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Tuesday 14th January 2014
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Storer said:
Andy

Now my build is pretty much on hold for a few months we need you to keep the posts coming to feed the interest on here. There is no doubt your fabrication skills exceed mine (and probably most other readers) so we are watching and learning.

Paul
Thanks for the comments Paul but like you I have a few other jobs in hand, all project car related. I have started work building the English wheel and this should keep me busy for the next month and then I can start looking at reshaping the roof profile.

Andy



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Tuesday 14th January 2014
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amccan10 said:
Just found this thread recently, read it from start to finish over the last few days. Awesome work. I look forward to seeing the progression.
Many thanks Andy

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Thursday 16th January 2014
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Storer said:
Oooooh, an English wheel build.

Please post details of the build as I will need one eventually and most of the old Edwards one's I have seen are big money (£3500). I was thinking of making one if I haven't found a cheap Edwards by the time I need it.


Paul
If you are interested Paul then I will but up some pictures of the wheel build. Andy

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Thursday 16th January 2014
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fatbutt said:
English wheels are still very popular over here in the US due to the custom car scene. You can get the top end brands for $2500. Cheap stuff from Harbor Freight is half that.

http://www.englishwheels.net/15.html
Building the frame and adjuster is straightforward but I have treated myself to a set of hoosier profiles. Andy

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Saturday 26th April 2014
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Well the plan was to build the e wheel and then finish off the door inner panel and then continue with the wire buck/roof. But once I had finished the e wheel I wanted to have a go so had a bash at the bonnet cowling.









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Sunday 27th April 2014
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LouD86 said:
The English Wheel, such beauty! And your pretty handy on it too by the looks of things. Nice to see this has started again!
Thanks it’s good to get back on with the car. Andy

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Sunday 27th April 2014
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[quote=tbc]Front end has a bit of 612 Scaglietti look to it



If it ends up looking anything like that I will be a happy man.

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Sunday 27th April 2014
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Storer said:
That English Wheel looks a very professional build.

How did you come up with the design?


Paul
The frame stiffness, panel size to be made and space to work the panel are all important parameters. The frame stiffness index values were obtained using Richard Ferguson spreadsheet. The adjuster is based upon Kerry Pinkerton design (Imperial Wheeling Machines). I wanted a removal lower arm so I could change the angle if required or the wheel size. I have included a few more pictures.

Andy





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Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Storer said:
Again, impressive engineering and research.

I am curious as to why modern wheeling machines are designed differently to the older machines where the top wheel is carried on a shaft that runs to the rear of the arc of the frame (e.g. F W Edwards)?

Clearly it would require substantial shaft strength and a good large bearing but does it have a design value when using the wheel?

I know our forefathers were inclined to over engineer everything, but is the design a result of not being able to arc weld?


Paul
Hi Paul, at the end of the day it’s the force you can apply the metal to be formed. Lots of fabricated (cheap) wheels have soft frames so the metal is slow to form (think of the frame as a big spring). You also have to consider whether to use contact flats or true radius anvils and what width and diameter you will use. By building your own machine you can dictate your own specification. My wheel has a 850mm throat which mean I can form a panel of 1600mm and that big if it’s just you.
Andy


Edited by No Sound on Tuesday 29th April 21:58

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Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Storer said:
Hi Andy

I like the idea of using a wheeling machine from the same era as the chassis or engine and they seem to make good investments too (being an old git I need to think about these things).

If I do end up making one it is bound to be over engineered and bloo*y heavy. An example is my welding table. 2m x 1m and over 0.5 tonnes in weight!!!!

Probably not look as good as yours though.


Paul
Ok from the same era, so I now expect Thor to be built from 1050H14 ally using gas to weld the panel sections. Don’t even think of using Tig or Mig.

Andy

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Saturday 24th May 2014
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Well its back to the plan. Since I needed to make a few end panels the same shape for the door frames I decided to make a jig out 8mm flat bar. I used 1.2 mm steel for the entire inner frame work/panels. The only job left is to weld the frame to the cross members.









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Monday 26th May 2014
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Lefty said:
Inspirational work, seriously. Looking forward to seeing the finished product! Do you have an ETA?
Cheers Lefty, no ETA date. Andy

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Friday 30th May 2014
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Kev T360 said:
We need more! This is brilliant!
Cheers, working on it. Andy

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Friday 30th May 2014
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creationracing said:
Any more on this?
No, its up to date for now. Andy

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Sunday 15th June 2014
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Because of the height/location of the bulk head the roof angle ended up wrong. I made up a couple of jigs, the one made of angle was to help hold the shape of the roof before cutting and during welding and the MDF one was to form the new shape at the back of the roof.








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Thursday 19th June 2014
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FWDRacer said:
What vehicle has donated the screen and A-posts? This is a brill project.
Thanks, HughG is correct XJS



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Thursday 19th June 2014
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HughG said:
A Jag XJS iirc. Great work as well OP.
Thanks HughG. Andy

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Thursday 19th June 2014
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WokkaWokka said:
This is brilliant. Great work OP!
Cheers Andy

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Thursday 19th June 2014
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creationracing said:
I'm really enjoying this. And am very much in awe of the skills.
Thanks, a picture with the tail gate in position. Andy



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Friday 20th June 2014
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Yes its a TT MK1, poor thing not going to like the angle grinder.