Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner

[finlo]

Me thinks LR should have begged Ford to keep on supplying them with engines!

[Court_S]

That’s a good effort so far.

Someone has done a proper number on that engine…you’re a braver man many taking that on. I guess many would just wang a new (used) engine in.

[SonicHedgeHog]

Pretty epic stuff, especially at this time of year with the rubbish weather and lots of family stuff going on.

I’m not qualified to comment on the detail of the engine rebuild, but I would be inclined to try and rebuild this one. Reason being that Land Rover engines don’t have a great reputation at the moment and a replacement used unit could well give up the ghost too. Better to rebuild this one using quality components so it’ll definitely last a long time.

Good luck. I think it’s fair to say everyone on Pistonheads is rooting for you.

[RazerSauber]

I'm all in on this. I'm sure Salvage Rebuilds UK have had similar issues with this engine in a few Land Rovers and they seem to get them going again, though I'm not sure any have made such a mess of the bottom end.

[LivLL]

Escy said:

I pulled the driveshafts, one CV boot is looking pretty manky. I'm not sure why they didn't sort that the last time it was out, I will be.

It failed the mot in Jan 21' for this and somehow passed a few days later at a different MOT station.

This car looks unloved and poorly maintained to get in such a state after just 6 years.

How many owners has it had?

The shell damage looks suspiciously like someone has had the exact same failure before and just slapped in some new shells and flogged it on.

Loving the write up but if it was mine I'd be a bit concerned with the state of the rest of it. ££££ can soon stack up with a proper strip and rebuild - do you have a budget and a get out for this car?

[Shedding]

Escy said:

Crank out, I think maybe I should get myself an engine stand.

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I'm also suspicious on whether the last person did the work they say. The sealant in this photo definitely looks factory. Would it have had to be broken for the cylinder boring? I would have thought so to clear any swarf. Can you call South Wales Piston Services and check they definitely did work?

[trails]

So a sub-optimal engine design exacerbated by ham-fisted repair. Maybe.

Hopefully no more nasty surprises.

[Dr G]

Given your expertise in making Audi engines work where they're not supposed to...

...5 Cylinder turbo F pace anyone?

[Escy]

Court_S said:

That’s a good effort so far.

Someone has done a proper number on that engine…you’re a braver man many taking that on. I guess many would just wang a new (used) engine in.

I would usually on this type of failure but in this instance used engines aren't really about at reasonable money. Lots of demand because they are crap.

SonicHedgeHog said:

Pretty epic stuff, especially at this time of year with the rubbish weather and lots of family stuff going on.

I’m not qualified to comment on the detail of the engine rebuild, but I would be inclined to try and rebuild this one. Reason being that Land Rover engines don’t have a great reputation at the moment and a replacement used unit could well give up the ghost too. Better to rebuild this one using quality components so it’ll definitely last a long time.

Good luck. I think it’s fair to say everyone on Pistonheads is rooting for you.

That is the other thing, buying a replacement used engine doesn't necessarily mean you are sorted. Looking around on the internet there are all sorts of tales of woe, like engines with sub 30k on them suffering catastrophic failure.

RazerSauber said:

I'm all in on this. I'm sure Salvage Rebuilds UK have had similar issues with this engine in a few Land Rovers and they seem to get them going again, though I'm not sure any have made such a mess of the bottom end.

I've watched some relevant videos on their channel. They had a Discovery sport which had a blocked DPF and a bottom end knock. He cleaned up the crank and replaced the bearings as a temporary fix and there wasn't a follow up video on it. I think they probably palmed that one off into an auction. The new video with the specialist on the timing chain is very good.

LivLL said:

It failed the mot in Jan 21' for this and somehow passed a few days later at a different MOT station.

This car looks unloved and poorly maintained to get in such a state after just 6 years.

How many owners has it had?

The shell damage looks suspiciously like someone has had the exact same failure before and just slapped in some new shells and flogged it on.

