2013 Ferrari FF
Discussion
hermes said:
Given the cost, a second or even third opinion on the discs doesn’t sound like a bad idea?
Assuming they are in fact almost 100% worn, how long have they lasted, and how long are they advertised to last?
Same goes for exploring a steelies option, but presumably there’s a good chance that won’t end up being straightforward!
A second opinion probably wise yes, but if what they say is correct and that the material is visually delaminating away from itself then it's only really going to go one way.Assuming they are in fact almost 100% worn, how long have they lasted, and how long are they advertised to last?
Same goes for exploring a steelies option, but presumably there’s a good chance that won’t end up being straightforward!
Carbon Ceramics aren't supposed to 'wear' as such, in that their thickness should never really change. What happens though is that the composite starts degrading, I don't know the science - but if mistreated at all then the resin can begin to fail. This is measured by weighing them and even checking density with expensive gadgets, and presumably only main dealers have this sort of equipment readily available.
If looked after, with no mishandling or mishaps then there's no reason why the disc material couldn't last 100k+, and assuming these are originals - then they've just done 40. What I believe has happened, is that something in life has caused them to delaminate and this will be tipping the scales for the wear rate into the 98% category.
Techno9000 said:
Absolutely yes, these guys have been on my radar since bolt-gate. The way I'm feeling at the moment, I'd have Ferrari change my discs and ask to keep the originals - and send them off to rebrake out of interest. Worst case, they're non serviceable or they're very expensive to fix and it's cost me some postage, best case they can restore them for a cheap cheap price - then I either have some spares, or some as-new discs to sell on to try and recoup some cash.I need to have a proper chat with Ferrari tomorrow to see whether my warranty can be extended if I leave the discs as is, if only for a short term investigation period.
I'm already talking myself into just paying the money though, and donating my discs/bolts to science.
NRG1976 said:
Was the noise the wheel bearing?
I hope so, as do Ferrari - but since I wasn't able to convincingly demonstrate it I really won't know until I collect the car.Sounds daft because it's unrelated, but if I payed to get all the brakes sorted, extended the warranty for another year, etc - then found the noise is still there on collection day, I'll be absolutely gutted.
I feel like I want to test the car first on its dead brakes just to feel better about that!
NRG1976 said:
Hopefully it is that, earlier on the thread my instinct suggested wheel bearing but it can be so hard to pinpoint.
Yeah I'd "ruled out" the obvious wheel bearing traits. The wheel had no play when the car was jacked up, and the noise didn't seem to get better or worse with lateral load applied - but ultimately it was never truly off the list of possibilities!Court_S said:
Good news on the warranty, less so on the discs….that’s a chunk of cash for sure.
Have you decided if you’re going to get a second or this opinion?
Yes, as of this morning I've authorised the replacements. But I have talked to a few people outside of the dealer network to check I'm not getting the wool pulled over.Have you decided if you’re going to get a second or this opinion?
MTW said:
Loads of useful stuff
Good info. I agree on the conclusion that sustained use (track) is the most likely culprit and adds to my opinion that CC's are simply not fit for purpose and are a silly, silly trinket to have on a spec sheet and nothing more. Given the choice, I don't think I would ever spec a supercar with ceramic brakes going forward, as I'd very much like to use it on track!As for this particular car, I really don't believe it has seen any track work... though I can never rule it out. The previous owner had no real reason to lie about it, as I have every intention of taking this car on track myself and I would not be ashamed of it. These cars are also pretty rare, and I'm sure I'd have seen a picture or video of it by now had it been sliding round Anglesey or whatever. Other theories I can think of are that this car had an issue in the past with the previously discussed rusty bolts, and perhaps a second hand pair were fitted as a cost saving exercise. Who knows the history on those.
In any case, I've already emotionally moved on. I don't want to sound like a casual £7k bill is not a big deal for me, but ultimately I entered Ferrari ownership expecting some pretty big invoices along the way. The way I look at it, I've had 3-4k worth of unexpected fixes via the warranty, I'll have one of the biggest scare-factors dealt with on the car (rears confirmed at barely 30% worn), have a new found faith and confidence in the warranty - and I'm really just excited to get the car back now. If the noise is fixed, I'll just view it as £7k well spent, and get on with life.
catfood12 said:
Only caveat I guess is if there's chunks of the surface missing.
