Total 911 troll
Discussion
if its 5700 ish words and you want 2000 surely with a bit of creative photography filling in gaps you can make a series to keep the eager readers buying more copys of said mag?
like a cut out and keep version of how your NOT supposed to do things, to keep forever, and with it you will be guided by the allmighty one who has doneth many a silly thing.
just an idea of course
like a cut out and keep version of how your NOT supposed to do things, to keep forever, and with it you will be guided by the allmighty one who has doneth many a silly thing.
just an idea of course
Kevin Hackett said:
Oh dear, I thought you all might have been able to get over that one, but obviously not. I have, until now, been of the opinion that it wasn't worth responding to the kneejerk comments about my second rate journalism, being a Clarkson wannabee, etc, etc. Now, I shall have my say.
If any of you actually took the time to read what was written then you wouldn't be so shocked and outraged. Go on, have a read - I never made any remarks about anyone's wife. I did not hint that the owner of the car writes on toilet walls. Yet while you were all getting your handbags ready it seemed as though the point I was trying to make was lost. I was actually trying to point out, albeit in an unusual way, that the car was very precious to its owner, much as my wife is to me. Surely as grown adults we aren't so easily offended. I can pick up a copy of Car or Top Gear magazines and read the F-word in all its glory. These are magazines for grown-ups.
Feedback is all well and good - just make sure you know what you're talking about. Funny how I'm not allowed to say anything negative about a car or its owner in print yet you feel free to insult me and question my ability to do my job.
Just chill out a bit - there are things in this world worth getting wound up about. That article and Nik's column are definitely not. Get over it.
As pathetic as the article. If any of you actually took the time to read what was written then you wouldn't be so shocked and outraged. Go on, have a read - I never made any remarks about anyone's wife. I did not hint that the owner of the car writes on toilet walls. Yet while you were all getting your handbags ready it seemed as though the point I was trying to make was lost. I was actually trying to point out, albeit in an unusual way, that the car was very precious to its owner, much as my wife is to me. Surely as grown adults we aren't so easily offended. I can pick up a copy of Car or Top Gear magazines and read the F-word in all its glory. These are magazines for grown-ups.
Feedback is all well and good - just make sure you know what you're talking about. Funny how I'm not allowed to say anything negative about a car or its owner in print yet you feel free to insult me and question my ability to do my job.
Just chill out a bit - there are things in this world worth getting wound up about. That article and Nik's column are definitely not. Get over it.
You actually said - and deny it on here by all means - that you would keep to your standard practice of sending a draft through by e-mail to the car's owner (me), not that I expected editorial rights though editorial control in general seems decidedly lacking. Nothing came through. Wonder why it never happened?
I asked if you would remove the registration plate. You agreed. It appeared.
I asked after your tale of the Ferrari guy getting mugged, if you would take out specific references to the lock up number and location, they remained in.
Your introduction to the article was pure garbage whatever pseudo intellectual b0ll0x by way of spin you try and hang on it now. You lost the mag subs and sales. Great result.
Now you whine on PH. My initial reaction was to keep comment off PH and invite PM's. OK now you set out your side and I set out mine.
Edited by turbobloke on Friday 15th September 19:15
turbobloke said:
You actually said - and deny it on here by all means - that you would keep to your standard practice of sending a draft through by e-mail to the car's owner (me), not that I expected editorial rights though editorial control in general seems decidedly lacking. Nothing came through. Wonder why it never happened?
I asked if you would remove the registration plate. You agreed. It appeared.
I asked after your tale of the Ferrari guy getting mugged, if you would take out specific references to the lock up number and location, they remained in.
don't think the article would have offended me personally, but that is indefensible
Yawn.
For the record, I only run copy past someone if there are facts I'm unsure about and it is never for 'approval'. The only approval takes place with my editor.
If you recall, I said I'd ask if the numberplate could be blanked out on your behalf - I did and it wasn't, so I won't take the rap for that. Blanked out plates look awful in car magazines and the practice has no use at all. If you don't want people to know you have a particular car then don't drive it. If you're afraid of someone 'cloning' your identity, why venture into public view at all? More people see you on the road every time you drive your car than will ever see it in a magazine and if I was an editor I'd have the same stance.
