2005 Volvo V70 2.5T SE
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I took a flight to Heathrow on Tuesday and drove 420 miles home in a lovely shade of willow green V70 2.5T
It turned over 64,007 when I arrived home
I filled the tank in Slough with 63.4 litres of BP Ultimate and once home OBC says I averaged 33.5mpg (it was at 37.4 before I got stuck in traffic going round Birmingham) and the OBC now says I can still drive another 115 miles.
It had a fresh MOT on Monday with a couple of advisories for cracks in the rear tyres. It had an oil change with Shell Helix 0W-30 and genuine Volvo filters.
A few niggly jobs to be done but nothing serious.
First comfort stop at Forton services and a quick picture in the dark
Three in a row, still space for another but divorces are expensive
A day spent detailing the paintwork and the willow green is looking good
It turned over 64,007 when I arrived home
I filled the tank in Slough with 63.4 litres of BP Ultimate and once home OBC says I averaged 33.5mpg (it was at 37.4 before I got stuck in traffic going round Birmingham) and the OBC now says I can still drive another 115 miles.
It had a fresh MOT on Monday with a couple of advisories for cracks in the rear tyres. It had an oil change with Shell Helix 0W-30 and genuine Volvo filters.
A few niggly jobs to be done but nothing serious.
First comfort stop at Forton services and a quick picture in the dark
Three in a row, still space for another but divorces are expensive
A day spent detailing the paintwork and the willow green is looking good
Thanks for the kind words. Yes a 4 post lift and yes the 5 pot does sound good at the expense of fuel consumption.
The garage was built in 2008. I dug the founds then employed a bricky to do the blockwork, then I went on a huge learning curve with many sleepless nights and built the rest myself. Not something I would like to tackle again and glad it's done. The original plans included a pit but when I excavated the hole it filled with water to the natural water table level so I filled it in and when putting the roof on I fitted extra roof trusses above to allow me to cut the truss strings and open up the roof space to allow me extra height
The garage was built in 2008. I dug the founds then employed a bricky to do the blockwork, then I went on a huge learning curve with many sleepless nights and built the rest myself. Not something I would like to tackle again and glad it's done. The original plans included a pit but when I excavated the hole it filled with water to the natural water table level so I filled it in and when putting the roof on I fitted extra roof trusses above to allow me to cut the truss strings and open up the roof space to allow me extra height
Edited by 47p2 on Sunday 26th February 21:51
Edited by 47p2 on Sunday 26th February 21:52
Got a surprise tonight when I was tinkering with the car, I discovered it had the load retaining nets fitted and I didn't even know. Those who follow my 850 thread will have seen I managed to buy nets for that car last summer after over 2 years of searching for them so this was a huge bonus for me tonight...
On Saturday I decided to remove the rear wiper arm to reposition it as it was resting on the channel at the bottom edge to the glass. I loosened the nut and put the wiper arm removal tool on and cranked the handle and the arm came off after a bit of persuasion. What I didn't realise was the rear washer jet protruded from the centre spindle and the pressure of the removal tool snapped it. A check online took me to Youtube and a chap removing his broken jet. He put a screw into the plastic remnants that were stuck in the brass tube and he pulled the entire brass tube which goes through the motor to the hose connection. He then had to dismantle the motor to sort it.
I didn't fancy having to dismantle the tailgate and decided to use a 1.5mm drill bit then a 2mm drill bit to open up the aperture and weaken the grip the plastic had on the brass tube. I then used screw of a suitable size to easily pull the remaining part of the jet out. So today's job is to put the new jet in...
I didn't fancy having to dismantle the tailgate and decided to use a 1.5mm drill bit then a 2mm drill bit to open up the aperture and weaken the grip the plastic had on the brass tube. I then used screw of a suitable size to easily pull the remaining part of the jet out. So today's job is to put the new jet in...
Paid my VED this morning and went out for a wee drive to run a few errands. Had to fuel up before I left so the obligatory filling station picture.
The cashier behind the counter did give me a funny look...
I thought I was being organised when I removed the original number plates to make way for my personal plate. I cleaned the paintwork, bought the sticky pads and put my personal plates on the car ready for this morning as I had expected to be able to transfer the number straight away once the V70 was taxed but the DVLA have a different outlook on us mere mortals and I can't change them over until my road tax is showing online. I had to stick the old plates on top of my personal plates. Those who know, know is quite appropriate now
The cashier behind the counter did give me a funny look...
