Discussion
MC Bodge said:
J4CKO said:
its just getting chance to actually use the performance as everytime you get some straight road a Qashqai appears doing 43 mph, or a white van in the right hand lane on an otherwise empty road.
It is a car I will just take out to drive for the sake of it.
I can understand why you would like the Fiesta more. Than the BMW. It is a car I will just take out to drive for the sake of it.
You do really need to go out early and to drive on roads with good visibility to avoid endangering people walking, riding horses, riding bikes etc.
I found that riding motorbikes, the overtaking ability was useful (and that is available from a fairly modest bike), but beyond that a lot of restraint was required.
cerb4.5lee said:
MC Bodge said:
Modern cars typically have bigger, better vented, brakes, which is a better starting point.
I was thinking that myself to be fair(I thought that the brakes in the ST would be good as standard). BMW were still struggling in the brake department though with the E92 M3 I had(made from 2007 to 2013). They were really poor in that for me(they wilted the minute you used them hard), but the F82 M4(made from 2014 to 2020) I have now though has definitely improved in the brakes department for sure. The favourite brakes I've had were on the Cerbera and that had AP Racing brakes on it as standard, but that didn't have that much weight to stop either to be fair though.
The brakes are pretty decent but do need to think that 300 bhp will more quickly get the car to a higher speed and will need more stopping power and it does make it more likely to over stress the brakes. I suspect the way I drive on the road they will be ok, especially as by and large you end up stuck behind something which gives them chance to cool but I reckon a lap or two on track and they would be struggling.
Its easy to decide you need a big brake kit when you are looking at worn disks and pads, plus old fluid when really OEM or better pads/disks/fluid at the standard size is enough.
mooseracer said:
Proper OEM (not Motorcraft) disks and some decent pads work really well on the Fiesta.
No *need* for BBK unless doing a lot of track work.
Yeah, seems to be the consensus, will get some ordered in the next week or two.No *need* for BBK unless doing a lot of track work.
Was watching some YT videos on it, Jamie from Officially Gassed had one and went to 302 bhp and then 360 odd, so a good comparison.
First one, at 302,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jZXPavwDY
Then at 363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ypdHGZr0A
It seems to go from fast and fairly composed to a bit scrabbly and unruly, which could be fun but I think an LSD would be essential at that power.
cerb4.5lee said:
J4CKO said:
Was watching some YT videos on it, Jamie from Officially Gassed had one and went to 302 bhp and then 360 odd, so a good comparison.
First one, at 302,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jZXPavwDY
Then at 363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ypdHGZr0A
It seems to go from fast and fairly composed to a bit scrabbly and unruly, which could be fun but I think an LSD would be essential at that power.
I enjoyed those vids and I've never watched him before. It definitely looks like great fun in either tune I reckon. First one, at 302,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jZXPavwDY
Then at 363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ypdHGZr0A
It seems to go from fast and fairly composed to a bit scrabbly and unruly, which could be fun but I think an LSD would be essential at that power.
Looks like we have a 2014 Golf Diesel incoming for the youngest offspring, so can make the Fiesta more "Focused", I don't mean like a Focus
just mean more hardcore.MC Bodge said:
It would be interesting to know how similar the 4 cylinder Fiesta ST is to the 1.5/1.6 4 cylinder engine in the Mondeo/Focus/Kuga.
The 160hp 1.5 in my Mondeo is not its greatest asset. I'm sure that there is a good engine, with more low rpm grunt, and throttle response in there somewhere, hidden behind emissions testing mapping and very long gearing.
"1.5 L The 160hp 1.5 in my Mondeo is not its greatest asset. I'm sure that there is a good engine, with more low rpm grunt, and throttle response in there somewhere, hidden behind emissions testing mapping and very long gearing.