As far as mentioning specifics regarding location, there weren't any. I mentioned you live in Cheltenham - so what? You and hundreds of thousands of others. You're acting as though I included your full address and post code, although you fail to acknowledge the free plug you got for your car hire business.
You were obviously offended with the content and so, it seems were a number of others. Far more readers were offended by the inclusion of a Ferrari in that issue than by the article you keep mentioning and for those offended by Ferraris I tender no apology. But you, Bernard, are obviously still smarting so I will say to you that I am sorry for offending you. It's been a year since this was addressed so can we please drop this now?
For the record, I only run copy past someone if there are facts I'm unsure about and it is never for 'approval'. The only approval takes place with my editor.
If you recall, I said I'd ask if the numberplate could be blanked out on your behalf - I did and it wasn't, so I won't take the rap for that. Blanked out plates look awful in car magazines and the practice has no use at all. If you don't want people to know you have a particular car then don't drive it. If you're afraid of someone 'cloning' your identity, why venture into public view at all? More people see you on the road every time you drive your car than will ever see it in a magazine and if I was an editor I'd have the same stance.
As far as mentioning specifics regarding location, there weren't any. I mentioned you live in Cheltenham - so what? You and hundreds of thousands of others. You're acting as though I included your full address and post code, although you fail to acknowledge the free plug you got for your car hire business.
You were obviously offended with the content and so, it seems were a number of others. Far more readers were offended by the inclusion of a Ferrari in that issue than by the article you keep mentioning and for those offended by Ferraris I tender no apology. But you, Bernard, are obviously still smarting so I will say to you that I am sorry for offending you. It's been a year since this was addressed so can we please drop this now?
Kevin Hackett said:
Yawn.
For the record, I only run copy past someone if there are facts I'm unsure about and it is never for 'approval'. The only approval takes place with my editor.
If you recall, I said I'd ask if the numberplate could be blanked out on your behalf - I did and it wasn't, so I won't take the rap for that. Blanked out plates look awful in car magazines and the practice has no use at all. If you don't want people to know you have a particular car then don't drive it. If you're afraid of someone 'cloning' your identity, why venture into public view at all? More people see you on the road every time you drive your car than will ever see it in a magazine and if I was an editor I'd have the same stance.
As far as mentioning specifics regarding location, there weren't any. I mentioned you live in Cheltenham - so what? You and hundreds of thousands of others. You're acting as though I included your full address and post code, although you fail to acknowledge the free plug you got for your car hire business.
You were obviously offended with the content and so, it seems were a number of others. Far more readers were offended by the inclusion of a Ferrari in that issue than by the article you keep mentioning and for those offended by Ferraris I tender no apology. But you, Bernard, are obviously still smarting so I will say to you that I am sorry for offending you. It's been a year since this was addressed so can we please drop this now?
For the record, I only run copy past someone if there are facts I'm unsure about and it is never for 'approval'. The only approval takes place with my editor.
If you recall, I said I'd ask if the numberplate could be blanked out on your behalf - I did and it wasn't, so I won't take the rap for that. Blanked out plates look awful in car magazines and the practice has no use at all. If you don't want people to know you have a particular car then don't drive it. If you're afraid of someone 'cloning' your identity, why venture into public view at all? More people see you on the road every time you drive your car than will ever see it in a magazine and if I was an editor I'd have the same stance.
As far as mentioning specifics regarding location, there weren't any. I mentioned you live in Cheltenham - so what? You and hundreds of thousands of others. You're acting as though I included your full address and post code, although you fail to acknowledge the free plug you got for your car hire business.
You were obviously offended with the content and so, it seems were a number of others. Far more readers were offended by the inclusion of a Ferrari in that issue than by the article you keep mentioning and for those offended by Ferraris I tender no apology. But you, Bernard, are obviously still smarting so I will say to you that I am sorry for offending you. It's been a year since this was addressed so can we please drop this now?
Oh dear. I think the "yawn" tells us all we need to know..... Something has gone badly wrong irrespective of which side you take here.... Hardly good news for either side (and more importantly for Phil Raby and Rob Mugglestone et al) and it clearly demonstrates the dangers of mixing enthusiasm to have one's car "displayed" for posterity and a desire on the part of a journalist to sell copy.
