Red Bull flexi front wing - judge for yourself
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^ Agreed.
The amount of movement side to side at those speeds would up-set a road car let alone an F1 car.
By nature, the RB wing wants to stay square in the wake of the car it's following. As soon as one side of the wing leaves the wake, that side drops sharply with the increased air flow pushing the nose of the car back behind the car in front.
The Red Bull wing breaks the rules. Whether or not is passes a test to see if it will flex, we know it does because we can see it does.
The amount of movement side to side at those speeds would up-set a road car let alone an F1 car.
By nature, the RB wing wants to stay square in the wake of the car it's following. As soon as one side of the wing leaves the wake, that side drops sharply with the increased air flow pushing the nose of the car back behind the car in front.
The Red Bull wing breaks the rules. Whether or not is passes a test to see if it will flex, we know it does because we can see it does.
MoBeanz said:
^ Agreed.
The amount of movement side to side at those speeds would up-set a road car let alone an F1 car.
By nature, the RB wing wants to stay square in the wake of the car it's following. As soon as one side of the wing leaves the wake, that side drops sharply with the increased air flow pushing the nose of the car back behind the car in front.
The Red Bull wing breaks the rules. Whether or not is passes a test to see if it will flex, we know it does because we can see it does.
Curious to see how much more of their speed is lost once the new flexi floor tests come in at Monza. Although from what I've read, this may catch a few teams out?The amount of movement side to side at those speeds would up-set a road car let alone an F1 car.
By nature, the RB wing wants to stay square in the wake of the car it's following. As soon as one side of the wing leaves the wake, that side drops sharply with the increased air flow pushing the nose of the car back behind the car in front.
The Red Bull wing breaks the rules. Whether or not is passes a test to see if it will flex, we know it does because we can see it does.
MoBeanz said:
I've read the same although I think the biggest losers will be RB as their car depends on flexibility.
I hope that Charlie Whiting has seen the onboard from Vettels car on Sunday. It's hard to conclude anything other than that the RB wing flexes and causes instability.
As I've said, it's not an area I know a great deal about (nor understand it in depth) but it isn't just the flexibility relating to the wing. IIRC, I'd seen something that mentioned floors "ballooning" under load to effectively lower the floor when at speed. It hinted at this being a common thing and not just RBR tech. I hope that Charlie Whiting has seen the onboard from Vettels car on Sunday. It's hard to conclude anything other than that the RB wing flexes and causes instability.
I'll see if I can find the article.
5678 said:
MoBeanz said:
I've read the same although I think the biggest losers will be RB as their car depends on flexibility.
I hope that Charlie Whiting has seen the onboard from Vettels car on Sunday. It's hard to conclude anything other than that the RB wing flexes and causes instability.
As I've said, it's not an area I know a great deal about (nor understand it in depth) but it isn't just the flexibility relating to the wing. IIRC, I'd seen something that mentioned floors "ballooning" under load to effectively lower the floor when at speed. It hinted at this being a common thing and not just RBR tech. I hope that Charlie Whiting has seen the onboard from Vettels car on Sunday. It's hard to conclude anything other than that the RB wing flexes and causes instability.
I'll see if I can find the article.
^ That’s a good little article.
There has been talk of the RB, and more recently the Ferrari cars, flexing further back allowing the nose to drop. Whether its the spoiler, the nose or the floor... moving parts aren’t allowed.
It will be interesting to track RBs performance over the next couple of races.
There has been talk of the RB, and more recently the Ferrari cars, flexing further back allowing the nose to drop. Whether its the spoiler, the nose or the floor... moving parts aren’t allowed.
It will be interesting to track RBs performance over the next couple of races.
rufusruffcutt said:
This animated gif was posted by munroman in another thread.
Watch the nose cone of the Red Bull, use the forward aerial (pitot tube) as the reference point. I don't think that is a paint reflection, it appears the nose-cone is bending downwards at speed along with the front wing?
If it is moving more than 10mm then that's also breaking 3.17.1. Unless the flexible part is further forward of the 800mm testing point then it wouldn't be picked up by the FIA.
I refer you to this animation, to me it shows the nose bending downwards at speed, which of course the front wing will follow, with appropriate lamination and hinge points it would be relatively simple to do.Watch the nose cone of the Red Bull, use the forward aerial (pitot tube) as the reference point. I don't think that is a paint reflection, it appears the nose-cone is bending downwards at speed along with the front wing?
If it is moving more than 10mm then that's also breaking 3.17.1. Unless the flexible part is further forward of the 800mm testing point then it wouldn't be picked up by the FIA.
AlexS said:
5678 said:
MoBeanz said:
I've read the same although I think the biggest losers will be RB as their car depends on flexibility.
I hope that Charlie Whiting has seen the onboard from Vettels car on Sunday. It's hard to conclude anything other than that the RB wing flexes and causes instability.
As I've said, it's not an area I know a great deal about (nor understand it in depth) but it isn't just the flexibility relating to the wing. IIRC, I'd seen something that mentioned floors "ballooning" under load to effectively lower the floor when at speed. It hinted at this being a common thing and not just RBR tech. I hope that Charlie Whiting has seen the onboard from Vettels car on Sunday. It's hard to conclude anything other than that the RB wing flexes and causes instability.
I'll see if I can find the article.
Not sure if it's already linked to in here or not, but this is a good read on splitters in F1 (Scarbs F1) http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/753/
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