New Cayenne Diesel - Amazing Figures !
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I believe the new Cayenne diesel has start/stop technology which will improve the urban mpg. I think it is the first 3 litre diesel 4x4 to have this technology. The Audi A8 has the same technology on it's new 3.0 diesel, so I expect it will soon be on the Audi's.
The start/stop technology is available on all the Cayenne models with the 8 speed Steptronic gearbox.
The start/stop technology is available on all the Cayenne models with the 8 speed Steptronic gearbox.
Christer: Sorry I didn't have the energy for a proper rant 
RichB said:
I drove a cheap group 1 hire car (may have been a VW but I can't remember) in Denmark which had start/stop 'technology', annoyed the crap out of me. It's a strange feeling having the car stall on you every time you pull up at the lights!
Haven't all the new BMWs got this? I was (cough) looking at the new Z4 (cough) vs the Boxster and noticed it seemed to have that. Rich - do you just start these up and drive - or turn it on, press the gas and it starts itself??BMW does have start stop technology but only on 2 litre manual diesels.
Audi/VW/Porsche are the first to offer it on 3 litre automatics. It should make a noticeable difference to consumption. I understand the BMW system can be turned off if you don't want to use it.
All part no doubt of having to toe some european efficiency line.
Audi/VW/Porsche are the first to offer it on 3 litre automatics. It should make a noticeable difference to consumption. I understand the BMW system can be turned off if you don't want to use it.
All part no doubt of having to toe some european efficiency line.
I would be interested to know how people get on with these Stop/Start systems in practice. I had assumed that they could just be there to improve the CO2 figures, which could have a beneficial impact on VED etc. but that they would invariably be kept in the off position by a large number of users.
What I have learned is that the systems themselves are 'intelligent' in that they recognise when you really need to keep the engine on (to warm or cool the cabin via the a/c compressor pump) so they are not as daft as they sound!
Interesting to see the comparison against the Q5 above. I had never really thought that Q5 options were reasonably priced but I may be wrong there. Where is cannot really compete though is in rear legroom as the Cayenne is now usefully bigger!
What I have learned is that the systems themselves are 'intelligent' in that they recognise when you really need to keep the engine on (to warm or cool the cabin via the a/c compressor pump) so they are not as daft as they sound!
Interesting to see the comparison against the Q5 above. I had never really thought that Q5 options were reasonably priced but I may be wrong there. Where is cannot really compete though is in rear legroom as the Cayenne is now usefully bigger!
Globulator said:
RichB said:
I drove a cheap group 1 hire car (may have been a VW but I can't remember) in Denmark which had start/stop 'technology', annoyed the crap out of me. It's a strange feeling having the car stall on you every time you pull up at the lights!
Rich - do you just start these up and drive - or turn it on, press the gas and it starts itself??
being of a certain age (I still remember pulling out the choke) I prefer to be in control of the engine not some silicon chip. Hi guys, funnily enough we looked at the new cayenne's in geneva, not a bad looking bit of kit for a 4x4 now.
we were told by one of the UK dealers who had flown out to see it that as said above it would do 38mpg, and most of the reason is that it was 500kg lighter than the old model.
I find both figures almost unbelievable but it could explain why if true.
we were told by one of the UK dealers who had flown out to see it that as said above it would do 38mpg, and most of the reason is that it was 500kg lighter than the old model.
I find both figures almost unbelievable but it could explain why if true.
TISPKJ said:
Hi guys, funnily enough we looked at the new cayenne's in geneva, not a bad looking bit of kit for a 4x4 now.
we were told by one of the UK dealers who had flown out to see it that as said above it would do 38mpg, and most of the reason is that it was 500kg lighter than the old model.
I find both figures almost unbelievable but it could explain why if true.
Yes that is the official combined fuel economy, due to a host of efficiencies, but I think the weight saving is probably nearer 500lbs (or 250kg).we were told by one of the UK dealers who had flown out to see it that as said above it would do 38mpg, and most of the reason is that it was 500kg lighter than the old model.
I find both figures almost unbelievable but it could explain why if true.
The new diesel does look very tempting - fuel economy figures are better even than for the hybrid version (although hybrid is a touch faster).
Our Lexus hybrid has stop/start technology - it is weird to sit at the lights in total silence but a good system esp in heavy London traffic. In a hybrid though the car moves off totally smoothly with the electric motors with the petrol engine then seamlessly taking over depending on how hard you accelerate.
Our Lexus hybrid has stop/start technology - it is weird to sit at the lights in total silence but a good system esp in heavy London traffic. In a hybrid though the car moves off totally smoothly with the electric motors with the petrol engine then seamlessly taking over depending on how hard you accelerate.
Edited by Erik997 on Wednesday 17th March 10:03
Hugo a Gogo said:
manufacturers figures are total bulls
t, based on totally unrealistic simulated use
even then not calculated from actual fuel use, but back-calculated from exhaust emissions
Which is ironic as the CO2 figure and the MPG should always match between models, but they don't.t, based on totally unrealistic simulated useeven then not calculated from actual fuel use, but back-calculated from exhaust emissions
I.e: What goes in should always be what comes out!
mmm ok;
So, anyone care to check up on KN Turbo mk1 published combined figures ? think it's published at around 18mpg
I keep a track of my fuel (lots of miles / business etc) and I'm just short of 20mpg over a years worth of driving.
That's real, not just the computer.
Would I buy a diesel....?
possibly, but it would have to depreciate a lot !
oh, and they've dropped the low ratio box.
not a good option - it got a fair bit of use this winter
I bought mine last year cos we live in a remote rural area - so far this winter it has been a lifesaver - literally.
oh, and it's fun to drive.
but not quite as much as my GT3 CS
David
So, anyone care to check up on KN Turbo mk1 published combined figures ? think it's published at around 18mpg
I keep a track of my fuel (lots of miles / business etc) and I'm just short of 20mpg over a years worth of driving.
That's real, not just the computer.
Would I buy a diesel....?
possibly, but it would have to depreciate a lot !
oh, and they've dropped the low ratio box.
not a good option - it got a fair bit of use this winter
I bought mine last year cos we live in a remote rural area - so far this winter it has been a lifesaver - literally.
oh, and it's fun to drive.
but not quite as much as my GT3 CS
David
Hugo a Gogo said:
manufacturers figures are total bullst, based on totally unrealistic simulated use
even then not calculated from actual fuel use, but back-calculated from exhaust emissions
So tey might be but most report Porsches figures as quite realistic both consumption & performance.t, based on totally unrealistic simulated useeven then not calculated from actual fuel use, but back-calculated from exhaust emissions
RichB said:
I drove a cheap group 1 hire car (may have been a VW but I can't remember) in Denmark which had start/stop 'technology', annoyed the crap out of me. It's a strange feeling having the car stall on you every time you pull up at the lights!
You can turn the Porsche system off if it annoys you, but the one in the Panamera I tested was very clever and not annoying in the slightest! The system only takes effect once the car is fully warm and charged - ie. if you've started it from cold and have the heaters, lights, demisters, etc. on the engine will remain on. The only reason it doesn't feel 'right' is because one's natural reaction is to think you've stalled or something's broken!pikey said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
manufacturers figures are total bullst, based on totally unrealistic simulated use
even then not calculated from actual fuel use, but back-calculated from exhaust emissions
I often get better fuel consumption from my 997 than the figures quoted.t, based on totally unrealistic simulated useeven then not calculated from actual fuel use, but back-calculated from exhaust emissions
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