I thought I was being organised when I removed the original number plates to make way for my personal plate. I cleaned the paintwork, bought the sticky pads and put my personal plates on the car ready for this morning as I had expected to be able to transfer the number straight away once the V70 was taxed but the DVLA have a different outlook on us mere mortals and I can't change them over until my road tax is showing online. I had to stick the old plates on top of my personal plates. Those who know, know is quite appropriate now
Locking wheel bolts are now on a shelf in the garage, they won't be required ever again while I own the V70
Booked the car in to my local air-con specialist today not knowing what the outcome would be as the car had been sitting unused in a garage for almost 10 years. The machine was hooked up and first protocol is removal of any gas already in the system. There was nothing extracted which meant all gas in the system had escaped which isn't a good sign, the machine then does a vacuum test which I expected it to fail and was surprised that it passed, a couple of minutes later fresh oil and gas recharged the engine was started with trepidation not knowing if the compressor would kick on. I was relieved when the mechanic told me it was all good and everything was working. Another job ticked off the list.
Booked the car in to my local air-con specialist today not knowing what the outcome would be as the car had been sitting unused in a garage for almost 10 years. The machine was hooked up and first protocol is removal of any gas already in the system. There was nothing extracted which meant all gas in the system had escaped which isn't a good sign, the machine then does a vacuum test which I expected it to fail and was surprised that it passed, a couple of minutes later fresh oil and gas recharged the engine was started with trepidation not knowing if the compressor would kick on. I was relieved when the mechanic told me it was all good and everything was working. Another job ticked off the list.
Edited by 47p2 on Wednesday 20th September 14:11
Thank you both Edmond and Sebastien
Yes Sebastien you'll have seen in on FB, the pictures don't so it justice, it really does look better in the flesh that my camera can capture
I went to a Volvo meet today where it attracted a lot of attention
Some pictures other Volvo owners took of the car today
Yes Sebastien you'll have seen in on FB, the pictures don't so it justice, it really does look better in the flesh that my camera can capture
I went to a Volvo meet today where it attracted a lot of attention
Some pictures other Volvo owners took of the car today
Edited by 47p2 on Sunday 5th March 22:09
Thanks the-norseman for your kind words.
New cabin filter arrived and fitted in less than 10 minutes, if only everything was as easy...
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Turned my DRLs off with Vida, why did Volvo not keep the 850 system where you could press a tiny button on the headlamp switch to alternate between on and off, finding it in Vida for the V70 was a PITA.
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Next I removed the rusty looking bonnet safety catch and my plan was to clean it up and give it a coat of paint.
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I put the catch in an ultrasonic bath and left it for 5 minutes, then another 5 minutes and another 5 minutes, once removed there wasn't much difference so all the Youtube videos must be telling porkies.
Into the vice and some emery cloth did a better job then into the sink with steel wool and that was when plan B took place.
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I decided rather than paint it a better long term solution was to cover the catch with Lanoguard grease. This isn't a grease for lubrication, it is used on nuts and bolts on the underside of the vehicle to prevent the threads getting rusty. I heated the grease in the microwave (SHMBO was out) and applied it with a brush then lubricated the pin with some 60w oil. Once refitted to the car I used a hairdryer to heat and even out the grease
The rusty catch has caused some marks on the bonnet, I tried to remove them but was unable, the Lanoguard grease will prevent any further reaction between the two surfaces
New cabin filter arrived and fitted in less than 10 minutes, if only everything was as easy...
|https://thumbsnap.com/zWtVo9TV[/url]Turned my DRLs off with Vida, why did Volvo not keep the 850 system where you could press a tiny button on the headlamp switch to alternate between on and off, finding it in Vida for the V70 was a PITA.
|https://thumbsnap.com/NNhPXTCa[/url]Next I removed the rusty looking bonnet safety catch and my plan was to clean it up and give it a coat of paint.
[url]|https://thumbsnap.com/ZhVsdHQZ[/url]I put the catch in an ultrasonic bath and left it for 5 minutes, then another 5 minutes and another 5 minutes, once removed there wasn't much difference so all the Youtube videos must be telling porkies.
