Simply stated, difference between GT2 and GT3...?
Discussion
kayc said:
superlightr said:
kayc said:
Oddball RS said:
"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"
"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat."When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.
Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.
Edited by kayc on Thursday 2nd November 16:36
t that you mention is but I'm sure it's fitted to your car kayc.
superlightr said:
kayc said:
Oddball RS said:
"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"
"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat."When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.
Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.
Not sure about the braking thing. Based on standard brakes and on road use only, the weak point on my 993 Turbo was the brakes. The Mk1 GT3 I had after that was better, but I can understand why people upgrade on GT3's. As a comparison the ceramics on my GT2 are amazing, and they slow the car with the same force as it goes forward.
Pugsey said:
kayc said:
superlightr said:
kayc said:
Oddball RS said:
"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"
"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat."When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.
Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.
Edited by kayc on Thursday 2nd November 16:36
t that you mention is but I'm sure it's fitted to your car kayc.i'm sorry 4wd does not give more grip in the wet than 2wd
hell yer it does and i love my tt in the wet it's a gem just need's wipers on the side window's 
freemax said:
cyberface said:
Difference?
1, shurely.
1, shurely.
Ah, that helps...
So if you put together two GT2s and one of them is an RS, do you end up with an RS4?
I like you're thinking......... and I'm sure if you had two GT2s, and one an RS, depreciation would probably lead to an RS4!
But why do that? why not buy a small Renault hatchback, a defunct Rover saloon and a badge from your local BMW dealer, HEY PRESTO! a 575M
lynchygt3 said:
Pugsey said:
kayc said:
superlightr said:
kayc said:
Oddball RS said:
"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"
"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat."When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.
Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.
Edited by kayc on Thursday 2nd November 16:36
t that you mention is but I'm sure it's fitted to your car kayc.i'm sorry 4wd does not give more grip in the wet than 2wd
hell yer it does and i love my tt in the wet it's a gem just need's wipers on the side window's Gentlemen, are we not confusing grip with traction here ?
A TT will certainly have more traction in the wet due to the fact that a certain percentage of its power will be being sent to the front wheels.
As I understand it the less power you try to put through a tyres contact patch the more sideways grip it will be able to generate ?
When The original Quattro came out a fair few ended up in "high speed off road parking manouvres"
why ? simply because lots of owners thought that the four wheel drive system would allow them to overcome the laws of physics.
Try barrelling into an 80mph corner in TT or a GT2 at 120mph and the result will be the same (tears and and a bent car !)
Enter the said corner at 80mph in both cars in the wet and you'll be able to get the power down far more effectively (and earlier) in the TT and thus make better use of the tyres grip and corner quicker and thus exit said corner quicker ?
Edited by slippydiff on Thursday 2nd November 21:11
Freemax the simple answer is that you have do drive both and then make your own mind up. GT3 is lighter than the GT2. GT2 produces more power than a GT3 and can easily be chipped to produce around the 550 bhp mark. I've only ever driven 996 Supercup Cars (apart from a gemballa 600 based on a 996 GT3 club sport) so I cannot comment on the GT2/GT3. They are phenominal and make a 964RS feel slow. However the 964 RS is far more user friendly on the limit. Certainly the GT3 has a flat power band so you don't get that rush of power that makes most air cooled 911's feel quick. Perhaps you should go drive a 3.3 turbo 11 or 965 3.6 if you can find one. Personally I am not in love with the crappy interiors and dash layout of the later cars.
As an example at le mans this year a good mate went for a spin in another mates GT2 making around 575bhp and on ceramic brakes. He until recently owned a 965 3.6 Turbo but due to financial issues it had to be sold. When he got back we all asked what do you think. Steve's reply "its quick". Would he want one or me for that matter the answer is no. When he has a few quid his dream is a yellowbird. I hope he fulfills his dream. My gut feeling is that if you genuinely love the 3.2 then neither the GT2 or GT3 will ring your bell. They are both fantastically competent cars but that is it.
As an example at le mans this year a good mate went for a spin in another mates GT2 making around 575bhp and on ceramic brakes. He until recently owned a 965 3.6 Turbo but due to financial issues it had to be sold. When he got back we all asked what do you think. Steve's reply "its quick". Would he want one or me for that matter the answer is no. When he has a few quid his dream is a yellowbird. I hope he fulfills his dream. My gut feeling is that if you genuinely love the 3.2 then neither the GT2 or GT3 will ring your bell. They are both fantastically competent cars but that is it.
francisb said:
964RS said:
perhaps if there was such a thing as a GT2 RS...
a proper lightweight gt2?
im working on it...
well, andy "if it unbolts or you can cut it off, make it from carbon" fearns is
Still? Is there going to be a 998 by the time i get a passenger ride or is the passenger seat extra weight so being removed?
