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Going for a manual so not sure how important Sport Chrono is , i's just that the car i tried had the engine mounts and tourque vectoring on it so you never know how car will feel without these options - bit of a blind leap. I might just say sod it and put them on anyway , car is already 58 in a standard colour and no PDK - so what's a couple of grand extra !! It get's you like that after a bit.
Wife has said if i go for the Orange and Grey interior she is not going in it ! then again !
Only plus is that to make my mind up i tested a 991 the same day and the Boxter was way better , the steering was awful on the 991 , with the car seeming to wander about and tramline badly ( nowhere near as good as the GT3 or even the GTS ), so at least the Boster still seems cheap against a 991 Cab.
Wife has said if i go for the Orange and Grey interior she is not going in it ! then again !
Only plus is that to make my mind up i tested a 991 the same day and the Boxter was way better , the steering was awful on the 991 , with the car seeming to wander about and tramline badly ( nowhere near as good as the GT3 or even the GTS ), so at least the Boster still seems cheap against a 991 Cab.
Advan - I think only dynamic gearbox mounts on the Boxster, no dynamic engine mounts ala GT3.
Geoff - If no PTV on that car and PSM is turned off, then I wonder what causes the breaking? It certainly looks like something PTV would do. Maybe Porsche technician got it wrong and car did have PTV in. Seems unusual for demo cars not to have it.
Geoff - If no PTV on that car and PSM is turned off, then I wonder what causes the breaking? It certainly looks like something PTV would do. Maybe Porsche technician got it wrong and car did have PTV in. Seems unusual for demo cars not to have it.
Advan said:
it's just that the car i tried had the engine mounts and tourque vectoring on it so you never know how car will feel without these options - bit of a blind leap.
Wow, that's the first test car I've heard of with PTV. They pretty much all seem to have Sport Chrono.Advan said:
I might just say sod it and put them on anyway , car is already 58 in a standard colour and no PDK - so what's a couple of grand extra !! It get's you like that after a bit.
so at least the Boster still seems cheap against a 991 Cab.
That's pretty much where I ended up, helped by waiting 3 months before they froze the spec and the inevitable urges to keep adding things with the "it's only another X hundred pounds" mentality. It didn't seem too bad as I kept comparing it to the £100K for a decent 991 S Cab. The only thing that stopped me was the barrier of a big round number (£60K), otherwise I would have liked GT Silver, full leather, painted roll bars, silver seat belts, aluminium trim and a sports exhaust, not to mention cruise, dimming mirrors and home link. £65K for an "full" spec! so at least the Boster still seems cheap against a 991 Cab.
Advan said:
Wife has said if i go for the Orange and Grey interior she is not going in it !
Very sensible lady ...Options that have no resale value I can just about cope with, but options that are likely to actively reduce resale value are too much for me!
Cheers,
Geoff
Carl_Docklands said:
Advan - I think only dynamic gearbox mounts on the Boxster, no dynamic engine mounts ala GT3.
I understand that they use the dynamic mounts on the bit that sticks out at the back, so on the mid engined Boxster it is the gearbox and on the 911 it is the engine. So the effect may be similar, as it better controls the weight at the back of each car, though I suspect it does more on the 911 as the engine is probably heavier than the Boxster's gearbox. All to do with Moments of Inertia, I would say, if my 32 year old Advanced Maths hasn't let me down.Carl_Docklands said:
Geoff - If no PTV on that car and PSM is turned off, then I wonder what causes the breaking? It certainly looks like something PTV would do. Maybe Porsche technician got it wrong and car did have PTV in. Seems unusual for demo cars not to have it.
Not tried it of course, but reading the descriptions PTV should only dab the inside rear brake on forceful cornering. I am sure PSM actively uses all the brakes to maintain stability in extremis, and it can't be entirely disabled. The way he was driving could certainly be considered extreme, and the PSM components ABD and ASR, which can't be disabled, may well have been using the brakes to try and maintain stability and traction.Porsche said:
Enhanced Porsche Stability Management (PSM) is fitted as standard. This system automatically maintains stability even at the limits of dynamic driving performance. Sensors continuously monitor the speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration of the car. Using this information, PSM is able to calculate the actual direction of travel at any given moment. If the car begins to oversteer or understeer, PSM applies selective braking on individual wheels in order to restore stability.
