964RS....the return of the PIG ?
Discussion
ruane said:
I am not dissing any porsche specialist TECH9 or NINEMISTER. but who is open and available on Sat/Sun to give advice on my RS
I do spend nearly 60 hours a week working - here till 7.30 and then on the computer in front of the telly doing emails/quotes/designs/forums to well beyond midnight on most weekday nights, hence I choose not to work weekends. I can do Saturday morning by appointment if I am not racing or dragged away shopping, however Sundays are always a family day so you have got no chance on the sabbath.... 
rubystone said:
epoch911 said:
rubystone said:
In the '80s at least half a dozen genuine 2.7s raced in the Giroflex series...I saw several big shunts too...those cars are no doubt now nicely restored and their racing history "erased"....
Rubystone...my 2.7rs was one of those shunted in '89 in the Giroflex. Don't suppose you have any pics of the shunts you saw (or just pics of good old racing from the era for that matter?) I'd love a pic of it completely fecked for my wall!Ant
NineMeister said:
ruane said:
thank you for the advice yes I will take it to a specialist in body work ninemister being the first choice or should I bring it back to TECH 9?
Without wishing to diss Tech 9, the limitation would be that they use Lloyds Autobody for their repairs and paintwork, and although Lloyds are Porsche accredited repair shop they could never repair a 964 (or 993/996/997 for that matter) as well as Marc. Come over and have a look at our work if you are not convinced, then just make your decision on what you see.for the record, i do recall that 964RS, we NEVER had anything to do with any bodywork repairs on the car !!
we did however carry out some mechanical work on the car in general preparation for track days, but am sure we have not seen the car for 4 years+ IIRC ?
Ruane, I could assist you with some previous bills etc, if you need to build a history file ?
Well, you know me, Phil, bold is my middle name. I don't know the RS that is the subject of this thread so all my answers have been in a generic sense, however I also did not infer that T9 had anything to do with the bodywork of said car and until we see it I cannot comment any more really.
Regarding my bold statement, I know you use Lloyds (which is OK with me 'cause we are always booked up with work for months in advance) so my comments were based on the quality of repairs that we have seen from them and others in the OPC network. In a nutshell, the major difference between 9m and them is what you don't see. For example: we match the primer colour of our repairs to the original primer on the car; we paint the underside/inside of panels (wings, quarters, doors) before we fit them; we strip and paint over wing mounting bolts so that you cannot tell they have been removed; we match spot welds to the original pattern & placement; I could go on but I'm sure you get the drift. I'm definitely not saying that the OPC's cannot fit panels properly or paint them perfectly, but I am saying that there is a difference in the details.
In doing things the 9m Panelcraft way, come the day that you have a quarter panel fitted to your GT3RS as a result of an indiscression at the Nordschleiffe, when you come to sell it and have it inspected you would have the confidence that should anyone remove the rear trim & look inside the two quarter panels they would not be able to tell if one had been replaced, so you get the full asking price without question. Ask me anytime (in private) how I know....
All the best.
Regarding my bold statement, I know you use Lloyds (which is OK with me 'cause we are always booked up with work for months in advance) so my comments were based on the quality of repairs that we have seen from them and others in the OPC network. In a nutshell, the major difference between 9m and them is what you don't see. For example: we match the primer colour of our repairs to the original primer on the car; we paint the underside/inside of panels (wings, quarters, doors) before we fit them; we strip and paint over wing mounting bolts so that you cannot tell they have been removed; we match spot welds to the original pattern & placement; I could go on but I'm sure you get the drift. I'm definitely not saying that the OPC's cannot fit panels properly or paint them perfectly, but I am saying that there is a difference in the details.
In doing things the 9m Panelcraft way, come the day that you have a quarter panel fitted to your GT3RS as a result of an indiscression at the Nordschleiffe, when you come to sell it and have it inspected you would have the confidence that should anyone remove the rear trim & look inside the two quarter panels they would not be able to tell if one had been replaced, so you get the full asking price without question. Ask me anytime (in private) how I know....
All the best.