For what it's worth when my car appeared on the cover of Total 911 Issue 1, I asked for the plates to be blanked out and they were "disguised" as I requested, furthermore I was dealt the common courtesy of a run through what would be published before it as published with my name on.
I would have thought that requests like this would be honoured out of common courtesy as they were for me - and given Total911 were a pleasure to deal with when I dealt with them, I struggle to see why the same didn't happen this time - what went wrong?????
With that, I bid you all a good night.
I'm starting to wonder whether I might just quit these forums, stop buying magazines and enjoy my car in blissful solitude with a few choice friends. I despair. I really do.
Stay out of trouble, you crazy kids
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 15th September 23:08
Vesuvius 996 said:
I'm starting to wonder whether I might just quit these forums, stop buying magazines and enjoy my car in blissful solitude with a few choice friends. I despair. I really do.
Soovy
After such a good day for laughs on this forum I can well understand your feelings. Whilst there are always two sides to a story I hung my head in shame when reading the yawn comment......
Kevin Hackett said:
Funny how I'm not allowed to say anything negative about a car or its owner in print yet you feel free to insult me and question my ability to do my job.
Just chill out a bit - there are things in this world worth getting wound up about. That article and Nik's column are definitely not. Get over it.
Just chill out a bit - there are things in this world worth getting wound up about. That article and Nik's column are definitely not. Get over it.
Wow .. I've been out of the loop so to speak , with this thread , and reading it tonight sends a bit of a shock to the system. These (above) are not the words of a professional journalist ... Anyone in this job knows that anything they write is open to criticism by the reader , and the journo should never lower himself to respond in kind (unless he fancies a promotion to 'editor at large' at the Sunday Sport)...
Take a hint from Phil Raby and John , and thank the kind folk for their opinion ,swallow your pride , and live to write another day , ya big palooka.
Vesuvius 996 said:
...the dangers of mixing enthusiasm to have one's car "displayed" for posterity and a desire on the part of a journalist to sell copy...
It was reassuring to read that your experience was so positive. In fact I think you posted on here at the time and that was an influence on me later down the line - not that what followed is all your fault It well be that cars appear for the reason you describe above, namely enthusiasm to have one's car displayed for posterity. In my case the car had been featured in print many times as I had been 'Running Reporter' with the car for 911&PW for quite some time. The fact is, I responded to an appeal - also on here iirc - for anyone with an 'interesting' Porsche to get in touch, possibly posted by a well known lady PH snapper but if the precise details of this are wrong I hope she won;t run over me in her Corrado
So, I thought - forgive me if this sounds trite - that I would be helping out a PHer, also helping a new mag posting on here as a breath of fresh pork air, and (yes) getting to see an article written on a certain modified turbo, not that this would be desperately novel. Not only that but I have some motoring writing experience myself, having been published in 'BMW Car' more than once and also on the Top Gear website. So there was no naiveté in the mix and no starry eyed bias.
The car does have firm suspension at the back, and the journo said that wasn't to his taste. Fine. All the opinions in the world are fine, it doesn't bother me because it's my car and it's been developed precisely as like it. Lighter, major league torque, stunning pick-up and blistering acceleration - without wheelies (thanks, firm RUF suspension).
The whole point of the valid criticism being levelled here is that ANY imagery involving toilets, voyeurism, dogging and so on is not 'Total 911' but 'Totally Out Of Place'. The writing wasn't clever or interesting, the writers stuffed up. Numerous promises were broken. John responded then in a similar way he's doing now, kinda accepting but kinda neutral, fair enough. Phil apologised, fair enough. All BAR NONE of the many PHers who contacted me about it were strongly disapproving of the article's introduction.
Then it happens again.
Phil, John, and Co, you need to get a grip.
Los Angeles said:
turbobloke said:
Then it happens again.
Forgive me, I don't follow this; do you mean the article has been reproduced extant in the CD reissue of that edition? Nah
Schoolboy smut re-appears in T911 disguised as journalism. Wifely voyeurism is recycled as dogging. Ya knows what ah meant ya big palooka
You lot have some seriously thin skins.