Unfortunately this. I've seen them, and there are indeed chunks (albeit small) missing. It sounds like this is the beginning of the end for the discs, whether I replace them now or just keep my eyes on them... eventually it needs doing, and the failure mode for carbon ceramics is not worth thinking about.There's been some great advice and thoughts here about the brakes, and I don't want to sound dismissive of that conversation - but ultimately going for OEM replacements just made the most sense.
Had I been replacing all corners, then going Surface Transforms makes sense and future proofs nicely.
Had this been a long termer track car for me, then steels makes the most sense.
For just replacing one axle, OEM was both the most cost effective and the most sensible.
I finally got the call last week to let me know the car was done, so with much apprehension I went over to the dealership on Saturday morning.
I found there was some sort of supercar owners club meet on at the dealership, so the place was rammed. I didn't have time to talk to the service dept. at all about the work, but the car was waiting all prepped out front. I'm sure she was just being polite, but the receptionist claimed they'd had a few approaches from people asking if it was for sale... imagine my anger when I found she didn't take any details!!
The car was actually parked right in front of the main doors when I first got there, which meant there was no hope of just leaving quietly. The cold start barked through the showroom like a machine of war, and probably gassed a few people out for good measure.
I was very nervous because I'd just dropped a lot of money on this dealership visit, and if the noise was still present it would have been really, really disappointing. If the noise was fixed, it would still be a lot of money - but progress, so we can rationalise that.
After poking around the showroom for a bit, I decided this was my new favourite Ferrari.
The facelifted FF (GTC4Lusso) out front gave me something to look at too. Has some nice styling upgrades on the outside, and a modernised infotainment as you'd expect - but still very, very similar cars.
Eventually I had to bite the bullet and leave, so I pootled out and headed for the dual carraigeway. Within minutes I was convinced the noise was indeed fixed. It sounds silly to put so much enjoyment of a car at risk because of a fairly mild noise, but having it go away has made such a massive difference to me. The whole thing now feels more robust and pleasant to drive.
Due to the overcomplicated logistics of collecting the car on Saturday morning, I had to drive home, collect the missus and daughter and then head back to rescue the Porsche courtesy car that I'd left abandoned at Ferrari. My Taycan is currently also broken, and despite the two dealers being right next door to each other - Porsche were absolutely hopeless in coordinating this a bit better for me. Hey ho.
This did mean making a day of it though, and we spent much of the day zipping around in the FF including a hateful walk round White Rose shopping centre.
On the way home, family in the courtesy Macan and me left to my own thoughts in the FF. It was getting very dark, and extremely cold but I set out for a scenic route home nonetheless.
An added benefit to the warranty work has been the replacement wishbones/bushes at the front. This has added a nice upgrade to the steering on this car, and has solved an insecurity I've had about it ever since replacing the tyres and fixing the initial handling foibles.
Ferrari's are known for very light and quick steering, and this car is no exception... but I couldn't gel with it properly. I always felt like I needed two bites of the cherry to find my steering angle on a fast turn-in, and I blamed it on the relative speed of the rack compared to the performance cars I'm used to driving. In hindsight I think this was due to an inaccuracy caused by the bushes.
The front of the car has never lacked grip, and even on the subzero roundabouts near home I was able to turn in with full confidence. The rear however was more up for a party, and though I wasn't irresponsibly sliding the car everywhere - the AWD and the 'systems' do just enough to give you the ability to steer with the rear a bit, without needing armfuls of correction or panicky twitches of the wheel. It's great fun, and I imagine an absolute hoot on a racetrack.
In Sport mode, the 3rd-4th gear changes at full chat where lighting up the rear wheels at will, but nothing the systems couldn't subsequently handle. In Wet or even Snow mode, you could drive the car with full aggression and it wouldn't let anything so much as chirp. Clever stuff.
I even tried provoking it a bit in first gear out of a wide open T-Junction, but the systems simply were having none of it - and it just gently pulled out like I was only applying 5% throttle.