NineMeister said:
Regarding my bold statement, I know you use Lloyds (which is OK with me 'cause we are always booked up with work for months in advance) so my comments were based on the quality of repairs that we have seen from them and others in the OPC network. In a nutshell, the major difference between 9m and them is what you don't see. For example: we match the primer colour of our repairs to the original primer on the car; we paint the underside/inside of panels (wings, quarters, doors) before we fit them; we strip and paint over wing mounting bolts so that you cannot tell they have been removed; we match spot welds to the original pattern & placement; I could go on but I'm sure you get the drift. I'm definitely not saying that the OPC's cannot fit panels properly or paint them perfectly, but I am saying that there is a difference in the details.
In doing things the 9m Panelcraft way, come the day that you have a quarter panel fitted to your GT3RS as a result of an indiscression at the Nordschleiffe, when you come to sell it and have it inspected you would have the confidence that should anyone remove the rear trim & look inside the two quarter panels they would not be able to tell if one had been replaced, so you get the full asking price without question.
It seems to me that what you're saying is that you do a very thorough job - very good to know.In doing things the 9m Panelcraft way, come the day that you have a quarter panel fitted to your GT3RS as a result of an indiscression at the Nordschleiffe, when you come to sell it and have it inspected you would have the confidence that should anyone remove the rear trim & look inside the two quarter panels they would not be able to tell if one had been replaced, so you get the full asking price without question.
However - it seems to me that you are saying that you do a more thorough job than was done on the car originally - so in fact it IS possible to tell there's been work done - because it's been done better.
I was told once that (when inspecting a 964RS) that you can tell it hasn't been crashed/repaired in certain areas exactly because some panels do NOT get fully painted on the inside by the factory, but usually do by the bodywork repair outfits.
Personally I'd rather have it done better than original than mislead a buyer - but each to their own.
t, me.Just for the record Tech 9 has done some work on the RS but not the repairs, Tech 9 has a very good reputation that is why I bought the car thinking the works was done by them.
Phil has ofered to look and give me advice on the RS and hopfully It can be sorted, I did not intend to give anyone the wrong idea about Tech 9. Thanks Phil for help much appeciated.
Phil has ofered to look and give me advice on the RS and hopfully It can be sorted, I did not intend to give anyone the wrong idea about Tech 9. Thanks Phil for help much appeciated.
So much for all the naysayers. ruane's getting to the bottom of his car's history, Colin Belton has drummed up some interest in his offerings, tech 9's name is intact, we're getting a movie, and the car in question is back down to 30k.
If there's any tragedy here, it's that this thread demanded popcorn and I didn't have any.
If there's any tragedy here, it's that this thread demanded popcorn and I didn't have any.
Joe911 said:
However - it seems to me that you are saying that you do a more thorough job than was done on the car originally - so in fact it IS possible to tell there's been work done - because it's been done better.
I was told once that (when inspecting a 964RS) that you can tell it hasn't been crashed/repaired in certain areas exactly because some panels do NOT get fully painted on the inside by the factory, but usually do by the bodywork repair outfits.
Personally I'd rather have it done better than original than mislead a buyer - but each to their own.
If you are thinking about the boot floor area of a 964RS or 993RS, if we have done a repair or floor replacement we match the original primer colour first then "overspray" paint the exterior colour from the wing edges down, matching the level and depth of finish of the original factory paint. The last OPC repair of the boot floor of a Guards Red RHD 964RS that we inspected (some years ago, I add) had the boot area fully glossed, nicely covering the dust left in the spare wheel well for the factory "braille" finish that we know and love.I was told once that (when inspecting a 964RS) that you can tell it hasn't been crashed/repaired in certain areas exactly because some panels do NOT get fully painted on the inside by the factory, but usually do by the bodywork repair outfits.
Personally I'd rather have it done better than original than mislead a buyer - but each to their own.
Incidentally, not all RS's have an overspray finish, in fact a lot of the Clubsports are nigh on fully painted, but that's another story. We do a similar job underneath with a primer colour match and minimal colour (provided it's what the customer wants, of course).
NineMeister said:
Incidentally, not all RS's have an overspray finish, in fact a lot of the Clubsports are nigh on fully painted, but that's another story. We do a similar job underneath with a primer colour match and minimal colour (provided it's what the customer wants, of course).
The difference in the clubsport paint suprised me when I started looking for one, comparing what I thought I knew from regular RS, I was given the impression that every CS I saw had been spanked at the front. Thankfully not the case...shame really though, the thorough painting and all that unnecessary extra weight! 
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