?
108? 105? 98? even then theres the accumulative noise that (in Goodwoods case) causes cars that pass the static test to fail on circuit due to another car too close. How can you race or have a track day where if you get too close you have to stop??

[Cerberus90]

BelperJim said:

juansolo said:

darth_pies said:

There's a railway line a few hundred yards from my house and i can hear the trains going past at all times of the day, 365 days a year.

Can i now sue the train operator for damaging my quality of life?

If they can get away with this, then I honestly don't see why not.

Birds aswell they wake me up all the time ruining my quality of life. Who do I sue in that circumstance.

God, just like Billy Connolly,


These people must have some serious mental problems. If you move into a house next to a race track, then theres bound to be noise.
And what sort of difference is 50 days down to 40 days.

I live about 10-20 miles away from Mallory, on a sunday I can sometimes hear the cars racing if the wind is blowing in the right direction. But I'm not going to sue them.

Maybe these people are part of the group that has caused the big financial problems, i.e. spending money on a credit card and not having the money to pay it off. And now they're trying to get money from any little thing.

[juansolo]

s.m.h. said:

My point being, having experience of cars nearly excluded from race meetings (british GT) due to draconian noise levels enforced, that where do you suggest they set the noise limit ?
108? 105? 98? even then theres the accumulative noise that (in Goodwoods case) causes cars that pass the static test to fail on circuit due to another car too close. How can you race or have a track day where if you get too close you have to stop??

Road rallying... F**k it, they close the tracks, we'll use the roads. Ok so you can't do it with more than 12 cars (unsurprisingly there's a law to stop this). But I'm sure that could be got around by using different classes that take different routes. Or being sensible for a second, take our cars and business to Belgium/Holland/France/Germany/etc.

Edited by juansolo on Monday 19th January 19:33

[GuinnessMK]

I am extremely disappointed to hear about the possibility of Croft closing, due basically to a messy divorce case.

The Judge has decided the "blighted value" of the two houses is £93.6k and £34k? Making a total of £127.6k for the pair.

How about I agree to buy the houses for the agreed valuation?

I'd be handy for me going to BTCC / trackdays etc. Might even have enough space to open a B&B! Or you lot could camp in the front garden when there is a race meet on!

Mike

[singlecoil]

s.m.h. said:

singlecoil said:

s.m.h. said:

singlecoil said:

Seems simple to me, this issue is noise. Make the cars quieter. Who cares what the production car limits are, it's got nothing to do with this particular problem.

Why should it be that a main road adjacent to a circuit can have cars running 24/7 at noise levels exceeding the circuit which only has cars running between (in most cases) 9am and 7pm?

Should? What's that got to do with it? This isn't about 'should'. Concentrating on 'should' is distracting from the real issue, and that is to keep these circuits open.

My point being, having experience of cars nearly excluded from race meetings (british GT) due to draconian noise levels enforced, that where do you suggest they set the noise limit ?
108? 105? 98? even then theres the accumulative noise that (in Goodwoods case) causes cars that pass the static test to fail on circuit due to another car too close. How can you race or have a track day where if you get too close you have to stop??

Don't ask me, ask the people who are complaining (and who may well have the power to close the circuits). It doesn't matter what you and I think, it's what they think that counts.

[Dare2Fail]

singlecoil said:

s.m.h. said:

singlecoil said:

s.m.h. said:

singlecoil said:

Seems simple to me, this issue is noise. Make the cars quieter. Who cares what the production car limits are, it's got nothing to do with this particular problem.

Why should it be that a main road adjacent to a circuit can have cars running 24/7 at noise levels exceeding the circuit which only has cars running between (in most cases) 9am and 7pm?

Should? What's that got to do with it? This isn't about 'should'. Concentrating on 'should' is distracting from the real issue, and that is to keep these circuits open.

My point being, having experience of cars nearly excluded from race meetings (british GT) due to draconian noise levels enforced, that where do you suggest they set the noise limit ?
108? 105? 98? even then theres the accumulative noise that (in Goodwoods case) causes cars that pass the static test to fail on circuit due to another car too close. How can you race or have a track day where if you get too close you have to stop??

Don't ask me, ask the people who are complaining (and who may well have the power to close the circuits). It doesn't matter what you and I think, it's what they think that counts.

If the issue was just the noise then you are correct, but reading between the lines it would appear that the noise is just a means to wreak revenge on an ex-husband.

The daughter was married to the circuit owner while the business was being grown (and I suspect trackdays would have been part of this business growth). As part of the redevelopment they built three houses, one of which is bought by the wife's parents. Now, do you think the parents knew what sort of work the daughter and her husband were involved in?

Fast forward and the marriage falls apart and suddenly there is a court case about excessive noise (some of which the daughter may be responsible if she was a partner in the business before the divorce).

I could be wrong, it could be all about the noise, but it looks to me that this is an exercise in revenge or gaining more money (and, to be fair, maybe she was screwed over in the divorce but why should the innocent public have to suffer?)

Edited by Dare2Fail on Monday 19th January 20:22

[malman]

GuinnessMK said:

I am extremely disappointed to hear about the possibility of Croft closing, due basically to a messy divorce case.