Into the vice and some emery cloth did a better job then into the sink with steel wool and that was when plan B took place.
[url]|https://thumbsnap.com/WXJ7z5zN[/url]I decided rather than paint it a better long term solution was to cover the catch with Lanoguard grease. This isn't a grease for lubrication, it is used on nuts and bolts on the underside of the vehicle to prevent the threads getting rusty. I heated the grease in the microwave (SHMBO was out) and applied it with a brush then lubricated the pin with some 60w oil. Once refitted to the car I used a hairdryer to heat and even out the grease
The rusty catch has caused some marks on the bonnet, I tried to remove them but was unable, the Lanoguard grease will prevent any further reaction between the two surfaces
The car was booked into my favourite exhaust shop (C+C at Hillington) to have the tail pipe replaced. The original tail pipe rusty chrome and not looking very nice.
Campbell decided that it would be best to chop the old pipe off from the box and start from there, I did wonder why but am glad he did as there was a hidden hole at the top of the pipe.
After a bit of fabrication the job was completed and I now have a smart looking tail pipe that will keep the MOT tester happy
Campbell decided that it would be best to chop the old pipe off from the box and start from there, I did wonder why but am glad he did as there was a hidden hole at the top of the pipe.
After a bit of fabrication the job was completed and I now have a smart looking tail pipe that will keep the MOT tester happy
Well that put my blood pressure up a point or two. I've never heard spark plugs squeal as much as they did today when I tried to remove the old plugs from the car, they were obviously reluctant to vacate their home after all this time. I originally started with a cold engine but the noise was so bad that I heated it up for 15 minutes before proceeding any further.
I ordered the plugs from one of the UK's largest Volvo dealer's online stores and before ordering I asked them what the correct plugs were for my 2.5T engine. I was given the part number for the longer reach plugs and proceeded to order them. Then my mate said it should be short plugs in my engine so after researching further I discovered I had indeed been given the incorrect information. Caveat Emptor...
I think the longer plugs could have caused a lot of damage had I fitted them...
New plugs correctly gapped and ready to fit
18 years and 64,000 miles later
Colour is good but electrode is well past its best
Ready to stick back together
I ordered the plugs from one of the UK's largest Volvo dealer's online stores and before ordering I asked them what the correct plugs were for my 2.5T engine. I was given the part number for the longer reach plugs and proceeded to order them. Then my mate said it should be short plugs in my engine so after researching further I discovered I had indeed been given the incorrect information. Caveat Emptor...
I think the longer plugs could have caused a lot of damage had I fitted them...
New plugs correctly gapped and ready to fit
18 years and 64,000 miles later
Colour is good but electrode is well past its best
Ready to stick back together
Edited by 47p2 on Wednesday 20th September 14:16
Edited by 47p2 on Wednesday 20th September 14:17
chris1roll said:
!...I doubt I'd have thought to compare old with new if I'd bought genuine plugs from the dealers.
Ticked off that I asked and they gave me the incorrect part number to order, if it hadn't been for my mates knowledge I wouldn't have found the error until I went to change them today. No apology from them they just shrugged their shoulders and said they would amend my orderAn easy job today changing the 18 year old fuel filter. The original factory tape was still on the hose retaining clips which has kept them free from dirt and corrosion making for easy removal.
New filter was fitted and I smothered the inside of the bracket with Lanoguard, the rest of the car will be done later when the weather is warmer.
I decided to tape up the clips, not sure what Volvo used at the factory but it did seem to be some sort of masking tape so I've done mine with that to make life easy next time the filter needs changed
Not a pretty sight
New filter was fitted and I smothered the inside of the bracket with Lanoguard, the rest of the car will be done later when the weather is warmer.
I decided to tape up the clips, not sure what Volvo used at the factory but it did seem to be some sort of masking tape so I've done mine with that to make life easy next time the filter needs changed
Not a pretty sight
cfin4014 said:
...plus I'm a sucker for a wooden interior 
Oh another potential new member for the faux wooden interior pipe and slippers FB group, please join and share your delightful experiences Your car does look nice
I jest, My XC90 came with a horrible aluminium interior and I searched high and low until I found NOS wooden parts
The V70 has a nicer aluminium than the XC90 had and my mate has an S60 T5 with wood which we were going to swap but I actually like the way the V70 looks inside so I'm going to keep it for now.