I got home feeling like I'd collected a new car. Partly as it's been away for so long, but mainly because this really does feel like a reset. After 6 months of chipping away at it, the car now looks and drives as it probably should have done originally. There's still some minor things I'd like to do to it, but I'm much more motivated to tackle these things now that I know the baseline is there and that Ferrari have given the car an absolutely clean bill of health as part of warranty renewal. I have a new faith in the coverage of the warranty, and despite the sizable bill - I'm feeling pretty good about Ferrari ownership going forward.
Next day I cleaned the grot out to celebrate the return home.
Looking forward to some crispy clear Winter morning driving in the car now. My Daughter very much missed "the horsey car" and she'll be relieved that we can now use this for swimming lessons on a saturday rather than slumming it in the Porsche. Poor little lamb.
Had I been replacing all corners, then going Surface Transforms makes sense and future proofs nicely.
Had this been a long termer track car for me, then steels makes the most sense.
For just replacing one axle, OEM was both the most cost effective and the most sensible.
I finally got the call last week to let me know the car was done, so with much apprehension I went over to the dealership on Saturday morning.
I found there was some sort of supercar owners club meet on at the dealership, so the place was rammed. I didn't have time to talk to the service dept. at all about the work, but the car was waiting all prepped out front. I'm sure she was just being polite, but the receptionist claimed they'd had a few approaches from people asking if it was for sale... imagine my anger when I found she didn't take any details!!
The car was actually parked right in front of the main doors when I first got there, which meant there was no hope of just leaving quietly. The cold start barked through the showroom like a machine of war, and probably gassed a few people out for good measure.
I was very nervous because I'd just dropped a lot of money on this dealership visit, and if the noise was still present it would have been really, really disappointing. If the noise was fixed, it would still be a lot of money - but progress, so we can rationalise that.
After poking around the showroom for a bit, I decided this was my new favourite Ferrari.
The facelifted FF (GTC4Lusso) out front gave me something to look at too. Has some nice styling upgrades on the outside, and a modernised infotainment as you'd expect - but still very, very similar cars.
Eventually I had to bite the bullet and leave, so I pootled out and headed for the dual carraigeway. Within minutes I was convinced the noise was indeed fixed. It sounds silly to put so much enjoyment of a car at risk because of a fairly mild noise, but having it go away has made such a massive difference to me. The whole thing now feels more robust and pleasant to drive.
Due to the overcomplicated logistics of collecting the car on Saturday morning, I had to drive home, collect the missus and daughter and then head back to rescue the Porsche courtesy car that I'd left abandoned at Ferrari. My Taycan is currently also broken, and despite the two dealers being right next door to each other - Porsche were absolutely hopeless in coordinating this a bit better for me. Hey ho.
This did mean making a day of it though, and we spent much of the day zipping around in the FF including a hateful walk round White Rose shopping centre.
On the way home, family in the courtesy Macan and me left to my own thoughts in the FF. It was getting very dark, and extremely cold but I set out for a scenic route home nonetheless.
An added benefit to the warranty work has been the replacement wishbones/bushes at the front. This has added a nice upgrade to the steering on this car, and has solved an insecurity I've had about it ever since replacing the tyres and fixing the initial handling foibles.
Ferrari's are known for very light and quick steering, and this car is no exception... but I couldn't gel with it properly. I always felt like I needed two bites of the cherry to find my steering angle on a fast turn-in, and I blamed it on the relative speed of the rack compared to the performance cars I'm used to driving. In hindsight I think this was due to an inaccuracy caused by the bushes.
The front of the car has never lacked grip, and even on the subzero roundabouts near home I was able to turn in with full confidence. The rear however was more up for a party, and though I wasn't irresponsibly sliding the car everywhere - the AWD and the 'systems' do just enough to give you the ability to steer with the rear a bit, without needing armfuls of correction or panicky twitches of the wheel. It's great fun, and I imagine an absolute hoot on a racetrack.
In Sport mode, the 3rd-4th gear changes at full chat where lighting up the rear wheels at will, but nothing the systems couldn't subsequently handle. In Wet or even Snow mode, you could drive the car with full aggression and it wouldn't let anything so much as chirp. Clever stuff.
