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APOLO1 said:
ah, so now some one that tells the truth, Yes you are correct the 6RS has remained static or very close.....like I said there is good reason for this, in fact, its hard to find any P car, pre the 993 that has not gone up.....but not the 6RS, and neither will it, if it can not go up in this market, when will it...?
As for the 4.0, unlike the 6RS it is clearly loved by many......
Note I didn't state anything about the 6RS, I merely quoted you where you were saying that values were relatively static. You mention pre 993 Porsches all going up but not the 6RS.. which hardly makes any sense when the 6RS is obviously post 993....? As for the 4.0, unlike the 6RS it is clearly loved by many......
Still waiting for what you'll come up with on the cgt....
isaldiri said:
Note I didn't state anything about the 6RS, I merely quoted you where you were saying that values were relatively static. You mention pre 993 Porsches all going up but not the 6RS.. which hardly makes any sense when the 6RS is obviously post 993....?
Still waiting for what you'll come up with on the cgt....
cgt, very undervalued, when taking into account the background to the car......sorry typo, you know my point...Still waiting for what you'll come up with on the cgt....
Steve Rance said:
Chassis development, engine, road mule, etc...
Steve: I have read many of your posts in the past and found them very helpful. As someone with a lot of professional experience, how would you rate the RS lineup (in original spec) for track use? Say 964/993/996/997?. I mean track use as a regular non-professional track day driver.I am curious for a reason. I might at some stage buy something and keep it in Europe. I do think contributory reason to 996rs prices being a bit lower was that they were never federalized, so there is no North American market which takes away a big demand, rather than the merits of the car.
APOLO1 said:
cgt, very undervalued, when taking into account the background to the car......sorry typo, you know my point...
hah.. alright something sensible then this time. Was more interested in what you thought of the car itself rather than the value aspect but interesting anyway you think the cgt is undervalued but not the 6RS.APOLO1 said:
Steve Rance said:
Chassis development, engine, road mule, etc...
some, all of the above and more,.. the favoured one from what I recall is the 64....The 964rs is the favoured one, well Walter rohrl has one so that means all the test drivers who work for Porsche (all around the world) think the 964rs is the best and the 996rs is a dog!! Another Apollo jack anorey story!!!
Steve Rance said:
So Porsche have high level primary test and development drivers based all over the world?
you tell me.....? how about you give your views as to why the 6RS is at this level price wise, after all its low nos, RS badge, not many RHD, low price in comparison to other RSs, etc, and yet the market feels that its going no were price wise why is this what's wrong with it..?NIgt3 said:
"All of the above" these test drivers (around the world) you claim to know do they actually exist??
The 964rs is the favoured one, well Walter rohrl has one so that means all the test drivers who work for Porsche (all around the world) think the 964rs is the best and the 996rs is a dog!! Another Apollo jack anorey story!!!
again, not what I said is it......not the best RS was my "coin" of phrase.......again you tell me as to why the 6RS is this price point......its for reason....I note that 997RS, are having the balls to float some high asks, why is no one trying this with the 6RS? If it is such a divers car, is that not what the RS is all about......?The 964rs is the favoured one, well Walter rohrl has one so that means all the test drivers who work for Porsche (all around the world) think the 964rs is the best and the 996rs is a dog!! Another Apollo jack anorey story!!!
Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 5th June 19:04
RDMcG said:
Steve: I have read many of your posts in the past and found them very helpful. As someone with a lot of professional experience, how would you rate the RS lineup (in original spec) for track use? Say 964/993/996/997?. I mean track use as a regular non-professional track day driver.
I am curious for a reason. I might at some stage buy something and keep it in Europe. I do think contributory reason to 996rs prices being a bit lower was that they were never federalized, so there is no North American market which takes away a big demand, rather than the merits of the car.
In standard form I think the best RS's would be;I am curious for a reason. I might at some stage buy something and keep it in Europe. I do think contributory reason to 996rs prices being a bit lower was that they were never federalized, so there is no North American market which takes away a big demand, rather than the merits of the car.
996RS
993 Clubsport
964 Clubsport
Not in any particular order as they are all very good track tools. I did most of my driving setting up 996 GT3's in all guises but got to drive Quite a few 964 and 993's. Dynamically the 993 and 964 feel quite similar despite the revised 'optimised' rear geometry of the 993. The 996's have a lot more power and are capable of much higher speeds. The downsides are that the air cooled cars are derived from road cars and the 996's from race cars - the 996 cup was a quantum leap forward from the 993. They do need more effort and skill to extract their optimum performance as a result. You approach braking zones with a lot more speed in the 996 and you need to take a lot more brake into the apex which can be tricky. Even in sharp set up I find the air cooled cars more benign but ultimately slightly less rewarding. Consumable costs of the air cooled cars are lower so they are a more economical option - putting aside the capital cost of purchase.
In standard form the 997 is not as good as the above but with a good passive suspension set up, it's the best of the by bunch.
Steve Rance said:
In standard form I think the best RS's would be;
996RS
993 Clubsport
964 Clubsport
Not in any particular order as they are all very good track tools. I did most of my driving setting up 996 GT3's in all guises but got to drive Quite a few 964 and 993's. Dynamically the 993 and 964 feel quite similar despite the revised 'optimised' rear geometry of the 993. The 996's have a lot more power and are capable of much higher speeds. The downsides are that the air cooled cars are derived from road cars and the 996's from race cars - the 996 cup was a quantum leap forward from the 993. They do need more effort and skill to extract their optimum performance as a result. You approach braking zones with a lot more speed in the 996 and you need to take a lot more brake into the apex which can be tricky. Even in sharp set up I find the air cooled cars more benign but ultimately slightly less rewarding. Consumable costs of the air cooled cars are lower so they are a more economical option - putting aside the capital cost of purchase.
In standard form the 997 is not as good as the above but with a good passive suspension set up, it's the best of the by bunch.
Many thanks ..very helpful information.996RS
993 Clubsport
964 Clubsport
Not in any particular order as they are all very good track tools. I did most of my driving setting up 996 GT3's in all guises but got to drive Quite a few 964 and 993's. Dynamically the 993 and 964 feel quite similar despite the revised 'optimised' rear geometry of the 993. The 996's have a lot more power and are capable of much higher speeds. The downsides are that the air cooled cars are derived from road cars and the 996's from race cars - the 996 cup was a quantum leap forward from the 993. They do need more effort and skill to extract their optimum performance as a result. You approach braking zones with a lot more speed in the 996 and you need to take a lot more brake into the apex which can be tricky. Even in sharp set up I find the air cooled cars more benign but ultimately slightly less rewarding. Consumable costs of the air cooled cars are lower so they are a more economical option - putting aside the capital cost of purchase.
In standard form the 997 is not as good as the above but with a good passive suspension set up, it's the best of the by bunch.
APOLO1 said:
you tell me.....? how about you give your views as to why the 6RS is at this level price wise, after all its low nos, RS badge, not many RHD, low price in comparison to other RSs, etc, and yet the market feels that its going no were price wise why is this what's wrong with it..?
With respect, I'm not interested in justifying the price of anything. I'm interested in establishing who these international test drivers might be who all agree that the 996RS is not a good car?Could you please explain what they do and what countries they are seconded to from Porsche please?
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