Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
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WBAC offered 11k (as a runner). Looking around, the cheapest on Auto trader with 20k more miles is 14k, I saw one on Facebook for 13.5k, that seems to be the bottom of the market. Neither are as nice spec as mine.
With that considered, I'm a bit shocked everyone seems to think I've paid too much, I could have taken it for a supplied and fitted 3.5k ebay refurb engine and it'd owe me 11.5k.
With that considered, I'm a bit shocked everyone seems to think I've paid too much, I could have taken it for a supplied and fitted 3.5k ebay refurb engine and it'd owe me 11.5k.
Escy said:
WBAC offered 11k (as a runner). Looking around, the cheapest on Auto trader with 20k more miles is 14k, I saw one on Facebook for 13.5k, that seems to be the bottom of the market. Neither are as nice spec as mine.
With that considered, I'm a bit shocked everyone seems to think I've paid too much, I could have taken it for a supplied and fitted 3.5k ebay refurb engine and it'd owe me 11.5k.
The people who think you've paid too much probably don't appreciate your almost limitless capacity for pain and mechanical anguish! Nobody else in their right-mind would contemplate that kind of cost because the emotional toll on top makes it better value to spend the £14k. With that considered, I'm a bit shocked everyone seems to think I've paid too much, I could have taken it for a supplied and fitted 3.5k ebay refurb engine and it'd owe me 11.5k.
But they don't know you like we know you. You've spend the £8k in order to GET the pain and anguish for free.
Seriously though, ignore those nagging voices (on PH and in your head) and get at it - it's already amazing (free socket wrench!) and it can only get better from here.
Escy said:
WBAC offered 11k (as a runner). Looking around, the cheapest on Auto trader with 20k more miles is 14k, I saw one on Facebook for 13.5k, that seems to be the bottom of the market. Neither are as nice spec as mine.
With that considered, I'm a bit shocked everyone seems to think I've paid too much, I could have taken it for a supplied and fitted 3.5k ebay refurb engine and it'd owe me 11.5k.
I'm with you on this, given your skills that we've all seen before it's a good financial choice for you to take this on imo.With that considered, I'm a bit shocked everyone seems to think I've paid too much, I could have taken it for a supplied and fitted 3.5k ebay refurb engine and it'd owe me 11.5k.
Escy said:
WBAC offered 11k (as a runner). Looking around, the cheapest on Auto trader with 20k more miles is 14k, I saw one on Facebook for 13.5k, that seems to be the bottom of the market. Neither are as nice spec as mine.
With that considered, I'm a bit shocked everyone seems to think I've paid too much, I could have taken it for a supplied and fitted 3.5k ebay refurb engine and it'd owe me 11.5k.
I didn't think you'd paid too much - if it's then worth, say, 11-14k it's not a bad idea. Downside is you're finding other things that need doing...With that considered, I'm a bit shocked everyone seems to think I've paid too much, I could have taken it for a supplied and fitted 3.5k ebay refurb engine and it'd owe me 11.5k.
Yeah, there's always something else. I've bought plenty of non runners over the years, it's rare to find a car that's only got the one problem that you are buying it with. I once bought an Alfa 156 Selespeed with the cambelt snapped, fixed it only to discover the gearbox was playing up. I also bought an Alfa 147, (manual this time so I learnt a lesson), again snapped cambelt. Fixed it, went to drive it and no clutch. Turns out when the belt snapped they didn't take it out of gear and put the clutch in like any normal person would.
If the broken upright is the worst of it the unexpected issues I'll consider myself lucky.
If the broken upright is the worst of it the unexpected issues I'll consider myself lucky.
I pulled the engine out last night. Usually I'd pull the whole front end off, lift the engine a bit and roll the car backwards out of the way. but the engine bay is quite roomy so my plan was to lift it up and slide it across on the roof beam out of the way.
It was a bit taller than it looked in the car once I'd lifted it clear.
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To try and make enough space I have to take the wheels off and lower it right down.
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Even then it was touch and go, there was only a few mm clearance from the wing.
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It's out.
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The Jag is a pretty big car so I've not got much space to work on this engine.
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It was a bit taller than it looked in the car once I'd lifted it clear.
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To try and make enough space I have to take the wheels off and lower it right down.
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Even then it was touch and go, there was only a few mm clearance from the wing.
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It's out.
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The Jag is a pretty big car so I've not got much space to work on this engine.
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The rear crank seal was leaking, seems crazy he had it all apart and didn't change it, or if he did, he got it wrong.
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There's a special tool for the crankshaft seal which is quite expensive but I've seen what happens if you don't have it so I bought one. I also bought the correct timing tools for the engine.
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I pulled the sump off, there was bearing material in it. Cylinder number 4 is the one that's knocking.
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It's worn away the conrod cap, looks like he drove it for a while knocking, the bearing shells are totally gone.
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This is where I'm at now. I need to strip the engine further to check for any other damage, assuming there is not, there's are 2 options I'm thinking of, take it to a local engine builder and see if it can be re-ground or buy an aftermarket crankshaft, they are £450 (£630 with the bearings). A re-grind would be a few weeks as they are shut for Christmas which would slow my progress down.
Fixing the problem is one thing but knowing the cause and working out if it's related to the first failure is another. If anyone wants to chime in with theory's, please do. It's a different failure than last time. It could have been assembly error, he re-used the conrod bolts, one could have been out of spec and caused the failure. He could have been supplied the wrong size bearings and the tolerances were wrong.
IMG_20221221_175929243
There's a special tool for the crankshaft seal which is quite expensive but I've seen what happens if you don't have it so I bought one. I also bought the correct timing tools for the engine.
IMG_20221221_175938674
I pulled the sump off, there was bearing material in it. Cylinder number 4 is the one that's knocking.
IMG_20221222_115650896_HDR
It's worn away the conrod cap, looks like he drove it for a while knocking, the bearing shells are totally gone.
IMG_20221222_115632469
This is where I'm at now. I need to strip the engine further to check for any other damage, assuming there is not, there's are 2 options I'm thinking of, take it to a local engine builder and see if it can be re-ground or buy an aftermarket crankshaft, they are £450 (£630 with the bearings). A re-grind would be a few weeks as they are shut for Christmas which would slow my progress down.
Fixing the problem is one thing but knowing the cause and working out if it's related to the first failure is another. If anyone wants to chime in with theory's, please do. It's a different failure than last time. It could have been assembly error, he re-used the conrod bolts, one could have been out of spec and caused the failure. He could have been supplied the wrong size bearings and the tolerances were wrong.
blue_haddock said:
Google Ingenium engine fault and you will see loads of cases such as this, as far as i'm aware it effects evoque, velar, discovery and Sports plus the jaguar equivalents.
https://dieselheads.co.uk/our-engines/jaguar/jagua...
In terms of theories to explain this saga of destruction, the above link has quite a few plausible-sounding ones. Seems the turbocharger can either be a cause or a consequence of wrecking the rest of the engine.https://dieselheads.co.uk/our-engines/jaguar/jagua...
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