I even tried provoking it a bit in first gear out of a wide open T-Junction, but the systems simply were having none of it - and it just gently pulled out like I was only applying 5% throttle.
I got home feeling like I'd collected a new car. Partly as it's been away for so long, but mainly because this really does feel like a reset. After 6 months of chipping away at it, the car now looks and drives as it probably should have done originally. There's still some minor things I'd like to do to it, but I'm much more motivated to tackle these things now that I know the baseline is there and that Ferrari have given the car an absolutely clean bill of health as part of warranty renewal. I have a new faith in the coverage of the warranty, and despite the sizable bill - I'm feeling pretty good about Ferrari ownership going forward.
Next day I cleaned the grot out to celebrate the return home.
Looking forward to some crispy clear Winter morning driving in the car now. My Daughter very much missed "the horsey car" and she'll be relieved that we can now use this for swimming lessons on a saturday rather than slumming it in the Porsche. Poor little lamb.
Thanks all for the kind comments, I'm glad you're enjoying the journey.
Got some more miles on the car this weekend, in the guise of a single night getaway into the Yorkshire Dales which is turning into a bit of a tradition for me and the missus. Our venue for this time would be the Blue Lion Inn, cracking little historic inn with some cosy rooms and good food.
Through no real planning, we've managed to achieve a 100% record of snow when we make these trips, and it was solidly forecast for this weekend too. Normally a job for a V90 Volvo, but I also had a courtesy Macan to choose from this weekend in place of the stricken Taycan. Both Macan and V90 would have loved the conditions, so it only made sense to take the FF.
Getting into the Dales was pretty miserable on Saturday night. I'd had a very long day driving home from a work night out down in Reading, so adding another 50 miles or so of thick fog and barely visible roads once getting off the A1 into the Dales was rough. Still, got there in one piece and the snow was a mere scattering at this point.
The pub is in East Witton, a stunning little Dales' village but really not that deep into the Dales at all. Barely 15miles in off the A1, but still feels as isolated as anywhere.
After a cosy evening of food, and eagerly checking the weather - we hunkered down for the night pretty excited to see how things would look in the morning.
Remarkably the main road through the village was perfectly clear already at 8am, or whenever it was I surfaced. There was no visible evidence of grit being down, I suspect there was salt in addition to some sweeping/ploughing to get it as clean as it was.
After breakfast we set out on a small circular walking route just to explore the countryside a bit,
Was rather enjoyable, got a bit lost, found some footprints from somebody else who'd clearly got lost too - but eventually found our way back to the village.
Anyway, it's not a travel blog. On to car stuff.
I was a bit nervous about firing up the FF. They do struggle with battery life a bit, and though mine normally lives on a trickle charger - it still takes all the might of the battery to fire the car up when the temperature drops beneath zero. Spending a night at approx. -5 had me worried, but I needn't have been concerned, as the beat of a starter motor pushed through and got her fired up nicely.
Swept the bulk of the snow off, got the clomping walking boots off then it was time to see if "snow mode" on the manettino did as advertised.
When the FF launched there were lots of press photos/videos of it bombing around on ski resorts etc, but you always wonder how good it actually will be... especially on Pilot Sport 4S tyres.
I'd played with the snow mode on the steering wheel the night before on the icy, but ultimately just wet roads and it seemed to just hold onto gears longer than the wet mode did. I guess it's intended for slower progress on packed snow/ice and holding onto gears just to avoid any disruption to the drivetrain. Doing the NSL on an a-road didn't seem to be it's intended use.
In the carpark though, I had three challenges. One was a three point turn into pretty thick powder, the next was an uphill drive up cobblestones covered in packed ice, then the third was turning into a narrow stone archway barely wider than the car - always aware that my rear axle would be on ice right until we got straight in the tunnel, and the slightest yaw of oversteer would have me taking a chunk out of the 150+ year old stonework.
