Is the bubble about to burst?
Discussion
ooid said:
All jokes a side, to be honest, as much as I like 993s their reliability and the current prices still do not make any sense (for me at least). Just recently again a few weeks ago, saw a beautiful 993 carrera 4 being towed away near central London, over weekend. I think some of the clean, earlier water cooled versions (996 or 997) makes a bit more sense to make a fun purchase at least.
993's reliability? I thought 993's were known to be bombproof......no big known issues like the 996 or gen 1 997.Firstly @Steve 
You should do stand up for a living.
On the subject of looks and desirability, clearly there is huge subjectivity here and early influences have a big part to play. I entered the workforce in the early 90s when the 964 was coming to the end of its life and the 993 just beginning. So whilst my real world bank account was saving pennies to get me into something that could just about drop below 10 seconds to 60mph, in my dreams I would be drooling over the pert rear of a polar silver 993 C2. Now I just need to convince the wife a 5 car garage is essential for any normal self-respecting bloke.
You should do stand up for a living.On the subject of looks and desirability, clearly there is huge subjectivity here and early influences have a big part to play. I entered the workforce in the early 90s when the 964 was coming to the end of its life and the 993 just beginning. So whilst my real world bank account was saving pennies to get me into something that could just about drop below 10 seconds to 60mph, in my dreams I would be drooling over the pert rear of a polar silver 993 C2. Now I just need to convince the wife a 5 car garage is essential for any normal self-respecting bloke.
993s unreliable? Em no. Typically they are utterly reliable cars that feel very solid on the road. No squeaks or rattles with a real sense of engineering heft and with a character that only the aircooleds offer up. They are old cars now and despite many parts being well made they will need replaced due to age. The main areas however including body and engine / gearbox seem to hold up much better than prevuios AC's. These cars shouldn't be overly expensive to run and should hold their value at the very least. I suspect they'll continue to appreciate over time. Looks wise well again subjective. Front wings aren't as defined as previous ACs but you do get that gorgeous curvy body with its wide turbo like hips. It's a work of art from every angle. You need to see these cars in the flesh to appreciate this.
I don't think we're in a bubble. I think we're in a period of uncertainty that will pass. If that effects values on way or another right now I'm not bothered. I've got a car that I love driving and owning and I will continue to enjoy it whatever happens.
I don't think we're in a bubble. I think we're in a period of uncertainty that will pass. If that effects values on way or another right now I'm not bothered. I've got a car that I love driving and owning and I will continue to enjoy it whatever happens.
Edited by Solarized on Tuesday 9th August 10:42
ooid said:
All jokes a side, to be honest, as much as I like 993s their reliability and the current prices still do not make any sense (for me at least). Just recently again a few weeks ago, saw a beautiful 993 carrera 4 being towed away near central London, over weekend. I think some of the clean, earlier water cooled versions (996 or 997) makes a bit more sense to make a fun purchase at least.
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I know if you play, the waiting game the car can become out of your reach price wise.
Edited by SEE YA on Tuesday 9th August 10:00
SEE YA said:
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Spot on, 996 turbo and the Boxster S are the next jumpers following the route of the 930.IMO that was my tip two years ago. I know if you play, the waiting game the car can become out of your reach price wise.
t that goes wrong'; actuators, valves, intercoolers, heat shields... You can buy new, but the depreciation is generally even worse than maintaining a 15 year old car. 
The fear that a car would rise to the point of being out of reach spurred me to action. I'd already effectively decided a GT3 was out of my budget, and though the 996 turbos could go the same way.
By the way Tyinsky, that 993 wide body looks beautiful!
Edited by Digga on Tuesday 9th August 10:24
yes, very easily. the rubber grip on the back of the frame has two widths, dependent on the size of the air vents you want to attach it to. you just use the slightly wider width & it fits perfectly in the centre of the two central vents & will hold the weight of your phone without sagging
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Very good, yes. Can use it either way up. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00D901B4W/ref...stevewak said:
Very good, yes. Can use it either way up. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00D901B4W/ref...
You can get these on eBay for less than a fiver (search for Kenu Airframe). I currently have them in all my cars.
Gents, my point about the reliability mainly about giving weird errors that can not be sorted quickly.(Air cooled engines, do need careful examination and yeah big bills) We all do have many stories about these either personal or friends. I love 993s, they are amazing cars, always say there is no discussion about it. Just thinking current prices might still adjust slowly, the red variocam was not the only over-priced example. The reason I have started to look at earlier 996 or 997, yes there are crap tons of things might go wrong with them but almost everyone is aware of their problems and diagnosis, still even with a hefty engine rebuild, they do come way cheaper than 993 and comparing to driving experience I do not think there is a massive difference, for me at least, comparing to current prices.
I do not like the idea of investing in cars too, I tend to get one and keep it min. 5-6 years unless they have something massive wrong with them. So maybe, I might get a very unloved, super abused 993 and slowly sort it out by myself with a bit of help. In that way, even if they go wrong, I would not give a toss about it, since it was not a £££
I do not like the idea of investing in cars too, I tend to get one and keep it min. 5-6 years unless they have something massive wrong with them. So maybe, I might get a very unloved, super abused 993 and slowly sort it out by myself with a bit of help. In that way, even if they go wrong, I would not give a toss about it, since it was not a £££
ooid said:
Gents, my point about the reliability mainly about giving weird errors that can not be sorted quickly.(Air cooled engines, do need careful examination and yeah big bills) We all do have many stories about these either personal or friends. I love 993s, they are amazing cars, always say there is no discussion about it. Just thinking current prices might still adjust slowly, the red variocam was not the only over-priced example. The reason I have started to look at earlier 996 or 997, yes there are crap tons of things might go wrong with them but almost everyone is aware of their problems and diagnosis, still even with a hefty engine rebuild, they do come way cheaper than 993 and comparing to driving experience I do not think there is a massive difference, for me at least, comparing to current prices.
I do not like the idea of investing in cars too, I tend to get one and keep it min. 5-6 years unless they have something massive wrong with them. So maybe, I might get a very unloved, super abused 993 and slowly sort it out by myself with a bit of help. In that way, even if they go wrong, I would not give a toss about it, since it was not a £££
997 remains one of the best drives / Porsche ownership experiences I have ever had. And I am lucky enough to have had a few. My wife point blank refuses to sell hers. She wants to be buried in it. I do not like the idea of investing in cars too, I tend to get one and keep it min. 5-6 years unless they have something massive wrong with them. So maybe, I might get a very unloved, super abused 993 and slowly sort it out by myself with a bit of help. In that way, even if they go wrong, I would not give a toss about it, since it was not a £££
993 nice car (I had a polar C2 varioram back in the day) but doesn't look right to me - and never will.
Edited by drmark on Tuesday 9th August 13:21
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