There are a few dents and scratches in the aluminium but I managed to remove the gear lever cowl and machine polish a lot of them out, then gave it a coat of wax so it's like a ski slope, nothing will stick to it now
I've removed the charge pipe on the V70 several times over the past few weeks but I could never get the clamp at the top of the intake hose to sit properly and I didn't know why. Today I decided to remove the hose and try to find the problem. Once removed I saw the hose was past its best and decided to put it back together and was going to order another, also I never saw the cause for the clamp not to sit correctly but I did notice the charge pipe was an odd shape at the end, however as I'm not familiar with these items nothing I saw raised any concerns.
I visited my mate and mentioned the hose to him and he said he had an old one in his garage and after a coulpe of minutes appeared with a good used hose. When I returned home I decided to change the hose and that's when I discovered the problem...
The charge pipe has a metal sleeve that is there to prevent the clamp from crushing the pipe. With the engine hot the plastic pipe had expanded and the slight grip the pipe had on the metal sleeve let go and the sleeve fell off.
Careful heating with a hot air gun, a large socket strategically placed on the sleeve and a bit of brute force and the sleeve is back to where it should be and the oddly shaped end is once again straight.
Replacement hose put on and all stitched back together and sitting as it should
I visited my mate and mentioned the hose to him and he said he had an old one in his garage and after a coulpe of minutes appeared with a good used hose. When I returned home I decided to change the hose and that's when I discovered the problem...
The charge pipe has a metal sleeve that is there to prevent the clamp from crushing the pipe. With the engine hot the plastic pipe had expanded and the slight grip the pipe had on the metal sleeve let go and the sleeve fell off.
Careful heating with a hot air gun, a large socket strategically placed on the sleeve and a bit of brute force and the sleeve is back to where it should be and the oddly shaped end is once again straight.
Replacement hose put on and all stitched back together and sitting as it should
Lucky escape
Unfortunately the air-con recharge I had done on the V70 didn’t work. I stay less than 1 mile from the shop that did the recharge so it didn’t try it on the road home. I went out to the car later that day and turned the A/C on and the compressor kicked in, but the air into the car wasn’t getting cooler, I turned it off and on again and the cooling fan came on at full speed and wouldn’t stop. After connecting my diagnostics I had a pressure sensor fault showing, when I cleared the DTC the fan went off. I left it at that and tried again a few days later with the same results.
I decided to have a professional diagnose the problem and after speaking to the ‘expert air-con company’ at the top of the Google listing for my area and not feeling confident about the answers they gave me I booked the car into my local Volvo Indie thinking that at least they would know what they were doing. Well that was a mistake on my part, they don’t have recharging facilities and after connecting Vida and not finding any DTCs they decided it needed a new compressor as they could ‘see metal filings’ that had apparently been coming from my compressor. They then told me to buy a new compressor from eBay… I was shocked and furious when I heard this and it makes me wonder what sort of service they are providing to the Volvo community.
I decided at this point in time to seek out a proper old school specialist, a mate told me about Keep Kool in Cambuslang and I took the car to be diagnosed. Willie put the gauges on the car, started the engine and put the A/C on and off and told me that it really does need a compressor, but not because of fictional metal filings being expelled which there wasn’t, but because it wasn’t pressurising the system and the clutch assembly was falling apart.
Today it was back to Keep Kool where the V70 had some major surgery, Boost pipe off, top hose off, fan removed, serpentine belt off, power steering pump off, alternator off and eventually the air-con compressor removed.
The compressor motor is seized solid and I’m unable to turn it over, it must have taken huge amount of power from the car’s system to get it turning. Also the outside of the compressor is covered in UV dye and was leaking refrigerant gas.
The system was flushed and re-gassed and my air-con is working perfectly, the pressure switch didn’t require changing even though it was showing a fault.
Once home I decided to remove the clutch assembly, the centre which should be attached, it fell out onto the floor. The clutch assembly was in far worse condition than first expected and I doubt I would have got many more miles out of it before it fell apart leaving a horrendous mess
Clutch assembly falling to bits
Pulley off centre
Fell apart when removed
All buttoned up and sorted...COOL!!!