Creeping out of the parking spot was a little challenging at first, the ESP systems seem to take a moment to work out what was going on - then a bit more bravery with the throttle and it barked into life and did a tidy little four wheel slide out of the parking spot, almost perfectly spinning me towards my cobbled challenge next. No three point turn needed then!
Up the cobbles I just kept a constant throttle and though you could hear the car scrabbling away - it tracked true and just worked its way up nicely. I definitely woke anybody up that may have been sleeping in till' checkout time, but soon enough I was at the arch. This went without drama at all, as soon as the front tyres got to the dry stone beneath the archway the car effectively turned into FWD to pull me through.
Onto the roads, we had a couple of back roads to navigate, which were fun.
But ultimately we were soon onto the wet, but not particularly slippery main road carving through the Dales.
The car was excellent here, the front grip I continue to celebrate was unflappable and really built confidence when pushing on a bit, despite the banks of snow at each side of the road being continuous reminders that it might be quite skiddy in places. I switched out of snow mode, and into wet mode - and the car just carved through the countryside. Rarely (if ever) troubling the top half of the RPM range, but enjoying the effortless grunt at the lower end of the range to scoot me along with the occasional hint of slip at the rear just to remind me where I was.
All too soon it was back onto the A1, where the fog once again descended and I didn't have much to report for the rest of the trip. Somehow managed to avoid gritters once again, the salt down on the roads doesn't bother me too much as the car, arches and suspension is easily hosed down afterwards - but my nightmare is running into one on the road and peppering the car from front to back! Maybe it's time to quit whilst I'm ahead and retire the car for the Winter.... or not?
Got some more miles on the car this weekend, in the guise of a single night getaway into the Yorkshire Dales which is turning into a bit of a tradition for me and the missus. Our venue for this time would be the Blue Lion Inn, cracking little historic inn with some cosy rooms and good food.
Through no real planning, we've managed to achieve a 100% record of snow when we make these trips, and it was solidly forecast for this weekend too. Normally a job for a V90 Volvo, but I also had a courtesy Macan to choose from this weekend in place of the stricken Taycan. Both Macan and V90 would have loved the conditions, so it only made sense to take the FF.
Getting into the Dales was pretty miserable on Saturday night. I'd had a very long day driving home from a work night out down in Reading, so adding another 50 miles or so of thick fog and barely visible roads once getting off the A1 into the Dales was rough. Still, got there in one piece and the snow was a mere scattering at this point.
The pub is in East Witton, a stunning little Dales' village but really not that deep into the Dales at all. Barely 15miles in off the A1, but still feels as isolated as anywhere.
After a cosy evening of food, and eagerly checking the weather - we hunkered down for the night pretty excited to see how things would look in the morning.
Remarkably the main road through the village was perfectly clear already at 8am, or whenever it was I surfaced. There was no visible evidence of grit being down, I suspect there was salt in addition to some sweeping/ploughing to get it as clean as it was.
After breakfast we set out on a small circular walking route just to explore the countryside a bit,
Was rather enjoyable, got a bit lost, found some footprints from somebody else who'd clearly got lost too - but eventually found our way back to the village.
Anyway, it's not a travel blog. On to car stuff.
I was a bit nervous about firing up the FF. They do struggle with battery life a bit, and though mine normally lives on a trickle charger - it still takes all the might of the battery to fire the car up when the temperature drops beneath zero. Spending a night at approx. -5 had me worried, but I needn't have been concerned, as the beat of a starter motor pushed through and got her fired up nicely.
Swept the bulk of the snow off, got the clomping walking boots off then it was time to see if "snow mode" on the manettino did as advertised.
When the FF launched there were lots of press photos/videos of it bombing around on ski resorts etc, but you always wonder how good it actually will be... especially on Pilot Sport 4S tyres.
I'd played with the snow mode on the steering wheel the night before on the icy, but ultimately just wet roads and it seemed to just hold onto gears longer than the wet mode did. I guess it's intended for slower progress on packed snow/ice and holding onto gears just to avoid any disruption to the drivetrain. Doing the NSL on an a-road didn't seem to be it's intended use.