Under acceleration on wet or low-grip road surfaces, PSM improves traction – as well as agility and safety – using the automatic brake differential (ABD) and antislip regulation (ASR). Integrated ABS is designed to minimise braking distances.
If you prefer an ever sportier drive, PSM can be switched off. For your safety, however, PSM remains set to intervene if the vehicle is braked and ABS assistance is required. ABS and ABD remain switched on at all times. Also included with PSM are engine drag torque control (EDC), precharging of the brake system and brake assist. If you suddenly release the accelerator pedal, PSM automatically prepares for your next action: the braking system is precharged so that the brake pads are already in light contact with the brake discs. Maximum braking power is therefore achieved much sooner. Brake assist detects a panic braking situation and generates the brake pressure required for maximum deceleration.
Under acceleration on wet or low-grip road surfaces, PSM improves traction – as well as agility and safety – using the automatic brake differential (ABD) and antislip regulation (ASR). Integrated ABS is designed to minimise braking distances.
If you prefer an ever sportier drive, PSM can be switched off. For your safety, however, PSM remains set to intervene if the vehicle is braked and ABS assistance is required. ABS and ABD remain switched on at all times. Also included with PSM are engine drag torque control (EDC), precharging of the brake system and brake assist. If you suddenly release the accelerator pedal, PSM automatically prepares for your next action: the braking system is precharged so that the brake pads are already in light contact with the brake discs. Maximum braking power is therefore achieved much sooner. Brake assist detects a panic braking situation and generates the brake pressure required for maximum deceleration.
Porsche said:
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
This optional system for increasing dynamic performance and stability varies the distribution of torque to the rear wheels and includes a mechanically locking rear differential.
When the car is driven assertively into a corner, moderate brake pressure is applied to the inside rear wheel. Consequently, a greater amount of drive force is distributed to the outside rear wheel, inducing an additional rotational pulse (yaw movement) around the vehicle’s vertical axis. This results in a direct and sporty steering action as the car enters the corner.
At low and medium vehicle speeds, PTV significantly increases agility and steering precision. At high speeds and when accelerating out of corners, the rear differential lock ensures greater driving stability on a range of surface conditions, including the wet and snow.
It will be interesting to see if I can recognise the effect of the PTV on my car? Really I only got it for the LSD and I am pretty sure that if provoked I can tell when the LSD is there, or rather I was able to detect it's absence on my previous 987, over the LSD equipped M3 I had before it.This optional system for increasing dynamic performance and stability varies the distribution of torque to the rear wheels and includes a mechanically locking rear differential.
When the car is driven assertively into a corner, moderate brake pressure is applied to the inside rear wheel. Consequently, a greater amount of drive force is distributed to the outside rear wheel, inducing an additional rotational pulse (yaw movement) around the vehicle’s vertical axis. This results in a direct and sporty steering action as the car enters the corner.
At low and medium vehicle speeds, PTV significantly increases agility and steering precision. At high speeds and when accelerating out of corners, the rear differential lock ensures greater driving stability on a range of surface conditions, including the wet and snow.
In reality, the PTV was not a clear decision and I could have easily gone the other way. For some reason the Sport Chrono was something I tried to leave off but could not bring myself to do, for reasons I don't quite understand. I think fear of regretting not spec'ing things can be a large factor in some of these decisions, especially when you need to keep the car for a long time.
Cheers,
Geoff
Edited by gbrownzen on Monday 7th May 16:59
Edited by gbrownzen on Monday 7th May 22:13
What swayed me on PTV was:
More than likely I've been suckered by the sales pitch though
No regrets.
Porsche said:
when accelerating out of corners, the rear differential lock ensures greater driving stability on a range of surface conditions, including the wet and snow.