Loving the write up but if it was mine I'd be a bit concerned with the state of the rest of it. ££££ can soon stack up with a proper strip and rebuild - do you have a budget and a get out for this car?

The CV boot fail said it was split, this one isn't split, just cracked and about to be split. It looks like a stretchy universal fit boot, I think it was replaced but the quality is no good. I did go to a motor factors this morning and they can't get them which probably explains why it's got what it does on it.

It's had 2 owners before me, the guy who bought it new and the one I bought it off who bought it broken and sold it broken (to me) a month later. He's not told me any lies, there's no reason not to believe what he says, he was selling it with a broken engine. He said there wasn't anything wrong with the shells but he replaced them while he was in there (the conrods were off anyway). He did mention he wish he'd taken it straight to webuyanycar once he got it running, 20/20 hindsight. He'd have done that if he was patching it up and he certainly wouldn't have gone to Jaguar for a turbo.

I haven't set a budget but I think I've got it roughly worked out and I'd like it to come in at under 10k all fixed and running. If my crank can be re-ground I should be looking at about around £400 with new bearings, if not, a replacement crank and bearings is £630. Rods are £200 for a set of 4, a gasket set is £150. So about £1000. If I need an oil pump that's another £400. Then all the little bits like oil, coolant, another upright, CV boot, MOT, etc I'd say would be £500. The risk is, I miss something and end up back to square one like the last guy.

[996Keef]

Are the main caps numbered? Would be worth a line bore , looks like the tolerances weren't checked last time, chewed through super quickly

[Escy]

Shedding said:

I'm also suspicious on whether the last person did the work they say. The sealant in this photo definitely looks factory. Would it have had to be broken for the cylinder boring? I would have thought so to clear any swarf. Can you call South Wales Piston Services and check they definitely did work?

It's got to be said, the last guy was pretty impressive when it comes to sealant use. It's definately all been apart. I dropped the crank off to South Wales Pistons this morning and had a chat with him. He confirmed he did the work.

[cabbagekitten]

£12k for a new Jag 2.0 diesel engine??? you could drop a LR AJ133 V8 in the for less!

[Escy]

996Keef said:

Are the main caps numbered? Would be worth a line bore , looks like the tolerances weren't checked last time, chewed through super quickly

They are numbered. All were fitted in the right order. Looking at the mains shells, they are more worn the the closer they are to the knocking rod. I was thinking they look like they do due to the forces of that. I'll speak to South Wales Pistons about getting a line bore done.

[lancer778544]

Escy said:

That's a great offer, I'll send you an email.

Got your email and replied, cheers Escy.

[miniman]

Escy said:

It's got to be said, the last guy was pretty impressive when it comes to sealant use. It's definately all been apart. I dropped the crank off to South Wales Pistons this morning and had a chat with him. He confirmed he did the work.

Did he have any views on why it has st itself so soon?

[Escy]

It looks like the bottom end has been staved of oil, I've taken the cams out and they look good, no sign of metal debris anywhere in the top end of the engine.

I'm thinking either a blocked oil way or an oil pump problem.

[tr7v8]

Looking at that machining bill, my guess would be the two exhaust valves could be replacements from a cam drive issue and one exhaust valve hit the cylinder wall & trashed it. Not unusual to get bearing issues from that as well.

[Escy]

That would explain it nicely but I asked him why he bought some valves, his reply was they weren't seating tidy when they were lapping them in.

[Darkslider]

Nothing much to add other than if this was mine I'd be gutting and mapping out the dpf before doing any serious miles in it once repaired.

[Blanco92]

That's quite a lot of damage.

I was just re-reading your first post on the issue. It was turbo failure initially. Then some miles after a rebuild, it failed again with apparent oil starvation at the bottom end...

Getting the bores checked out seems sensible while its in this state but it sounds like you know what you're doing. Like you I'd be going over it with a fine tooth comb looking for shrapnel or sludgy galleries etc. I'm sure you'll find something.