Unfortunately the air-con recharge I had done on the V70 didn’t work. I stay less than 1 mile from the shop that did the recharge so it didn’t try it on the road home. I went out to the car later that day and turned the A/C on and the compressor kicked in, but the air into the car wasn’t getting cooler, I turned it off and on again and the cooling fan came on at full speed and wouldn’t stop. After connecting my diagnostics I had a pressure sensor fault showing, when I cleared the DTC the fan went off. I left it at that and tried again a few days later with the same results.
I decided to have a professional diagnose the problem and after speaking to the ‘expert air-con company’ at the top of the Google listing for my area and not feeling confident about the answers they gave me I booked the car into my local Volvo Indie thinking that at least they would know what they were doing. Well that was a mistake on my part, they don’t have recharging facilities and after connecting Vida and not finding any DTCs they decided it needed a new compressor as they could ‘see metal filings’ that had apparently been coming from my compressor. They then told me to buy a new compressor from eBay… I was shocked and furious when I heard this and it makes me wonder what sort of service they are providing to the Volvo community.
I decided at this point in time to seek out a proper old school specialist, a mate told me about Keep Kool in Cambuslang and I took the car to be diagnosed. Willie put the gauges on the car, started the engine and put the A/C on and off and told me that it really does need a compressor, but not because of fictional metal filings being expelled which there wasn’t, but because it wasn’t pressurising the system and the clutch assembly was falling apart.
Today it was back to Keep Kool where the V70 had some major surgery, Boost pipe off, top hose off, fan removed, serpentine belt off, power steering pump off, alternator off and eventually the air-con compressor removed.
The compressor motor is seized solid and I’m unable to turn it over, it must have taken huge amount of power from the car’s system to get it turning. Also the outside of the compressor is covered in UV dye and was leaking refrigerant gas.
The system was flushed and re-gassed and my air-con is working perfectly, the pressure switch didn’t require changing even though it was showing a fault.
Once home I decided to remove the clutch assembly, the centre which should be attached, it fell out onto the floor. The clutch assembly was in far worse condition than first expected and I doubt I would have got many more miles out of it before it fell apart leaving a horrendous mess
Clutch assembly falling to bits
Pulley off centre
Fell apart when removed
All buttoned up and sorted...COOL!!!
My centre vent louvres on the passenger side were broken and flopped about, Someone local was sending his V70 to the carpark in the sky so offered parts before it went.
Centre vents removed on Saturday and Hazard switch put back to prevent any DTCs when going to collect the replacement parts.
Replacement vents fitted to keep SWMBO happy
My gear lever cover plate was covered in scratches and lots of dents, I polished the scratches out but there is nothing I can do with the dozens of dents. I picked a replacement up with the centre vents, the manual and auto cover plates are both the same and interchangeable.The replacement isn't perfect but it's a huge improvement on what I had
Orginal left, replacement right
Took the car to the auto gearbox specialist and had it serviced. No difference in operation but it gives me peace of mind knowing it has been done. The mechanic said the oil didn't smell burnt and was just starting to change colour so perfect timing.
I don’t know what the substance was that had been spilled over the front of the radio/CCM area from the poorly designed and placed cup holder and it has caused me a lot of work sorting out and removing the offending sugary mess. The heater fan control knob had suffered terribly and the rubber soft touch coating was peeling and looked nasty. I removed the knob and cleaned the rubber coating off using Acetone, the results which although not as pleasing as original looked much better. Then when prepping the XC90 for sale I noticed the knob on that car was like new so I swapped them both over and the V70 is now back to an original look & feel
Left: Original damaged. Centre: Cleaned with Acetone but too shiny.Right: XC90 rubberised fitted to V70
Centre vents removed on Saturday and Hazard switch put back to prevent any DTCs when going to collect the replacement parts.
Replacement vents fitted to keep SWMBO happy
My gear lever cover plate was covered in scratches and lots of dents, I polished the scratches out but there is nothing I can do with the dozens of dents. I picked a replacement up with the centre vents, the manual and auto cover plates are both the same and interchangeable.The replacement isn't perfect but it's a huge improvement on what I had
Orginal left, replacement right
Took the car to the auto gearbox specialist and had it serviced. No difference in operation but it gives me peace of mind knowing it has been done. The mechanic said the oil didn't smell burnt and was just starting to change colour so perfect timing.