A 1.5 L version of the EcoBoost engine family was first unveiled in the 2014 Ford Fusion as a downsized version of the 1.6 L EcoBoost engine.[31] The downsized displacement is a result of Chinese vehicle tax regulations which tax vehicles with engine displacements of 1.5 L or less at lower rates. The 1.5 L EcoBoost adds new technology compared to the 1.6 L on which it is based, including an integrated exhaust manifold and a computer-controlled water pump clutch to decrease warm up time. In the 2015 Fusion, the engine produces 181 hp (135 kW; 184 PS) and 185 lb ft ."
Its a variation, the chap at Collins was telling me the 1.5 was developed for sale mainly in China as they have a higher tax rate over 1.5 litres, even the 1.6 in a Fiesta feels pegged back.
I believe the 1.5 can be remapped to around 200 bhp but there doesnt seem to be the massive tuning scene around them like the 1.6.
RC1807 said:
1.5 is i3
1.6 is i4
There is a 1.5 3 cyl (Dragon) engine which is the one in the new, there is also a 1.5 4 which has been used in the Mondeo, which is a downsized version of the 4 cyl 1.6 in the older Fiesta ST. Thats what MC Bodge has in his Mondeo, they did for a time fit a 3 cylinder (Fox) 1.0 engine to the Mondeo as well.1.6 is i4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine...
Its all a bit confusing.
RC1807 said:
Aha!
I sit corrected.
Lol, they stuck the ST engine pretty much as is in Various Volvos as well.I sit corrected.
Had a drive in it last night as it was going dark, am getting the tuning done but cant say it felt lacking at all, feels faster than my BMW, even though I know its not. Needs to be in its natural habitat which is country roads.
Its strange to think that 240 bhp is a bit meh these days, but I think we have got blasé with all the mega powered stuff, its still a fair amount of power in a light car, 36 more than an original Sierra Cosworth and possibly a smidge lighter.
Certainly felt pretty enjoyable.
Yeah, it doesnt matter how fast it is/isnt in numbers terms, or what cars it can or cant "Beat", that it is enjoyable for a blast now and again and doesn't get on my tits too much the rest of the time when doing the work of a daily driver, which it doesnt, bit jiggly on occasion but I can live with that as don't want floaty mc floatface back. Its funny me trying to drive the wife without unnecessary jiggling and her making noises if it does like she is in Big Foot landing from a massive ramp
Just over two weeks until its second trip to Collins. Just pricing disks and pads with a view to ordering, then I need to stop for a bit !
Just over two weeks until its second trip to Collins. Just pricing disks and pads with a view to ordering, then I need to stop for a bit !
Changed from Admiral for my insurance on this as Admiral wont cover it beyond a 25% power increase, Adrian S Flux did it for £396 with all the current and next weeks mods declared. Bit of a palaver as was on Multi Car with the wife but would only be one car, so cant have Multi Car and had to cancel hers and start a new policy, though hers hadnt started yet as it was scheduled from the 29th to go from LVE onto Admiral.
All three insurers were pretty good to be fair and under £400 for heavily modified car, all set now for the upgrade next week.
All three insurers were pretty good to be fair and under £400 for heavily modified car, all set now for the upgrade next week.
Colonel D said:
I love this thread, the opposite of what most people would do. Sell an M140i to fund a 240+ bhp Fiesta, and it sounds like a hell of a lot of fun. Good to see some break upgrades too. What's next on the ever growing list of things to do?
Yeah, the BMW never really hit the spot and all through the ownership used to relish nicking this, probably wouldnt done it unless i had the ST already there and had built an appreciation of it.Its going in next Friday, for either Collins CP4 or CP5, so either 300 or 340 ish bhp, will drive their demo and see if it suits at CP5 or a bit much.
These will be going on soon, plus new pads and fluid, prob do them Sunday if the weathers ok. Not sure how good they are but they should look cool
they are Borg and Beck and have Mintex pads to go in, both decent brands, if it struggles would perhaps need to go for something else but these should be enough for road use.
Then would be suspension, it has lowering springs at the moment but might go for a matched Bilstein set and some poly bushes but will do some research.
Down the line, maybe an LSD, some track days etc.
I think 500 may be pushing it....
