Crash repaired Scirocco
Discussion
va1o said:
jamoor said:
Isnt that finance thing illegal?
Its common practice, dealers will always do a better deal these days if you take out the finance. VWFS in particular seem to regularly be running offers such as the one above.Alfahorn said:
I agree take the money and move on, not sure what you stand to gain from digging your heals in.
As for being a stronger position as a cash buyer, I'm afraid that's a complete myth. Dealers aren't excited about taking cash, they want to sell finance as they get a commission on the sale of finance as well as bonuses from the finance houses for achieving targets.
I meant stronger position as in been able to buy the car straight without a PX.As for being a stronger position as a cash buyer, I'm afraid that's a complete myth. Dealers aren't excited about taking cash, they want to sell finance as they get a commission on the sale of finance as well as bonuses from the finance houses for achieving targets.
Alfahorn said:
Same reasoning. The PX is another profit opportunity.
Not in my experience unless its something they can retail themselves. Far easier to negotiate a decent price when you just have cash in hand, rather than arguing over PX value. Also opens up the potential of using brokers who don't accept a PX, or even buying from auction/ privately.va1o said:
Alfahorn said:
Same reasoning. The PX is another profit opportunity.
Not in my experience unless its something they can retail themselves. Far easier to negotiate a decent price when you just have cash in hand, rather than arguing over PX value. Also opens up the potential of using brokers who don't accept a PX, or even buying from auction/ privately.Alfahorn said:
My experience as a car salesman tells me otherwise.
Still disagree, as I say unless the car fits their profile they'll just be moving it on to a trader or through an auction at trade price, so quite obviously you aren't going to get any kind of 'special' deal.Anyway spotted this earlier at BCA, 62-plate Scirocco similar to the OPs (if he ever returns) but diesel. Interesting vendor...
Motab have 5 roccos for sale at the moment... two with only delivery miles...
Website is open but doesn't show prices:
https://www.mfldirect.co.uk/
sad case but i feel the need to make a point.
Just because a car is damaged in an accident it does not mean that it Cannot be repaired.It just means that because crap new cars are so complicated (read costly) to repair at main dealer rates of £70 + per hour that the ins company just goes for the cheapest option. Another point i must make is that in order to recoup some of the money that has been paid out the insurance co will prefer to Catorgorise a car as Cat "C" or "D" so that it can be sold as Salvage and thus be repaired.If ins-cos were stopped from doing this the cost of insurance would sky rocket overnight. ie, they pay out £10,000 on a claim for a car, its put into Cat-C group and sold to a Salvage dealer for £3500 who sells it for £5000 to someone who repairs it.If it was Cat B (break for spares only) its value would likely only be £1000 ish.You can do your own sums and work out for yourselves which one the insurance co would rather do !!!
One last point and i know im gonna upset someone here but here goes. New cars are smothered in gimmicks that if you can drive you just dont bleedin need. ie traction control, reversing sensors & Cameras, self arming windscreen wipers and sunroofs that shut themselves if it rains.. All things that New-Car Snobs absolutely MUST HAVE.This is what is driving insurance costs up....In an accident some of these things are damaged ie rear camera £1000 on its own to supply and fit, you soon realise why the expense to repair even a lightly damaged car.
Next time you buy a car take someone who knows a bit about them , it doesnt need to be an AA expert to find things like thin paint on a front bumper. I once looked at a Vauxhall Astra in a Vauxhall main dealer and found that the front wing and drivers/back doors had been repaired and painted but NOT polished so you could see a Dry edge to the paint. I had a row with the salesman who strangely could not see the evidence of a repair even though i was pointing it out. Also the 2 front tyres were nearly bald on the inside edge . Remember that this was a 2 year old Network Q car.
Good luck with your case though.
Just because a car is damaged in an accident it does not mean that it Cannot be repaired.It just means that because crap new cars are so complicated (read costly) to repair at main dealer rates of £70 + per hour that the ins company just goes for the cheapest option. Another point i must make is that in order to recoup some of the money that has been paid out the insurance co will prefer to Catorgorise a car as Cat "C" or "D" so that it can be sold as Salvage and thus be repaired.If ins-cos were stopped from doing this the cost of insurance would sky rocket overnight. ie, they pay out £10,000 on a claim for a car, its put into Cat-C group and sold to a Salvage dealer for £3500 who sells it for £5000 to someone who repairs it.If it was Cat B (break for spares only) its value would likely only be £1000 ish.You can do your own sums and work out for yourselves which one the insurance co would rather do !!!
One last point and i know im gonna upset someone here but here goes. New cars are smothered in gimmicks that if you can drive you just dont bleedin need. ie traction control, reversing sensors & Cameras, self arming windscreen wipers and sunroofs that shut themselves if it rains.. All things that New-Car Snobs absolutely MUST HAVE.This is what is driving insurance costs up....In an accident some of these things are damaged ie rear camera £1000 on its own to supply and fit, you soon realise why the expense to repair even a lightly damaged car.
Next time you buy a car take someone who knows a bit about them , it doesnt need to be an AA expert to find things like thin paint on a front bumper. I once looked at a Vauxhall Astra in a Vauxhall main dealer and found that the front wing and drivers/back doors had been repaired and painted but NOT polished so you could see a Dry edge to the paint. I had a row with the salesman who strangely could not see the evidence of a repair even though i was pointing it out. Also the 2 front tyres were nearly bald on the inside edge . Remember that this was a 2 year old Network Q car.
Good luck with your case though.
garyhance said:
sad case but i feel the need to make a point.
