I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[Rosewood Red]

ooid said:

To play devil's advocate, I would be really careful with the blue 996. It does look like the owner has done very low-miles, and if it did only cover OPC every two year oil change and similar inadequate servicing suggestions, might be an expensive job on top of the nearly 20k asking price.

I'm not sure off the top of my head what additional work is done with major as opposed to minor services (pollen filter, check PS fluid, etc?) but the service book appears to be stamped with alternating majors.

I'd certainly be wary if it was doing say 3k a year and was serviced every 12k / 4 years. But is two years really too much between services with four figure mileages? Genuine question

[griffter]

The service interval on the 3.4 is supposed to be 12 months. It moved to two years at some point with the 996.2.

[jimmy p]

It is surprising how many porsches dont get serviced properly. I know a few years ago when i was looking for a 993 a lot had gaps in history sometimes 5 years. The same again when i looked for a 996 aerokit. I eventually found one which had been serviced properly i.e every year but they are not common.
Even the newer stuff with 2 year intervals its amazing how people buy a porsche and then dont at least do the basic servicing!

[bgunn]

ooid said:

To play devil's advocate, I would be really careful with the blue 996. It does look like the owner has done very low-miles, and if it did only cover OPC every two year oil change and similar inadequate servicing suggestions, might be an expensive job on top of the nearly 20k asking price.

There's a lot said for a higher mileage but more regularly serviced car. Things tend not to get noticed, or left, on a car that sits around in the garage a lot - creaky suspension arms, corroded discs etc etc. On a daily driver, it gets on the owners tits, but if put away and only used every other weekend, it might not be so wearing.. My motor is slightly higher in mileage, but had a similar story, a couple of thousand miles a year and mostly parked up - it was used to go to the golf club at weekends mainly! I bought it with my eyes open, knowing it needed a full set of suspension arms, discs and pads all around (just done this weekend) and other parts. I paid 11k for it, however. Thankfully, it had been oil serviced nice and regularly, and wasn't neglected per se.

I think the point is, be careful with any car that might appear overpriced. I think 19k is too strong for that car, even if I'm pleased to see a 996 like that at a good 'high' price. I'd argue it's not *that* low a mileage, and is probably worth 15 tops, on a good day. Unless it's magnificent in condition.

[ooid]

Rosewood Red said:

I'm not sure off the top of my head what additional work is done with major as opposed to minor services (pollen filter, check PS fluid, etc?) but the service book appears to be stamped with alternating majors.

I'd certainly be wary if it was doing say 3k a year and was serviced every 12k / 4 years. But is two years really too much between services with four figure mileages? Genuine question

OPC does not or used to?) check essential items on these cars imho, even on major service. They just do very basic ticking the box exercise.

They need deep inspection of cooling system (water pump, oil cooler, rads, hoses and fan resistors more importantly)
Oil change every 5k, religiously, as it's been reported and documented by many owners before, there is always an oil/water mixture in these cars very small amount so it needs more change.
Finally the exhaust system (o2 sensors, CATS and finally AOS)

These things might kill the engine if not properly looked after, and unfortunately they might show up suddenly on rarely used cars due to age. For me the low-miles early 996 should be max 40k, if I'm paying more than 18k, totally personal opinion.

[Rosewood Red]

Should one be worried about this spilt milk? Not that there is much that can be done.

DSC_0854 by ash_ashy_mo, on Flickr

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Was serviced pretty much yearly until 2011, but allegedly ran 17k between services between '08 and '09

Wasn't serviced for another 18 months or so, but only did 8k. Acquired by myself late 2016.

It is now running like a champ, however, and with the miles I do, will not fall into a similar state of neglect that started in '09...

[Raymondo2]

Ah, the book of lies!

First rule is always buy on current condition.