In the carpark though, I had three challenges. One was a three point turn into pretty thick powder, the next was an uphill drive up cobblestones covered in packed ice, then the third was turning into a narrow stone archway barely wider than the car - always aware that my rear axle would be on ice right until we got straight in the tunnel, and the slightest yaw of oversteer would have me taking a chunk out of the 150+ year old stonework.
Creeping out of the parking spot was a little challenging at first, the ESP systems seem to take a moment to work out what was going on - then a bit more bravery with the throttle and it barked into life and did a tidy little four wheel slide out of the parking spot, almost perfectly spinning me towards my cobbled challenge next. No three point turn needed then!
Up the cobbles I just kept a constant throttle and though you could hear the car scrabbling away - it tracked true and just worked its way up nicely. I definitely woke anybody up that may have been sleeping in till' checkout time, but soon enough I was at the arch. This went without drama at all, as soon as the front tyres got to the dry stone beneath the archway the car effectively turned into FWD to pull me through.
Onto the roads, we had a couple of back roads to navigate, which were fun.
But ultimately we were soon onto the wet, but not particularly slippery main road carving through the Dales.
The car was excellent here, the front grip I continue to celebrate was unflappable and really built confidence when pushing on a bit, despite the banks of snow at each side of the road being continuous reminders that it might be quite skiddy in places. I switched out of snow mode, and into wet mode - and the car just carved through the countryside. Rarely (if ever) troubling the top half of the RPM range, but enjoying the effortless grunt at the lower end of the range to scoot me along with the occasional hint of slip at the rear just to remind me where I was.
All too soon it was back onto the A1, where the fog once again descended and I didn't have much to report for the rest of the trip. Somehow managed to avoid gritters once again, the salt down on the roads doesn't bother me too much as the car, arches and suspension is easily hosed down afterwards - but my nightmare is running into one on the road and peppering the car from front to back! Maybe it's time to quit whilst I'm ahead and retire the car for the Winter.... or not?
Lincsls1 said:
I seem to remember on Top Gear that it was said these FFs disengage 4wd once into 5th and beyond? Is this right?
Yep that's correct, and in hindsight probably explains why it was holding onto fourth for so long when on the main roads.It also has a speed cutoff too. 50mph maybe?
Update and wee photodump to prove I still have the car.
Thread has had no content because the car just... works. Probably jinxing it now!
Found a nice balance of using the car often enough to enjoy it, but not so often that I resent the obscene fuel consumption. Got a nice routine of finishing up my last call on a Friday, and in the two hours I get for my wife to collect daughter from in-laws I go escape and take a very long way around to buy some beers and collect a takeaway for the night.
Also been using it for the odd weekend duty, local-ish city breaks and weekends away etc.
..and the odd tip run
Garage has had a lot of work (detailed in my 2-Eleven thread) for which the FF was a keen observer. If I switch to a four post ramp the FF may even get an overnight slot in the garage.
I took the FF over to SeriouslyLotus with some 2-Eleven forged wheels in the back to get shod in some new A052 tyres for the new trackday season. Also used it as an opportunity to connect the car to SL's clever scan tool who told me that my recurring parking sensor error was coming from the rear left unit. It's the only current glitch with the car, and is annoying when it happens as it disables all sensors across the car, even the fronts!
It's a job on the list to sort.
Washed it a few times
Filled it up a few times more
Which brings us to today, MOT day! I booked in with the Motorist as there's plenty of space to setup and get some work done with a coffee.
Car passed with flying colours, no advisories but the tech did spot a broken oetiker clip on one of the intake banks.
He replaced with a cabletie which got me home, the long way
Then raided the massive box of oetiker clamps I've got and got it replaced along with another which looked questionable.
And that's us up to date. It's going back to the Motorist in a week or so to get some paintwork remedied from the original job last summer. More on that later. Aside from that I'll find time to get the rear sensor inspected/replaced, but also need to get the rear pads done sooner than later.
I've got a "booking", lad from the village bravely popped round when I was cleaning it and asked me to take him to Prom in it. Could hardly say no to that, so that means I've got to keep the damn thing until July at least
Thread has had no content because the car just... works. Probably jinxing it now!