The car will be a daily driver for me, and thus more than likely will have to deal with less than optimal driving conditions all year round. Once I read that I decided I would rather have it and never need it, than need it and not have it.More than likely I've been suckered by the sales pitch though
No regrets.
Wivelrod said:
What swayed me on PTV was:
More than likely I've been suckered by the sales pitch though
No regrets.
Cannot argue with having a slip-diff, I love mine but I think the pitch about rain and snow gives the wrong impression, at least on the 987Porsche said:
when accelerating out of corners, the rear differential lock ensures greater driving stability on a range of surface conditions, including the wet and snow.
The car will be a daily driver for me, and thus more than likely will have to deal with less than optimal driving conditions all year round. Once I read that I decided I would rather have it and never need it, than need it and not have it.More than likely I've been suckered by the sales pitch though
No regrets.
I purchased mine so I could get the tail out more, not less. In rain the car jiggles and slides alot more than a standard one.
In snow it is useless unless you have snow rubber on although an LSD is more important than in rain.
The LSD introduces quite a few characteristics I would not want for a novice driver. In a standard car it over-steers in a consistent and safe manner. With the LSD it gives you more Lotus-like handling again, the car moves in a progressive and consistent manner but the over-steer is reduced by a happier tail.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 8th May 10:34
gbrownzen said:
I understand that they use the dynamic mounts on the bit that sticks out at the back, so on the mid engined Boxster it is the gearbox and on the 911 it is the engine. So the effect may be similar, as it better controls the weight at the back of each car, though I suspect it does more on the 911 as the engine is probably heavier than the Boxster's gearbox. All to do with Moments of Inertia, I would say, if my 32 year old Advanced Maths hasn't let me down.
plus a manual gearbox is 30kgs lighter than PDK, so effect is even less pronounced. I reckon dynamic transmission mounts are a gimmick for manual transmission 981s.Carl_Docklands said:
In snow it is useless unless you have snow rubber on
Here it is illegal drive any car on snow with anything other than snow tires Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 8th May 10:34
(on drugs or not)In my experience with snow driving in FR cars, LSD is the best thing car can have. (eletronic brake control pseudo LSD usually just fails) But yes LSD can also bring the tale out if TC is not on.
Silverstone Pre Launch event video in mid April:
http://origin.porsche.com/uk/articles/porsche-boxs...
http://origin.porsche.com/uk/articles/porsche-boxs...
Here is a new video of Walter R driving a speed yellow one up the Monte Carlo pass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExS8QLbtjw
Edit.
If you want to see Matthaus from Grip almost put himself into a ditch in one, skip to 11min 15sec on this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzc-CJO_TyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExS8QLbtjw
Edit.
If you want to see Matthaus from Grip almost put himself into a ditch in one, skip to 11min 15sec on this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzc-CJO_TyE
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 8th May 20:09
Ordered a manual 2.7 in Aqua blue, black hood, grey partial leather, 19" Boxster S Wheels with colour crested centres, rear park assist, climate, sound package plus, floormats. Full spec. sheet is at home but it's come in at around £42k.
Edited by anniesdad on Thursday 10th May 16:43
anniesdad said:
Ordered a manual 2.7 in Aqua blue, black hood, grey partial leather, 19" Boxster S Wheels with colour crested centres, rear park assist, climate, sound package plus, floormats. Full spec. sheet is at home but it's come in at around £42k.
is this for you or your wife/daughter/some woman Edited by anniesdad on Thursday 10th May 16:43
anniesdad said:
Ordered a manual 2.7 in Aqua blue, black hood, grey partial leather, 19" Boxster S Wheels with colour crested centres, rear park assist, climate, sound package plus, floormats. Full spec. sheet is at home but it's come in at around £42k.
Great colour !Edited by anniesdad on Thursday 10th May 16:43
SFO said:
anniesdad said:
Ordered a manual 2.7 in Aqua blue, black hood, grey partial leather, 19" Boxster S Wheels with colour crested centres, rear park assist, climate, sound package plus, floormats. Full spec. sheet is at home but it's come in at around £42k.
is this for you or your wife/daughter/some woman Edited by anniesdad on Thursday 10th May 16:43
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