bund said:
francisb said:
964RS said:
perhaps if there was such a thing as a GT2 RS...
a proper lightweight gt2?
im working on it...
well, andy "if it unbolts or you can cut it off, make it from carbon" fearns is
Still? Is there going to be a 998 by the time i get a passenger ride or is the passenger seat extra weight so being removed?
it is taking a while. in fairness its all my fault, i've changed the spec so often, what started as a poor mans ruf has slowly morphed into an all out rsr style gt2. its even gone from a LHD shell to a completely different RHD fully caged shell. now if i can just get my hands on a sequential box... i think i am a nightmare customer.
edit... i picked up one of the seats last night. they weigh nothing. we can keep 2.
Edited by francisb on Friday 3rd November 09:43
slippydiff said:
lynchygt3 said:
Pugsey said:
kayc said:
superlightr said:
kayc said:
Oddball RS said:
"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"
"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat."When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.
Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.
Edited by kayc on Thursday 2nd November 16:36
t that you mention is but I'm sure it's fitted to your car kayc.i'm sorry 4wd does not give more grip in the wet than 2wd
hell yer it does and i love my tt in the wet it's a gem just need's wipers on the side window's Gentlemen, are we not confusing grip with traction here ?
A TT will certainly have more traction in the wet due to the fact that a certain percentage of its power will be being sent to the front wheels.
As I understand it the less power you try to put through a tyres contact patch the more sideways grip it will be able to generate ?
When The original Quattro came out a fair few ended up in "high speed off road parking manouvres"
why ? simply because lots of owners thought that the four wheel drive system would allow them to overcome the laws of physics.
Try barrelling into an 80mph corner in TT or a GT2 at 120mph and the result will be the same (tears and and a bent car !)
Enter the said corner at 80mph in both cars in the wet and you'll be able to get the power down far more effectively (and earlier) in the TT and thus make better use of the tyres grip and corner quicker and thus exit said corner quicker ?
Edited by slippydiff on Thursday 2nd November 21:11
lynchygt3 said:
Pugsey said:
kayc said:
superlightr said:
kayc said:
Oddball RS said:
"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"
"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat."When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.
Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.
Edited by kayc on Thursday 2nd November 16:36
t that you mention is but I'm sure it's fitted to your car kayc.i'm sorry 4wd does not give more grip in the wet than 2wd
hell yer it does and i love my tt in the wet it's a gem just need's wipers on the side window's 
slippydiff said:
lynchygt3 said:
Pugsey said:
kayc said:
superlightr said:
kayc said:
Oddball RS said:
"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"
"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat."When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"
What could i possibly say to add to this????
dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.
Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.
Edited by kayc on Thursday 2nd November 16:36
t that you mention is but I'm sure it's fitted to your car kayc.i'm sorry 4wd does not give more grip in the wet than 2wd
hell yer it does and i love my tt in the wet it's a gem just need's wipers on the side window's Gentlemen, are we not confusing grip with traction here ?
A TT will certainly have more traction in the wet due to the fact that a certain percentage of its power will be being sent to the front wheels.
As I understand it the less power you try to put through a tyres contact patch the more sideways grip it will be able to generate ?
When The original Quattro came out a fair few ended up in "high speed off road parking manouvres"
why ? simply because lots of owners thought that the four wheel drive system would allow them to overcome the laws of physics.
Try barrelling into an 80mph corner in TT or a GT2 at 120mph and the result will be the same (tears and and a bent car !)
Enter the said corner at 80mph in both cars in the wet and you'll be able to get the power down far more effectively (and earlier) in the TT and thus make better use of the tyres grip and corner quicker and thus exit said corner quicker ?
Edited by slippydiff on Thursday 2nd November 21:11
I must have made this point 100's of times to the hard of understanding. Its fantastic in the corners because its got 4 wheel drive, init!
Er......no........
Saved me a job, thanks!
....and hard of understanding was not a reference to anyone on this thread, well not yet anyway
Edited by housemaster on Friday 3rd November 18:25
Lots of usual bullshit on this thread...is it grip?is it tracton? etc.Bottom line is simple..a 4wd car has the ability to travel quickly in poor conditions easier than a 2wd car.Hence all top rally cars that drive in really poor conditions are 4wd..they get more grip and have the ability to deliver the power to the road.Mitsubishi and Subaru have spent millions to produce awesome 4wd systems for that reason.A gt2 in the wet is a handful whereas a tt is probably one of the safest cars of any in those conditions.So forget the play on words ,if its minus 2 and pissing with rain leave the gt2/gt3/csl in the garage and use your spare tt because it will be a lot quicker and a lot safer.
Edited by kayc on Friday 3rd November 19:39
Edited by kayc on Friday 3rd November 19:40
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