Found a nice balance of using the car often enough to enjoy it, but not so often that I resent the obscene fuel consumption. Got a nice routine of finishing up my last call on a Friday, and in the two hours I get for my wife to collect daughter from in-laws I go escape and take a very long way around to buy some beers and collect a takeaway for the night.
Also been using it for the odd weekend duty, local-ish city breaks and weekends away etc.
..and the odd tip run
Garage has had a lot of work (detailed in my 2-Eleven thread) for which the FF was a keen observer. If I switch to a four post ramp the FF may even get an overnight slot in the garage.
I took the FF over to SeriouslyLotus with some 2-Eleven forged wheels in the back to get shod in some new A052 tyres for the new trackday season. Also used it as an opportunity to connect the car to SL's clever scan tool who told me that my recurring parking sensor error was coming from the rear left unit. It's the only current glitch with the car, and is annoying when it happens as it disables all sensors across the car, even the fronts!
It's a job on the list to sort.
Washed it a few times
Filled it up a few times more
Which brings us to today, MOT day! I booked in with the Motorist as there's plenty of space to setup and get some work done with a coffee.
Car passed with flying colours, no advisories but the tech did spot a broken oetiker clip on one of the intake banks.
He replaced with a cabletie which got me home, the long way
Then raided the massive box of oetiker clamps I've got and got it replaced along with another which looked questionable.
And that's us up to date. It's going back to the Motorist in a week or so to get some paintwork remedied from the original job last summer. More on that later. Aside from that I'll find time to get the rear sensor inspected/replaced, but also need to get the rear pads done sooner than later.
I've got a "booking", lad from the village bravely popped round when I was cleaning it and asked me to take him to Prom in it. Could hardly say no to that, so that means I've got to keep the damn thing until July at least
PurpleTurtle said:
Great update.
I was on the M40 on Sunday thinking of your car actually, had a Dads & Lads weekend away with my 9yo, was thinking of what car I would love to be in for it, the FF is still on my dream list!
To bring me down to earth, what sort of MPG are you seeing out of it on average?
Solid single figures I was on the M40 on Sunday thinking of your car actually, had a Dads & Lads weekend away with my 9yo, was thinking of what car I would love to be in for it, the FF is still on my dream list!
To bring me down to earth, what sort of MPG are you seeing out of it on average?
It really is fantastic for going out with my daughter (4yo), she loves the car (because of all the embroidered 'Horsey's') and it gives me that bit of 'Dad' fun for the most mundane of weekend activities. That said, it does mean that I more often than not am not exploiting the full performance of it, so when I do get a rare drive out by myself it never fails to shock me. Now that it's getting lighter and drier, long may that continue!
Harry Flashman said:
Bookmarked as I am thinking of an FF or Lusso, and this thread has scared the living crap out of me. And i dont think there's any way around all of this - for example, I'm not sure that spending 150k on a 30,000 mile Lusso gets one away from the PTU and ceramic brake issues.
It's certainly made me lean towards a lower mile Lusso T over the V12, anyway!
Beautiful car, in my perfect Ferrari colour scheme, mind. FF is better looking than the Lusso, and tdf/tan is my dream spec.
I'm genuinely apologetic that I'm at least a little bit scaring you! It's really been a fantastic car, and most of the expense I've put into it is because I bought it blind with an auction site that had waaaaaaaaay overly generous descriptions about stuff.It's certainly made me lean towards a lower mile Lusso T over the V12, anyway!
Beautiful car, in my perfect Ferrari colour scheme, mind. FF is better looking than the Lusso, and tdf/tan is my dream spec.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Sunday 28th April 21:49
I would not recommend that approach, and if you shop around a bit and buy after actually looking at a car you could avoid most things. the PTU is the only thing that could get you completely by surprise, but it can be budgetted for it and it is somewhat affordable in supercar terms to get the proper aftermarket fix done to it.
I've really been enjoying mine the last couple of months. No trips/events of note, just blasting around on a weekend when I get a half hour to myself or when taking daughter out to something.
After what feels like the longest booking on record, I've just dropped it in with the detailer today for a correction and ceramic coating that I had booked following the original paintwork, but have delayed it until the re-work gets done. Very excited to see the results later this week.
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