2013 Ferrari FF
Discussion
Mark-ri571 said:
Aye, keeping a close eye on it (not because I want another!). The big advantage it has over mine is mileage, the spec is missing a couple of bits but to be honest - I don't think I've seen a badly specced FF yet, they're all fantastic. We'll see how valuable the extra 20k miles are, or whether this thread has put everyone off an FF for now 
Leithen said:
There a question about the disc wear on the CC car - unusual?
I saw that and I'm not sure what it's based on? I skimmed through all the photos (which is more research than I did for the one I bought 
) and couldn't see anything out of the ordinary. In theory the visual signs of wear on a CCB is that the surface stops being glassy and smooth, but I've never had a worn one in my hands to really see the difference. It's hard to tell from photos.
At 20k miles, worn CCBs would be very unusual. In fact, it would be unusual right up until 80-100k AFAIK. What tends to get them much sooner than that is trackday use, damage (mishandling, smacking with tools, etc), chemical damage (aggressive wheel cleaners) or of course... the bolts breaking/seizing/expanding.
Fonzey said:
Feirny said:
When’s the blyton evening session in it then?
I'd love to track this car, just for a laugh if I ever have a last minute Lotus breakdown or whatever. The FF is clearly not a track car, but I reckon for some gentle short sessions it would be a hoot.Fonzey said:
Leithen said:
There a question about the disc wear on the CC car - unusual?
I saw that and I'm not sure what it's based on? I skimmed through all the photos (which is more research than I did for the one I bought ) and couldn't see anything out of the ordinary. In theory the visual signs of wear on a CCB is that the surface stops being glassy and smooth, but I've never had a worn one in my hands to really see the difference. It's hard to tell from photos.
At 20k miles, worn CCBs would be very unusual. In fact, it would be unusual right up until 80-100k AFAIK. What tends to get them much sooner than that is trackday use, damage (mishandling, smacking with tools, etc), chemical damage (aggressive wheel cleaners) or of course... the bolts breaking/seizing/expanding.
Leithen said:
The MOT (pic 165/166) has the front and rear disc measurements and lists fronts at 67% worn and rears at 11% worn.
Ah yeah. The onboard computer has an algorithm to calculate a best guess on how worn the discs are. It can trigger a warning light and is based on how many braking events you've done, how much the stability system has intervened, etc.
There are a fair few documented cases online of people getting this warning light and having the discs inspected to find they're absolutely fine. Problem then is, what do you do with the algorithm? If you just reset it back to the start - it's never going to be accurate ever again.
Honestly it sounds like a dumb idea to me. It holds you hostage and must make you feel like slapping brand new discs on for no good reason if it does go off.
The 165/166 pic even if accurate I wouldn't consider to be badly worn. 11% worn is nothing, so forget the rears - and even if the front measurement is accurate you could still get another 10 years out of them of average mileage...
Fonzey said:
Aye, keeping a close eye on it (not because I want another!). The big advantage it has over mine is mileage, the spec is missing a couple of bits but to be honest - I don't think I've seen a badly specced FF yet, they're all fantastic. We'll see how valuable the extra 20k miles are, or whether this thread has put everyone off an FF for now
Surely a matching pair of FF’s a good idea. Best ask Mrs Fonzey if she’d like one. Fonzey said:
Leithen said:
The MOT (pic 165/166) has the front and rear disc measurements and lists fronts at 67% worn and rears at 11% worn.
Ah yeah. The onboard computer has an algorithm to calculate a best guess on how worn the discs are. It can trigger a warning light and is based on how many braking events you've done, how much the stability system has intervened, etc.
There are a fair few documented cases online of people getting this warning light and having the discs inspected to find they're absolutely fine. Problem then is, what do you do with the algorithm? If you just reset it back to the start - it's never going to be accurate ever again.
Honestly it sounds like a dumb idea to me. It holds you hostage and must make you feel like slapping brand new discs on for no good reason if it does go off.
The 165/166 pic even if accurate I wouldn't consider to be badly worn. 11% worn is nothing, so forget the rears - and even if the front measurement is accurate you could still get another 10 years out of them of average mileage...
Must resist, must resist…
Fonzey said:
Austin_Metro said:
Surely a matching pair of FF’s a good idea. Best ask Mrs Fonzey if she’d like one.
A donor car is looking like the easiest way to get these brake bolts sortedwolfracesonic said:
…and even if the brake bolts are shot on the donor car and you have to buy two sets, you’ll no doubt get them cheaper due to economies of scale, winner winner chicken dinner
I never even thought of it that way. Having two V12's never sounded so sensible.As part of the plan to lightly restore the bodywork, I'd had the car booked in for a proper correction detail almost as soon as I collected it! The plan was to get the car painted, leave it a month or so to 'gas out' or whatever they call it, then get cracking with a good ceramic coat.
That all went to plan, except a slight issue with the paintwork has thrown the schedule off a bit. The car will actually be going back in for a bit more paint sometime in the coming months, I'll detail this later once the chapter has concluded but the bodyshop have been great sports are onboard with me to get the car looking as good as possible. For that reason, spending 3 days and a fair few quid on fancy detailing products is a bit premature for now.
With a booking still in place with the detailer, we wanted to do *something* so we agreed a plan to get the freshly painted wheels ceramic coated along with the calipers, and get the interior all spruced up and leather treated. The exterior would get a light touch chemical decontamination and then a cheat-glaze applied to give it a bit of short term zing whilst I'm blasting around from pub to pub prior to the proper correction.
The car absolutely needs a good correction, and it will benefit loads. I think it emotionally damaged the detailer a bit to ask him to literally gloss over it
I entrusted Blaine @ Sharp Eye Detail to work with me on the FF. He has a background in painting and has transitioned to detailing so I leaned on his opinions and judgement when evaluating the cars paint both before and after respray.
After a couple of days away, I collected the car and was thrilled with the results. He took and sent almost 60 photos, so here are a few samples:
The CCBs barely produce any dust at all, so the ceramic coating is maybe overkill here - but the barrels of the wheels are very difficult to reach effectively when mounted to the car so this will hopefully give me half a chance of keeping them nice and clean with minimal contact.
The interior was scrubbed down and treated. I've commented a few times that the leather had worn great, and it has - but it did have that inevitable shine in a couple of places from high traffic. Particularly the steering wheel which has now got much of its original satin sheen back.
The paintwork glaze is a cheat product, it fills and distracts from the worst of the swirls and gives you a nice pop in photos for a few days - but it's a good effort:reward ratio when you aren't doing a proper correction and will give me something to grin at for a few days.
Car looks (and smells!) fantastic. Was covered in greasy 3 year old handprints within 10mins of being home but hey ho.
Fonzey said:
Feirny said:
When’s the blyton evening session in it then?
I'd love to track this car, just for a laugh if I ever have a last minute Lotus breakdown or whatever. The FF is clearly not a track car, but I reckon for some gentle short sessions it would be a hoot.It is a heavy car, but surprisingly nimble for its weight
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