Must admit of the Porsche mags Ive tended to avoid Total911 because whenever I flick through it the articles always look boring as sh1te. If id have known they were talking about dogging and stuff in a 911 Id have subbed to it yonks ago! Anyway thanks to this thread I think I will at least go out and buy the latest issue for a laugh, because this article frankly sounds hilarious! Anything that can p1ss off a car geek is usually a good read.
Must admit of the Porsche mags Ive tended to avoid Total911 because whenever I flick through it the articles always look boring as sh1te. If id have known they were talking about dogging and stuff in a 911 Id have subbed to it yonks ago! Anyway thanks to this thread I think I will at least go out and buy the latest issue for a laugh, because this article frankly sounds hilarious! Anything that can p1ss off a car geek is usually a good read.
DJC said:
You lot have some seriously thin skins.
Must admit of the Porsche mags Ive tended to avoid Total911 because whenever I flick through it the articles always look boring as sh1te. If id have known they were talking about dogging and stuff in a 911 Id have subbed to it yonks ago! Anyway thanks to this thread I think I will at least go out and buy the latest issue for a laugh, because this article frankly sounds hilarious! Anything that can p1ss off a car geek is usually a good read.
Must admit of the Porsche mags Ive tended to avoid Total911 because whenever I flick through it the articles always look boring as sh1te. If id have known they were talking about dogging and stuff in a 911 Id have subbed to it yonks ago! Anyway thanks to this thread I think I will at least go out and buy the latest issue for a laugh, because this article frankly sounds hilarious! Anything that can p1ss off a car geek is usually a good read.
Yeah and sh@gging your mum up the @rse in the back of a 911 then writing about it in Forum is great fun too, didn't she tell you? All the exertion keeps the waistline down, useful for better acceleration.
Laughing at crap articles? Couldn't agree more. Posts on forums are a laugh too, you get these tasteless @rseholes posting up to look like jack the lad with a thick skin, criticising people with decency and taste as geeks when in reality the poster is no more than a shallow f
k wit perfecting their posturing as a lubricated one-handed internet typist. Having a sense of humour sure is is ace, you can just, er, say stuff
The porsche on your profile looks great btw.
turbobloke said:
DJC said:
You lot have some seriously thin skins.
Must admit of the Porsche mags Ive tended to avoid Total911 because whenever I flick through it the articles always look boring as sh1te. If id have known they were talking about dogging and stuff in a 911 Id have subbed to it yonks ago! Anyway thanks to this thread I think I will at least go out and buy the latest issue for a laugh, because this article frankly sounds hilarious! Anything that can p1ss off a car geek is usually a good read.
Must admit of the Porsche mags Ive tended to avoid Total911 because whenever I flick through it the articles always look boring as sh1te. If id have known they were talking about dogging and stuff in a 911 Id have subbed to it yonks ago! Anyway thanks to this thread I think I will at least go out and buy the latest issue for a laugh, because this article frankly sounds hilarious! Anything that can p1ss off a car geek is usually a good read.
Yeah and sh@gging your mum up the @rse in the back of a 911 then writing about it in Forum is great fun too, didn't she tell you? All the exertion keeps the waistline down, useful for better acceleration.
Laughing at crap articles? Couldn't agree more. Posts on forums are a laugh too, you get these tasteless @rseholes posting up to look like jack the lad with a thick skin, criticising people with decency and taste as geeks when in reality the poster is no more than a shallow f
k wit perfecting their posturing as a lubricated one-handed internet typist. Having a sense of humour sure is is ace, you can just, er, say stuff
The porsche on your profile looks great btw.
And? Ive heard far worse about my mum other the yrs and its never bothered me before....benefits of being the son of a bitch of a maths teacher in a small place and knowing all the local lads. You get over it pretty quickly.
There's a Porsche on my profile? F**k me, and there I was thinking the damn thing wasnt even due into my dealer until Nov!
flemke said:
DJC said:
...I think I will at least go out and buy the latest issue for a laugh...
Just look for the magazine with the insert printed on the cover: Porsche's Walter Rohl.
You would think that "the Porsche magazine" would get the man's name right.
First thing that struck me when I received my copy. They make the mistake everywhere except in the review itself, which was presumably written by someone else. The editor really *should* have picked this up.
Then again, the first issue to feature Sabine's 'Ring guide (yeah yeah...) spelt her name incorrectly as well, so they have some previous...
Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff