Why is the series been names the Tuscan and Sag Challenge

[jellison]

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

[jellison]

Daftlad said:

jellison said:

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

And there are no proper Sagari competing so far either!!

Well obviously - they would not last 5 minutes!

Seems a Title dream't up down the pub, going to be all and any TVR's, let em think we could call it the Griff200, 400, Grantura, Vixen, Cerbera, 2500m, 3000m, 1600m, Chimeara, Griffith, Tuscan, Sagaris, T350, 3501, 390, 420, etc, etc Challenge. Would make nore sense!

[jellison]

Graham said:

I think there are issues over using TVR in the title which may be the problem. We could have re-used the TVRcc Challenge name, but I guess with main series co-ordinator coming from the Tuscan side that wasnt going to happen, and T&S challenge is a reflection that its moved on from just the tuscans...
looks a little odd though I'll admit but as long as the racings good i dont really care :-)


still could be worse channel 111 on sky has been renamed Dave and my wife calls the series "that f**king racing"

Tell me about it - I just get rolled eyes when I mention my races cars!

[jellison]

GlynnsportRacing said:

Daftlad said:

jellison said:

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

And there are no proper Sagari competing so far either!!

In a way, what's more interesting is that the race Tuscans never bore any resemblance to the road version at all and yet have never provoked such a comment!

Why would they - they are a separate manufactured car - just cos not a road car why would anyone have an issue with them. Just reusing the name like the Mk 90's Griff's

[jellison]

Does anyone run an SP6 as a racer - as an individual (not a race team like at Lemans) seem to me to be asking for the inevitible trouble - just alot sooner and with a bigger bang.

Do like the Tuscan Sags. Think championship should be on widish Blue Book road tyres though - too much Grip is Crap.

[jellison]

Daftlad said:

ceejay said:

Daftlad said:

Graham said:

Daftlad said:

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Engine would last I think Jed if built properly and freshened at realistic intervals. They dont however, fit well within the P/W regs that are being punted about. Even the T350 that ran last year would be a dubious choice for a well policed class B.

I'd have thought a t350 s6 would be about bang on 300bhp/ton at the wheels ?

I would have thought a stripped out car with a good engine in almost standard form would be the wrong side of that figure (Class A)- you're probably right and I'd not considered ballasting a car to run in class B.

You don't need to ballast it, the roll cage weighs far more than a bit of carpet, interior trim and a passenger seat. The weight also includes the driver (about 70kg for me) so at a rough guess in a T350 you'd need something like 380 - 400bhp at the fly.

ceejay

The car has a cage so it's differntial weight, loss of glass, aircon, interior, wheels etc - it matters not - the weighbridge will tell the story.

I did say a fit engine and 380 is not earth shattering for a well built S6 assuming it stays as a 3,6 .

But Sags are lucky to make 365bhp at the fly from the ones at SRR (and Tuscan S's) and around 310ft/lbs.

Is it not just a straight below 300 / upto 350 / and over 400bhp at the fly class structure? Seem MASSIVELY Open to cheating unless they are checked on dynos regularly.

[jellison]

Daftlad said:

jellison said:

Is it not just a straight below 300 / upto 350 / and over 400bhp at the fly class structure? Seem MASSIVELY Open to cheating unless they are checked on dynos regularly.

Structure not yet 100% confirmed.

Your comments on the SRR figures are in general for TVR built engines that often can't manage the same CR on all 6 cylinders and with cranks and rods that look like they've been in a scrap yard for two weeks before being fitted. Lots to be had from a S6 especially with 4,5s etc being available...

You are racing next year? M - what one? Turbo?

Are you saying TVR Built SP6's are Shit then and useless for racing - must have special rods / piston made for the job assembled for racing?

And why the F*CK am I not getting updated on new entries in this thread if I created it?

They can't get the same CR on all cylinders - that sounds nuts!? I know of a mate very carefully run in Sag lump - pain in the arse trying to get him to open it up till 2k miles - madness!! (6 month before they folded that make 363bhp and 310ft/lbs (one of the best on SRR on over 367 I think).

Edited by jellison on Thursday 1st November 16:01

[jellison]

Cool how much Mojo does the M have - not the easiest lumps to get power from.

[jellison]

teamHOLDENracing said:

Next time I see Peter Wheeler at a Heritage race I'll ask him whether he thinks my LS6 engined, Tuscan Challenge chassised, Sagaris bodied race car is in the spirit of TVR. I don't suppose he'll give a , but I bet he'll be quietly chuffed if it gives the Porsches,Ferraris, Vipers and BMWs a good hiding. Which it will.

I love the AJP8 engine - it is superb and reliable in a sprint race format - and I really wanted to see the Speed Six succeed. But if Lawrence Tomlinson couldn't make the S6 work in a race car, I was buggered if I was going to try.

God - I'd love to get Wheeler out in my car - maybe he would not have sold the company if he had experinced LS6 Power in one of his cars!!

Pulled it out of the Garage today (still had the roof down from a few weeks ago) and gave it some banana's into work - Muther F*cker - easy to forget how fast it is.

I would be Mega in the challenge on slick and a tad lighter. Even heavy it would be miles ahead of all class B stuff. Mapped for 99 octane it would be about 415bhp and 390+ ft/lbs (so much more torque than an AJP form sod all revs, it could give away some power - and this is a stock one!).

Sag / Tuscan with one would just turn up and spank allcomers. (If it was cammed to about 440+bhp).

[jellison]

trackcar said:

stick a cage in it and come and show us how its done then Jon. or are you only into that girlie historic stuff

It is a Nice road car - you won't be seeing Daftlad out in his Sag or 3000S Turbo for the same reasons.

If someone wants to buy it off me, they can do what they want with it (think I might sell it early next year as too many cars and no space to do the Griff!). I might even mod it for racing for them. But no Historics is where it is at. Almost as fast as Tuscans in straight lines but crap brakes and tyres - MUCH more of a "Challenge"

[jellison]

Sam well done on the Championship - have you got a Properly Fast TVR for this year then?

[jellison]

sam.mnc said:

jellison said:

Sam well done on the Championship - have you got a Properly Fast TVR for this year then?

THANKYOU....

YUP, gonna be out to play in a full blood tuscan!!!!!! If the taz does not sell, i might even come out in C here and there if the racing looks good. Sounds like C has really developed, could be loads of fun.

Cool toss up then - Go VERY FAST and play with less VERY Fast ones at the front or lot in C.

Stuff it - Win the races outright

[jellison]

teamHOLDENracing said:

1) Because TVR will not permit use of the TVR name

2) Because the correct spelling is 'Challenge'

But TVR does not exist! - You mean whoever still owns the name.

Seem NUTz

[jellison]

teamHOLDENracing said:

It was always the TVR Tuscan Challenge whilst factory supported, apart from the final year, 2004, when it was the TVR Challenge.

You can understand why the owner of the trademark 'TVR' might want to protect the name. If (big if I grant you) TVR ever gets going again and wants to run its own race series again, it may well want to call it the TVR Challenge.

Doesn't seem to worry Ford, or Porsche etc... but I suppose the only thing of any value in TVR is the name and therefore you'd probably want to protect it

True - Just seems like utter Bollox - where does the guy live - someone should pay him a visit

[jellison]

Tuscan and Sagaris Challenge - is Just Daft when no Real Sags will be out just Tuscans made to look like Sag.

DAFT.

[jellison]

The name will have to be changed again at some point though.

[jellison]

Guillotine said:

you could come racing anyway Jelly...surely (and sadly) any TVR racing is now historic???



agree on the name
agree it doesn't matter to us
also agree it SHOULD make sense to Joe Public

maybe it shows where John's mind is focussed in the Future??? I've said it once and I'll say it again.....

andy

Maybe - long way off. (Did you get my mail Andy). If I did race mine it would be a fia spec bar the Yoko's but no slicks so likely be playing at the front of B (more power but less grip).

[jellison]

heightswitch said:

jellison said:

Guillotine said:

you could come racing anyway Jelly...surely (and sadly) any TVR racing is now historic???



agree on the name
agree it doesn't matter to us
also agree it SHOULD make sense to Joe Public

maybe it shows where John's mind is focussed in the Future??? I've said it once and I'll say it again.....

andy

Maybe - long way off. (Did you get my mail Andy). If I did race mine it would be a fia spec bar the Yoko's but no slicks so likely be playing at the front of B (more power but less grip).

Get your finger out Jon. No excuses.

PS Your Bats wing is finished. Just making the front support bush. I had to find some proper CDS thick wall tube. Will machine out for bush size as per your pattern sometime this week.

Neil.

Cool, look forward to them (sending back with the Cambridge originals). I am working on it - writing Platiman a mail re all fiber mods required as we speak - but need space - chim has to go so that I can have one of Tr racers at mine (Surrey - so we have space to do it in Swindon). Space and cash.

10 race next year for the TRs in Thoroughbreds. You should pop along to one of the northern ones. Cadwell / Oulton.

[jellison]

I started the topic on the odd name of the Championship not for anyone and everything to harp on about what and what isn't a Sag FFS! (Tuscan Chassis abd Sag top is close to the best TVR they (could have built in anycase). Can see anyone daft enough to race a real Sag.

[jellison]

Not sure all the references to Daft are aimed at me Never thought of That!