The Judge has decided the "blighted value" of the two houses is £93.6k and £34k? Making a total of £127.6k for the pair.

How about I agree to buy the houses for the agreed valuation?

I'd be handy for me going to BTCC / trackdays etc. Might even have enough space to open a B&B! Or you lot could camp in the front garden when there is a race meet on!

Mike

Make that £626,400 for Pond house and £366,000 for the Granary an you might have deal but some how I doubt it.

Your figures are just the value of the blight

[Mr Whippy]

Think I might move in next to Heathrow and then sue them for noise

Some people are such cretins... lets hope they choke to death on the money... somehow

[singlecoil]

Dare2Fail said:

singlecoil said:

s.m.h. said:

singlecoil said:

s.m.h. said:

singlecoil said:

Seems simple to me, this issue is noise. Make the cars quieter. Who cares what the production car limits are, it's got nothing to do with this particular problem.

Why should it be that a main road adjacent to a circuit can have cars running 24/7 at noise levels exceeding the circuit which only has cars running between (in most cases) 9am and 7pm?

Should? What's that got to do with it? This isn't about 'should'. Concentrating on 'should' is distracting from the real issue, and that is to keep these circuits open.

My point being, having experience of cars nearly excluded from race meetings (british GT) due to draconian noise levels enforced, that where do you suggest they set the noise limit ?
108? 105? 98? even then theres the accumulative noise that (in Goodwoods case) causes cars that pass the static test to fail on circuit due to another car too close. How can you race or have a track day where if you get too close you have to stop??

Don't ask me, ask the people who are complaining (and who may well have the power to close the circuits). It doesn't matter what you and I think, it's what they think that counts.

If the issue was just the noise then you are correct, but reading between the lines it would appear that the noise is just a means to wreak revenge on an ex-husband.

The daughter was married to the circuit owner while the business was being grown (and I suspect trackdays would have been part of this business growth). As part of the redevelopment they built three houses, one of which is bought by the wife's parents. Now, do you think the parents knew what sort of work the daughter and her husband were involved in?

Fast forward and the marriage falls apart and suddenly there is a court case about excessive noise (some of which the daughter may be responsible if she was a partner in the business before the divorce).

I could be wrong, it could be all about the noise, but it looks to me that this is an exercise in revenge or gaining more money (and, to be fair, maybe she was screwed over in the divorce but why should the innocent public have to suffer?)

Edited by Dare2Fail on Monday 19th January 20:22

Who cares what the motivation is? Unless the judge cares, and he's the only one that counts in this case.

People need to stop thinking about the rights and wrongs, and start coming up with an effective strategy

[Miles Perry]

Maybe croft should make the most of their agricultral licence and start tractor racing! If it was to be closed down I would be buying the biggest loudest fleet of farm machinery I could find! Then plant a load of hungry heffers, just to sweeten the enviroment a little.
Nice to see the solicitors etc are gonna come out with a tidy packet as usuall.

[WILDROVER42]

If the circuit was in use before they moved there then how can they have the flippin cheek and arrogance to mount a case like this?

Bit like moving close to an airport (Heathrow for example) and then complaining about the noise.

It would be a very, very dangerous precedent for a variety of areas if these people win their case.

[funnyimpreza]

Between 7am and 11pm we can make as much noise as we want...its the law!

Unless its a 24hour race thats never going to happen!

These guys are gayer than homosexual camels.

[Chocmonster]

Miles Perry said:

Maybe croft should make the most of their agricultral licence and start tractor racing!

I've heard that a major truck festival is going to be held there this year - now that isn't going to be quiet!

[tumbojum]

I cannot believe that this is happening. Surely the family involved new the noise implications when they bought the nearby farm, unless they have been there since before the race-track was established back in the fifties or even earlier (I should know the date when it became a race-track, but i dont unfortunately ), which means if not, it has taken them an awfull lot of time to realise the noise is annoying. I bet if you could see the faces of the families children when the cars are zooming past at 100mph plus, spitting flames, farting and popping along, they wouldnt be wanting the track to come to a close....I have spent many a cool summer stood on the side of the track watching cars that, otherwise, I would never have the option or opportunity to witness in the flesh, stationary or moving other than in magazines (Remember you cant feel or hear the noise reading a magazine). I feel sad that this family feels strong enough to go to these lengths to potentially stop people from hearing one of the best selection of noises in the world............Sorry for the rant, but I felt I should blow up about this one.

[colB3]

jagdpanther said:

It would be interesting to find out how long the family in question has been living nearby seeing as Croft has been in regular use for donkeys years.

The thing that gets me is that with all the financial crap going down at the moment, you would think the locals realised that the amount of money Croft actually brings into the area is quite important and should be much welcomed...but nope.

All you get is people pissing and whining!!

Personally I think Croft as a spectator circuit could be vastly improved from parking to facilities to vantage points, but it's a good circuit for racing

perhaps they should move house instead maybe next to heathrow airport then they could listen to the nice aeroplanes all night and day instead and leave the petrol heads alone and in peace

[LukeBird]

I won't retype what I did in the NIMBY thread, but it's interesting that only track days and open dev days cause a disturbance. I suppose racing cars are so much quieter!
fken unreal!