And bills are what I like to see; detailed ones. Now they do paint a picture.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Took mine out of OPC for the first time this year now it's ten years old. part of the decision was based around my intimate knowledge of it, having spannered it extensively from clutch to suspension to water pump to oil at half the recommended interval & partly to save a few quid. Ironically, the indie found a few issues to rectify I missed & I ended up paying about £200 over an OPC price although that's probably moot as they would have presented anyway.

Personally, I'd like a completed service record, not too fussed where it's from after a few years, so long as it's at least done & a wad of receipts indicating a conscientious owner (like me for example) is a big, big bonus.

They're cars, not Faberge eggs but at least give a care for them, that's reasonable I think.

[Rosewood Red]

Yeah, have a thick wad of paperwork dating back to 2001, but not every single invoice. Although, some poor soul went to the trouble of putting together an Excel spreadsheet itemising every single piece of servicing the car has had, with dates, places, cost and mileage. This has been kept up to date by previous owners. Was good enough for me.

[LordHaveMurci]

Rosewood Red said:

some poor soul went to the trouble of putting together an Excel spreadsheet itemising every single piece of servicing the car has had, with dates, places, cost and mileage.

I do this for both of my cars, sad maybe but nice to have & a strong selling point IF the time ever comes to part with either.

[tr7v8]

LordHaveMurci said:

Rosewood Red said:

some poor soul went to the trouble of putting together an Excel spreadsheet itemising every single piece of servicing the car has had, with dates, places, cost and mileage.

I do this for both of my cars, sad maybe but nice to have & a strong selling point IF the time ever comes to part with either.

I do it for all of mine as well. Great selling tool.

[Rosewood Red]

How would you feel if you had the spreadsheet, but not all supporting invoices though? A sizeable chunk present, but with to odd invoice from 5+ years ago going awol. And a fully stamped service book.

Sorry for the slight derailment.

[LordHaveMurci]

Rosewood Red said:

How would you feel if you had the spreadsheet, but not all supporting invoices though? A sizeable chunk present, but with to odd invoice from 5+ years ago going awol. And a fully stamped service book.

Sorry for the slight derailment.

I have 1 invoice missing since I have owned it, the 1st service & it's from a specialist that I no longer use so I'm not going to ask for a copy! Really bugs my OCD but the book is stamped & anybody can see from the comprehensive history that the stamp in the book is highly unlikely to be snide!

The 172 I'm less worried about, have even done an oil/filter service on it myself, filing the parts invoices with the mileage on them.

[Eddie Strohacker]

You can see it as a sign of a conscientious keeper but I agree, you would want it backed up with paper otherwise it's just a bit of meaningless data. I like the idea though.

[edc]

The reality is most poverty pork is over 10 years old and well out of the dealer service network now and have also changed ownership several times. My own current one came with no paperwork and no service book. It was a trade-in that then ended up at an independent dealer. There was only one previous owner and I was able to verify the service dates if not the amount spent and line item work done as it was all done within the same OPC franchise network. I have a slip of paper with the service dates, mileage and the OPC service business card in a folder.

[tr7v8]

Porsche are great at having centralised service records. This & MOT history is what I went by when I bought the Cayenne.Although on the one I bought the receipts were there.
I did a quick ring to the garage selling, asked him to read through the history as regard services. Then rung the OPC who he'd spoken about. The young lady on the service desk reeled off all the details.
The MOT history checked the mileage & also how well it had been looked after.

[ATM]

anonymous said:

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This is great if it works out that way - as in you do keep it ages. But what happens when you get offered a really cheap GT3 and think bye bye Croc and HELLOOOO GT3?

[Rosewood Red]

Here's a reasonably priced 3.2 S in Arena Red. I kinda like the decals too

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

It's a 1999 car too, so almost guaranteed to have a dual row IMSB.

Also, low mileage 2.5 for sub £6k. Part SH though...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Edited by Rosewood Red on Friday 19th May 20:15

[quickie123]

Like the red, but don't think I could live with that grey interior.

Might just pass if it was extended leather though......................

[tr7v8]

That Arena red one is lovely, great great interior as well. Very close by as well.