I don’t know what the substance was that had been spilled over the front of the radio/CCM area from the poorly designed and placed cup holder and it has caused me a lot of work sorting out and removing the offending sugary mess. The heater fan control knob had suffered terribly and the rubber soft touch coating was peeling and looked nasty. I removed the knob and cleaned the rubber coating off using Acetone, the results which although not as pleasing as original looked much better. Then when prepping the XC90 for sale I noticed the knob on that car was like new so I swapped them both over and the V70 is now back to an original look & feel
Left: Original damaged. Centre: Cleaned with Acetone but too shiny.Right: XC90 rubberised fitted to V70
When I bought the V70 I was told the car had an oil and filter change a couple of weeks earlier and was shown & given the invoices. Sure enough a genuine Volvo oil and air filter were fitted and I was more than impressed that they didn't cut corners with the oil, they had filled it with Shell Helix 0W-30.
What I didn't know at the time was the oil was the wrong type for my engine, they had filled it with ACEA C2/C3 instead of the more expensive ACEA A5/B5
So today was oil and filter change time.
I don't have the correct 86mm-16F tool for removing the filter housing as the XC90 was the 36mm type (I've ordered the correct tool today and will be with me tomorrow) and was unsure how I was going to remove it but just my luck it was finger tight (should be torqued to 25Nm) The car had full Volvo history up until it was laid up in 2012 so I would hazard a guess that a Volvo dealership will have the correct removal tool and the filter housing looks like it's been attacked by the mechanics teeth...
5 litres of Castrol 0W-30 A5/B5 and engine run to check for leaks, will let the level sit for a while then re-check
After letting the level sit for a few hours it required another ¾ litre to top it off
One of the first things I checked when I brought the car home was to check levels, the oil was overfilled by ¾ litre which I had to extract. Considering it had just been changed about 500 motorway miles earlier and looking at the colour I am suspicious now as to whether it did get an oil change... The oil I took out of the 850 which had been in for 2901 miles and 3 years was cleaner. Picture is the ¾ litre from the V70, the vacuum extractor was brand new so nothing has been in before this oil
What I didn't know at the time was the oil was the wrong type for my engine, they had filled it with ACEA C2/C3 instead of the more expensive ACEA A5/B5
So today was oil and filter change time.
I don't have the correct 86mm-16F tool for removing the filter housing as the XC90 was the 36mm type (I've ordered the correct tool today and will be with me tomorrow) and was unsure how I was going to remove it but just my luck it was finger tight (should be torqued to 25Nm) The car had full Volvo history up until it was laid up in 2012 so I would hazard a guess that a Volvo dealership will have the correct removal tool and the filter housing looks like it's been attacked by the mechanics teeth...
5 litres of Castrol 0W-30 A5/B5 and engine run to check for leaks, will let the level sit for a while then re-check
After letting the level sit for a few hours it required another ¾ litre to top it off
One of the first things I checked when I brought the car home was to check levels, the oil was overfilled by ¾ litre which I had to extract. Considering it had just been changed about 500 motorway miles earlier and looking at the colour I am suspicious now as to whether it did get an oil change... The oil I took out of the 850 which had been in for 2901 miles and 3 years was cleaner. Picture is the ¾ litre from the V70, the vacuum extractor was brand new so nothing has been in before this oil
Today when in the glovebox I noticed a broken cord at the rear and after a bit of investigation I discovered it was for the soft open mechanism that wasn't working.
I stripped the glove box out and try as I might there was no way I was going to get a secure fixing for the cord with the brass ferrule so decided to restring the entire mechanism
It's not the easiest of items to dismantle, the bottom part of the plunger is tricky to separate and requires gentle persuasion.
It took me several attempts with the length of the cord before I found something close to what it should be. I settled for 195mm between the knot and top of the loop
All back together and ready to refit. Note the end grommit should be on in the opposite direction
Grommit is inserted from behind
I stripped the glove box out and try as I might there was no way I was going to get a secure fixing for the cord with the brass ferrule so decided to restring the entire mechanism
It's not the easiest of items to dismantle, the bottom part of the plunger is tricky to separate and requires gentle persuasion.
It took me several attempts with the length of the cord before I found something close to what it should be. I settled for 195mm between the knot and top of the loop
All back together and ready to refit. Note the end grommit should be on in the opposite direction
Grommit is inserted from behind
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