Would you buy this car ?
Would you buy this car ?
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diesel130

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1,549 posts

242 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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Found a 2000-W 996 which is what I'm looking for, but just found out from the dealer that its "full service history" actually has a 26 month gap.

Goes something like ...

26/2/01; 8348 miles; AFT Porsche, minor service
13/3/02; 19,176;AFT Porsche, major
26/2/03; 24,927; AFT Porsche, yearly check
23/2/04; 32,713; AFT Porsche, yearly check
2/5/06; 43,508; Porsche works (never heard of them); yearly check and major service.

Unfortunately there are only stamps and no service receipts.

Dealer is prepared to put car through 111point check and OPC warantee though.

Thoughts ?

Merritt

1,669 posts

268 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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Does the mileage tie up with MOT mileage on certificates (if you have them?)

Also - the OPC should be able to pull the mileage information from the ECU which may or may not agree with the history? (at least you can on the GT3)

Steve

diesel130

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Thursday 4th January 2007
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The dealer only has one MOT cert (Apr 2006 - Apr 2007).

2something

2,145 posts

238 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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I am sure there will be some far more learned opinions on shortly, but IMHO that service history really doesn't look all that great.

e.g without receipts it's hard to tell if it's gone 4 years and 24k miles without an oil change or not.

edited to add:
You've probably seen these already, but if not

996 servicing schedule
www.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/default.pdf?pool=uk&type=download&id=porscheservice-servicepricing-type996&lang=none&filetype=default

Just to give you an idea, look at the service history in this thread (halfway down the 1st page)
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=340839&f=48&h=0


Edited by 2something on Thursday 4th January 18:03

lsb

447 posts

252 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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In that case i wouldn't touch it.

Merritt

1,669 posts

268 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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Can anyone confirm whether the 2000 model 996 ECU data contains mileage information?

If the mileage cannot be confirmed, I would walk away...

Steve

BliarOut

72,863 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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It's only missing a yearly check. Does that check even include an oil change?

Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

301 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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I'd avoid it like a coughing chicken mate.

hoges11

1,011 posts

258 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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Cant you contact the Servicer to get copies of the invoices. If its and OPC they will store the info.

ballcock

3,855 posts

249 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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If a yearly check is what I think it is , the car was run from '02 to '06 without an oil check ..

.. Do the fastest 100m sprint , and keep going .

diesel130

Original Poster:

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242 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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doesn't the yearly check include an oil change ??

911wise

1,887 posts

239 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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If in doubt, walk out. If you spot a car that seems cheap there nearly always a reason why.

richardofengland

161 posts

238 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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yearly check is just a review, nothing gets done. Normally this is done if hardly any miles are driven.
A lot of indies will have the annual review done as it gets a stamp in the book and also give them an idea of work to do.

ballcock

3,855 posts

249 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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diesel130 said:
doesn't the yearly check include an oil change ??


Depends on whether it's a service or an inspection .. But if it's a service then why call it a check!!? .. I'm betting on .. Inspection / no oil change...

drybeer

962 posts

255 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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Just a thought....


Entertain me if you will...

But at that age (2004 when the car had the service b4 its 26 month "gap" the vehicle was likely well outside the highly generous Porsche 24 months from new guarantee...

As such, when the servicing intervals are meant to be 12 months / 12000 miles on this car, and the car was covering possibly 6000 miles per year with that onwer, is it not more than likely that the owner did (like I would do) missed the annual check, just getting it done roughly 12000 miles later?

We can all point fingers, and yes we may have our own reasons for not buying the car if it was us...

But this doesn't seem that bad to me, unless it can be proved otherwise of course!

Andrew Dryburgh


Edited by drybeer on Thursday 4th January 20:55

911wise

1,887 posts

239 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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drybeer said:
Just a thought....




As such, when the servicing intervals are meant to be 12 months / 12000 miles on this car, and the car was covering possibly 6000 miles per year with that onwer, is it not more than likely that the owner did (like I would do) missed the annual check, just getting it done roughly 12000 miles later?

We can all point fingers, and yes we may have our own reasons for not buying the car if it was us...

But this doesn't seem that bad to me, unless it can be proved otherwise of course!

Andrew Dryburgh
You only have to look at the lonman GT2 thread to realise that when service history is'nt present there usually is a more sinister reason for it. It may not make it a bad car but it will certainly have a big effect on the price. Its a shame I know, but when dealing with large amounts of money you just cant take people at face value.


Edited by drybeer on Thursday 4th January 20:55

ballcock

3,855 posts

249 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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drybeer said:
the owner .... missed the annual check, just getting it done roughly 12000 miles later?


If this is was happened , it wouldn't be the end of the world , but the way I read it , he got the car serviced in '02 (with oil change) then drove it some 4 years til the next oil change , doin what , some 25,000 miles between?

diesel130

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Thursday 4th January 2007
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yes - doesn't look that good to me. I'll see if I can trace the service history via the OPC, if they give out that info to 3rd parties.

drybeer

962 posts

255 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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ballcock said:
drybeer said:
the owner .... missed the annual check, just getting it done roughly 12000 miles later?


If this is was happened , it wouldn't be the end of the world , but the way I read it , he got the car serviced in '02 (with oil change) then drove it some 4 years til the next oil change , doin what , some 25,000 miles between?



Correct me if I am wrong, but we don't know that it was a one owner car...

The change in owner to a low mileage driver in 2004 could be the reason?

It would be fairly unlikely for a 2000 W 996 to have one owner from new IMHO...

Can anyone shed any light on the number of owners and when the car changed hands through the years?

ballcock

3,855 posts

249 months

Thursday 4th January 2007
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Dunno Andy , why go to all those lenghts trying to prove to yourself that it's a good un , when there's so many others out there with the prove up front..