Just because a car is damaged in an accident it does not mean that it Cannot be repaired.It just means that because crap new cars are so complicated (read costly) to repair at main dealer rates of £70 + per hour that the ins company just goes for the cheapest option. Another point i must make is that in order to recoup some of the money that has been paid out the insurance co will prefer to Catorgorise a car as Cat "C" or "D" so that it can be sold as Salvage and thus be repaired.If ins-cos were stopped from doing this the cost of insurance would sky rocket overnight. ie, they pay out £10,000 on a claim for a car, its put into Cat-C group and sold to a Salvage dealer for £3500 who sells it for £5000 to someone who repairs it.If it was Cat B (break for spares only) its value would likely only be £1000 ish.You can do your own sums and work out for yourselves which one the insurance co would rather do !!!
One last point and i know im gonna upset someone here but here goes. New cars are smothered in gimmicks that if you can drive you just dont bleedin need. ie traction control, reversing sensors & Cameras, self arming windscreen wipers and sunroofs that shut themselves if it rains.. All things that New-Car Snobs absolutely MUST HAVE.This is what is driving insurance costs up....In an accident some of these things are damaged ie rear camera £1000 on its own to supply and fit, you soon realise why the expense to repair even a lightly damaged car.
Next time you buy a car take someone who knows a bit about them , it doesnt need to be an AA expert to find things like thin paint on a front bumper. I once looked at a Vauxhall Astra in a Vauxhall main dealer and found that the front wing and drivers/back doors had been repaired and painted but NOT polished so you could see a Dry edge to the paint. I had a row with the salesman who strangely could not see the evidence of a repair even though i was pointing it out. Also the 2 front tyres were nearly bald on the inside edge . Remember that this was a 2 year old Network Q car.
Good luck with your case though.
Top lurking thereJust because a car is damaged in an accident it does not mean that it Cannot be repaired.It just means that because crap new cars are so complicated (read costly) to repair at main dealer rates of £70 + per hour that the ins company just goes for the cheapest option. Another point i must make is that in order to recoup some of the money that has been paid out the insurance co will prefer to Catorgorise a car as Cat "C" or "D" so that it can be sold as Salvage and thus be repaired.If ins-cos were stopped from doing this the cost of insurance would sky rocket overnight. ie, they pay out £10,000 on a claim for a car, its put into Cat-C group and sold to a Salvage dealer for £3500 who sells it for £5000 to someone who repairs it.If it was Cat B (break for spares only) its value would likely only be £1000 ish.You can do your own sums and work out for yourselves which one the insurance co would rather do !!!
One last point and i know im gonna upset someone here but here goes. New cars are smothered in gimmicks that if you can drive you just dont bleedin need. ie traction control, reversing sensors & Cameras, self arming windscreen wipers and sunroofs that shut themselves if it rains.. All things that New-Car Snobs absolutely MUST HAVE.This is what is driving insurance costs up....In an accident some of these things are damaged ie rear camera £1000 on its own to supply and fit, you soon realise why the expense to repair even a lightly damaged car.
Next time you buy a car take someone who knows a bit about them , it doesnt need to be an AA expert to find things like thin paint on a front bumper. I once looked at a Vauxhall Astra in a Vauxhall main dealer and found that the front wing and drivers/back doors had been repaired and painted but NOT polished so you could see a Dry edge to the paint. I had a row with the salesman who strangely could not see the evidence of a repair even though i was pointing it out. Also the 2 front tyres were nearly bald on the inside edge . Remember that this was a 2 year old Network Q car.
Good luck with your case though.
Hi
Many thanks for all your recent replies.
va1o - you are correct about the dealer.
I can now confirm that on Saturday they provided another low mileage ex-motability Candy White Scirocco, to the same spec. After a more vigorous showroom examination it appears to be perfectly 'straight' and certainly drives better, engine sounds better and there are no internal rattles.
So, we have now had a satisfactory conclusion to this matter. I will obviously contact the previous owner of the replacement car to ascertain why it was sold - hopefully not for the same reason
Everyone should be very cautious of buying low mileage cars - they might not be what they seem to be.
Alan
Many thanks for all your recent replies.
va1o - you are correct about the dealer.
I can now confirm that on Saturday they provided another low mileage ex-motability Candy White Scirocco, to the same spec. After a more vigorous showroom examination it appears to be perfectly 'straight' and certainly drives better, engine sounds better and there are no internal rattles.
So, we have now had a satisfactory conclusion to this matter. I will obviously contact the previous owner of the replacement car to ascertain why it was sold - hopefully not for the same reason
Everyone should be very cautious of buying low mileage cars - they might not be what they seem to be.
Alan
gowmonster said:
question is though, what's happening to the borked car? nowt stopping some other poor sod getting it is there?
That's true, suspect they'll just send it through auction and it will end up for sale at another dealership or independent. As I said before most people will just assume its Ok been a HPI clear 12-plate 
alanSC said:
Everyone should be very cautious of buying low mileage cars - they might not be what they seem to be.
That is actually good advice. May of these cars are ex hire cars and these companies tend to be only third party so will repair cheaply. I also know people who have had a knock in a hire car and instead of getting stung on return got it repaired themselves.Found this thread when searching for stuff about classic Sciroccos - shocking stuff.
Wouldn't normally bump threads this old but a quick Google of the registration number reveals it was up for sale at a Ford main dealer in Grimsby for £14,990 at some point obviously after the OP rejected it.
Wouldn't normally bump threads this old but a quick Google of the registration number reveals it was up for sale at a Ford main dealer in Grimsby for £14,990 at some point obviously after the OP rejected it.
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