Will be going for the Stage 4, 270 turbo and around 300 bhp, still think it could handle more but I think over 300 it needs an lsd and the power delivery gets more top endy, Kaveney with the fully race prepped ST who has been through the process recommended that the 270 is probably ideal for the road, he said he has sticky tyres and an LSD and it works well on track but less so on road.
Just had a BMW diesel pull away form it, M sporty something, so its not quick enough though there was some circumspection on my part as had just fitted the new brakes and they still had that push bike in the rain with blocks of wood instead of brake blocks feeling, but it pulled away a bit, no badges but fook me those things shift.
The old ones looked like this at the front,
Fitted this,
Only joking, that was yesterdays task.
Did a bit of cleaning whilst in there, cleaning the back of the wheels etc.
Now smells of hot brakes round here for some reason....
Will be going for the Stage 4, 270 turbo and around 300 bhp, still think it could handle more but I think over 300 it needs an lsd and the power delivery gets more top endy, Kaveney with the fully race prepped ST who has been through the process recommended that the 270 is probably ideal for the road, he said he has sticky tyres and an LSD and it works well on track but less so on road.
Just had a BMW diesel pull away form it, M sporty something, so its not quick enough though there was some circumspection on my part as had just fitted the new brakes and they still had that push bike in the rain with blocks of wood instead of brake blocks feeling, but it pulled away a bit, no badges but fook me those things shift.
The old ones looked like this at the front,
Fitted this,
Only joking, that was yesterdays task.
Did a bit of cleaning whilst in there, cleaning the back of the wheels etc.
Now smells of hot brakes round here for some reason....
Edited by J4CKO on Sunday 20th June 19:33
Kaveney said:
It will be worth the wait and like you have said collins are a very good outfit and they will make sure it is correct before they will let it leave .
Yeah, not concerned, just a bit of a disappointment after the anticipation but will survive.J4CKO said:
Well, went to pick it up from the CP4 tuning and had to leave it with them as they were struggling to get it boost to the correct value.
Very apologetic, thy are a class act Collins so no worries, these things happen.
Very apologetic, thy are a class act Collins so no worries, these things happen.
They are very meticulous and it has to be bang on.
In other news, we now have a Mk7 Golf 1.6 diesel DSG, bought it from our next door neighbours as his mum sadly died and her car was for sale. Had been sat for a year so needed a battery and an MOT which it goes in for tomorrow.
We got a great deal on it as it has a few knocks and scuffs but the good bit is its only done 23k, drives really well and the DSG box works well with the engine. Its not fast but its quick enough, very comfy and should cost very little to run. Came on four brand new Yokohama tyres as well, like new inside (less so outside)
Hopefully can pick my ST up Monday, didnt want to hang round any longer and felt like the tech needed time to ponder, nothing worse than people peering over your shoulder, he was working hard trying all sorts.
Collins rang having spent all morning diagnosing the issue, traced back to a faulty MAP sensor, not sure why it was ok on CP2E and failed when the new turbo went on but hey ho, they have had two techs on it all morning and an electrician checked it out so a lot of work charging me £120 for the diagnosis and MAP sensor so cant complain,
They also said my exhaust is a problem, it has a Mountune one which is only a 2.5 inch bore so has a step down after the cat which was causing some issues so I said to fit a mongoose one which is on offer at £419 at the moment.
Will pick it up after work on Monday.
They also said my exhaust is a problem, it has a Mountune one which is only a 2.5 inch bore so has a step down after the cat which was causing some issues so I said to fit a mongoose one which is on offer at £419 at the moment.
Will pick it up after work on Monday.
Had too much money, maybe, not now !
Am into this for 13 ish grand I expect by now, but sold the BMW for 16 and had saved quite a bit for an M4.
So, am still ahead, ish. If with a car that if I sold it would command six grand.
I am 50, never been able to do stuff like this really so there is a point you realise it isn't dress rehearsal, so just crack on and do what makes you happy if you enjoy it and can afford it.
Am into this for 13 ish grand I expect by now, but sold the BMW for 16 and had saved quite a bit for an M4.
