RE: Porsche boss attacks EU plans

[Johan G]

Whatever happened to "Vorsprung durch technik" and such statements from German car manufacturers. I'm sure that it would be an easy thing for Porsche's engineers to convert their engines to run on some renewable fuel. Why not E85 for example? Doing that would actually increase bhp output at the same time as the car is running on fuel less damaging to the environment.

Stop moaning and get to work is my comment!

Edited to add: Here are some current facts about E85: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85


Johan

Edited by Johan G on Monday 29th January 18:44

[mybrainhurts]

EU membership benefit No2......Trading Harmony

You've got to smile, haven't you...?

[cyberface]

There's too much cynicism in this thread.

If anything, individual petrolheads should be happy that CEOs of major car manufacturers are stepping up to fight against the bullshit from increasingly arrogant Europe-wide government that continually ignores the population - the constant erosion of democracy towards some form of 'rule by the elite' or oligarchy run by those rich enough to go their own way.

Basically, without serious joined-up action from individual petrolheads (which is unlikely), the people with real power to fight the Euro-government crap are the big businessmen - the CEOs with the serious cash to buy political clout.

There are plenty of problems with current 'democracy' which, basically, isn't democracy at all but actually dictated by the most connected / well funded pressure groups - however it can be turned to our advantage if the CEOs of the biggest performance car manufacturers take a stand. Wendy is hardly the most passionate Porsche boss to have in this role but hey, at least it's something. No doubt his motives are hardly altruistic (they are most certainly only financial) but he'll be able to shout louder (and be listened to) more than scattered individual petrolheads...

[jmatras]

Which explains why the U.S. has declined to join Kyoto and the World Court. Bad enough having do deal with the govt at home much less (frequently) hostile and unelected international organizations.

[mybrainhurts]

Don't quite catch your drift, but I hope you aren't in favour of Kyoto..?

[cardigankid]

Its time we stood up to these damned Euro-hypocrites who attack everyone's lifestyle bar their own.

[Thom]

That's funny isn't it.

Whenever I've visited a big french or italian city I've experienced levels of air pollution uncomfortable to the point I wished I were in a german big city (Frankfurt and Hamburg spring to mind).

How can the stupid french and their utter crap diseasel shitboxes could actually prove more emission-friendly than the German's ?

Edited by Thom on Tuesday 30th January 20:03

[Gulliver911]

Thom said:

How can the stupid french and their utter crap diseasel shitboxes could actually prove more emission-friendly than the German's ?

Because of the top 10 vehicle with the lowest emission, 6 are small Hdi diesel engines perhaps ?

5 being Peugeot, Citroen and Renault cars ?

Nul point for research Thom.

[nel]

Gulliver911 said:

Because of the top 10 vehicle with the lowest emission, 6 are small Hdi diesel engines perhaps ?

5 being Peugeot, Citroen and Renault cars ?

Nul point for research Thom.

Efficient no doubt, but they still stink - the streets of Paris are a permanent miasma of diesel fumes, and the whole city sits under a great brown cloud of pollution that you can see from a distance as you drive towards it. Even the people driving 5,000 kms a year misguidedly buy diesels here in France, despite all the economic studies showing that they're pissing money up the wall. It's become part of the national identity now - drive smelly cars and eat smelly cheeses...

Edited by nel on Wednesday 31st January 08:35

[flemke]

nel said:

It's become part of the national identity now - drive smelly cars and eat smelly cheeses...

...and don't bother to bathe, because what difference would it make?

[jmatras]

mybrainhurts said:

Don't quite catch your drift, but I hope you aren't in favour of Kyoto..?

Join Kyoto? Sure, I want the U.S. to join Kyoto. That way in addition to having to compete economically with China's slave labor--borrowing some of the worst features of the Industrial Revolution--but also allow them to pollute like a f*rting cigar smoker p!ssing on your pants while taking a dump on your shoes, while we (you too, actually) hamstring our economy chasing some dubious global warming/carbon emission rules.

To which, I'll add, France and Germany missed their carbon emission goals and widely so. But I guess it's all OK if you promise to do something, don't do it but complain while others don't make the same promise.

Or in other words, no, I'm <i>not</i> in favor of Kyoto.

[Thom]

flemke said:

...and don't bother to bathe, because what difference would it make?

Obviously not much to British folks with eating habits bad to a point they can't even smell the difference between cheese and diesel.

[flemke]

Thom said:

flemke said:

...and don't bother to bathe, because what difference would it make?

Obviously not much to British folks with eating habits bad to a point they can't even smell the difference between cheese and diesel.

There's a difference?

[2something]

Thom said:

flemke said:

...and don't bother to bathe, because what difference would it make?

Obviously not much to British folks with eating habits bad to a point they can't even smell the difference between cheese and diesel.

This is ideal when drinking some Alsace Gewurztraminer as they are meant to have a diesel Bouquet ! The idea wine for a PetrolHead

[Thom]

I can assure you this Gewurzt I drank when I last visited my family didn't taste/smell like diesel.



Anyway, if I have to chose between greenhouse effect and lung cancer caused by micro particles emitted by diesel engines then I chose the greenhouse effect, thank you.