So, am still ahead, ish. If with a car that if I sold it would command six grand.
I am 50, never been able to do stuff like this really so there is a point you realise it isn't dress rehearsal, so just crack on and do what makes you happy if you enjoy it and can afford it.
Oh my god, I have created a monster.....
Only had a 12 mile drive back but by god it shifts, and I have only got to sort of 6 and a bit thousand before backing off, the chap at Collins said it will rev to 7500 now.
The CP2E was more of the same, which makes sense as it was the same turbo, but this is a different ball game entirely, it just pulls and pulls.
Its quite noisy with the mongoose exhaust, but I did have all the old exhaust and other bits clanking about and always noisier with the seats down. It feels more mechanical, lost some refinement, get some nice natural sounding pops, not all the time and not contrived like a "Pops and Bangs" map.
Typical though its been dry for weeks, the minute I get this done it pisses down.
The tech at Collins said he reckons it was about 320 bhp based on the airflow figures he was seeing, which seems plausible based on the butt dyno, it seems to go harder than the M135i now but its so different being FWD, noisy, manual and highly tuned, it may not be but it gave me a similar feeling to an old 911 Turbo, 320 bhp in 1200 ish kilos will do that I guess.
In the dry bits traction isnt an issue from what I could see, in the wet, err.....
Despite that, it said 38 mpg on the way back stuck behind rush hour traffic.
All in all pleased, its sat there looking a bit menacing (as menacing as a Fiesta gets...) and stinking of burning oil (oily finger prints), exhaust paste and hot brakes.
Collins have really impressed me, not cheap to do this (in my frame of reference, not Pete 2 manycars) but they have a good reputation for a reason.
Only had a 12 mile drive back but by god it shifts, and I have only got to sort of 6 and a bit thousand before backing off, the chap at Collins said it will rev to 7500 now.
The CP2E was more of the same, which makes sense as it was the same turbo, but this is a different ball game entirely, it just pulls and pulls.
Its quite noisy with the mongoose exhaust, but I did have all the old exhaust and other bits clanking about and always noisier with the seats down. It feels more mechanical, lost some refinement, get some nice natural sounding pops, not all the time and not contrived like a "Pops and Bangs" map.
Typical though its been dry for weeks, the minute I get this done it pisses down.
The tech at Collins said he reckons it was about 320 bhp based on the airflow figures he was seeing, which seems plausible based on the butt dyno, it seems to go harder than the M135i now but its so different being FWD, noisy, manual and highly tuned, it may not be but it gave me a similar feeling to an old 911 Turbo, 320 bhp in 1200 ish kilos will do that I guess.
In the dry bits traction isnt an issue from what I could see, in the wet, err.....
Despite that, it said 38 mpg on the way back stuck behind rush hour traffic.
All in all pleased, its sat there looking a bit menacing (as menacing as a Fiesta gets...) and stinking of burning oil (oily finger prints), exhaust paste and hot brakes.
Collins have really impressed me, not cheap to do this (in my frame of reference, not Pete 2 manycars) but they have a good reputation for a reason.
MC Bodge said:
That sounds as if it is a beast!
It's amazing what can be done with such a small road engine.
Do you need to use super unleaded fuel?
Yeah, it needs the good stuff, does on CP2.It's amazing what can be done with such a small road engine.
J4CKO said:
Despite that, it said 38 mpg on the way back stuck behind rush hour traffic.
I wonder how accurate that is post-changes?Do you need to use super unleaded fuel?
Sold my old exhaust this evening, to a chap on the Fiesta ST Facebook group, turns out I went right through school with him, so had a good chat, so that and the weather put paid to any more driving it.
I think the fuel comp will still be similarly optimistic as it was before, think its based on fuel flow, and at the end of the days its 1200 ish kilos with a 4 cyl turbo, mapped at part throttle to be economical, or t least just meter out enough fuel to run the engine cleanly as near to stoich as possible. Its not like old twin carbs hosing fuel in on a best guess/might use it basis.
Its at bigger throttle openings when it starts hosing it in.
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