991 Turbo S or V12 Vantage S
Poll: 991 Turbo S or V12 Vantage S
Total Members Polled: 227
Discussion
I had the previous version of these cars (997.2 turbo) back to back for a day, 300 miles and some twisty Cotswold A roads. Wonderful! Both excellent cars in their own way.
The Aston Martin V12V is absolutely stunning especially in slate grey setting off the carbon vents and rear and front carbon splitters. That v12 sound at full revs is a glorious symphony of noise. The cabin is well appointed and for me (6ft 1) the driving position is just right in the carbon buckets seats for gear changes and wheel, though toe/healing is not great. It's by far the best Aston they have produced to date.
So why did I buy the porsche instead? Driving the Aston V12V was excellent but the car never felt hooked up to the road and would annoyingly understeer when pushed. Damp A roads continually meant reining in the very nervous backend. Good at first then tiring. If I had bought this car, the corsa cut slicks would have to be binned, if there was any chance of using the V12V on English sunshine days! The quality of the Porsche cabin and layout is in a different league. Both cars were rentals, both had done around 40k, Aston's seats, gear lever etc were starting to look tired. The porsche interior looked like new. In terms of running costs i got around 15mpg and 20mpg for the porsche. At the time, some internet digging gave the warranty cost over three years from warranty wise for the porsche at around £1900, and the Aston was £5900! V12V parts and/or reliability not its good points then. Further hunting revealed that nice bonnet is £6+k unpainted and front splitter is £2kish. Hmm better not have front/scenery interface then. You may think opc servicing prices are bad, ask your local Aston Martin what to expect on your yearly service - at least the 997 is every two years if you keep the mileage below 20k and only a major every other one! Of course both lose money faster than borrowing from wonga.com
So the final nail in V12V coffin for me was getting the girls in the back, seating position for the better half and not requiring Valium for my nerves and hemiroId cream for my clenched buttocks while Carol drives!!
But would I have the Aston V12V S if I could afford it, had the space and could keep the Porsche turbo S as well? Hell yeah!
The Aston Martin V12V is absolutely stunning especially in slate grey setting off the carbon vents and rear and front carbon splitters. That v12 sound at full revs is a glorious symphony of noise. The cabin is well appointed and for me (6ft 1) the driving position is just right in the carbon buckets seats for gear changes and wheel, though toe/healing is not great. It's by far the best Aston they have produced to date.
So why did I buy the porsche instead? Driving the Aston V12V was excellent but the car never felt hooked up to the road and would annoyingly understeer when pushed. Damp A roads continually meant reining in the very nervous backend. Good at first then tiring. If I had bought this car, the corsa cut slicks would have to be binned, if there was any chance of using the V12V on English sunshine days! The quality of the Porsche cabin and layout is in a different league. Both cars were rentals, both had done around 40k, Aston's seats, gear lever etc were starting to look tired. The porsche interior looked like new. In terms of running costs i got around 15mpg and 20mpg for the porsche. At the time, some internet digging gave the warranty cost over three years from warranty wise for the porsche at around £1900, and the Aston was £5900! V12V parts and/or reliability not its good points then. Further hunting revealed that nice bonnet is £6+k unpainted and front splitter is £2kish. Hmm better not have front/scenery interface then. You may think opc servicing prices are bad, ask your local Aston Martin what to expect on your yearly service - at least the 997 is every two years if you keep the mileage below 20k and only a major every other one! Of course both lose money faster than borrowing from wonga.com
So the final nail in V12V coffin for me was getting the girls in the back, seating position for the better half and not requiring Valium for my nerves and hemiroId cream for my clenched buttocks while Carol drives!!
But would I have the Aston V12V S if I could afford it, had the space and could keep the Porsche turbo S as well? Hell yeah!
FalconWood said:
I have driven 993C2 and 993Turbo S and 997turbo Gen 2. I recently bought V12v. I have to say I find the 997 perfectly uninteresting and wonder if the 991 Turbo is the same. It us just effortless but Not exciting. The V12v though is wonderful in looks in sound and grunt. I love driving it. I love the look of it. Only the 993 Turbo S lives up against the V12v for sound and gravitas.
Almost exactly my view. I have the v12v and 993 c2s. Best of both worlds in my eyes. Both needed a little help to sound better. Now fixed and very happy.FalconWood said:
I have driven 993C2 and 993Turbo S and 997turbo Gen 2. I recently bought V12v. I have to say I find the 997 perfectly uninteresting and wonder if the 991 Turbo is the same. It us just effortless but Not exciting. The V12v though is wonderful in looks in sound and grunt. I love driving it. I love the look of it. Only the 993 Turbo S lives up against the V12v for sound and gravitas.
Wise words. A friend of mine has a light metallic blue V12V and it is utterly intoxicating!I test drove an N400 V8V earlier in the summer. Having got tired of the Porsche "thing", an Aston seemed the next logical step.
Read lots of good things about the N400, most of it turned out to be wide of the mark.
Several things stood out, the utterly hopeless pedal positioning, heel and toeing almost impossible (not helped by a massive amount of throttle pedal travel that didn't actually do anything). Lots of noise, but little in the way of real shove, dull lifeless steering and suspension that wouldn't have felt out of place on a Mondeo.
If nothing else, it proved just how well Porsche have nailed the GT3 in all its iterations.
Whilst looking at the V8V there was a V12 next door, it looked stunning, but when I asked the salesman what they were like to drive, his response was something along the lines of, it a very powerful but blunt tool.
A real shame, as the cars have a real feelgood factor to them when you're driving them.
So, 991 Turbos S or V12V S ? Neither thanks.
Read lots of good things about the N400, most of it turned out to be wide of the mark.
Several things stood out, the utterly hopeless pedal positioning, heel and toeing almost impossible (not helped by a massive amount of throttle pedal travel that didn't actually do anything). Lots of noise, but little in the way of real shove, dull lifeless steering and suspension that wouldn't have felt out of place on a Mondeo.
If nothing else, it proved just how well Porsche have nailed the GT3 in all its iterations.
Whilst looking at the V8V there was a V12 next door, it looked stunning, but when I asked the salesman what they were like to drive, his response was something along the lines of, it a very powerful but blunt tool.
A real shame, as the cars have a real feelgood factor to them when you're driving them.
So, 991 Turbos S or V12V S ? Neither thanks.
Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 11th October 10:15
I found my 996 gt3 mk2 perfectly unpleasant on uk roads. Painfull suspension, constant rolling noise. New one is certainly better though.
Slippydiff said:
I test drive an N400 V8V earlier in the summer. Having got tired of the Porsche "thing", an Aston seemed the next logical step.
Read lots of good things about the N400, most of it turned out to be wide of the mark.
Several things stood out, the utterly hopeless pedal positioning, heel and toeing almost impossible (not helped by a massive amount of throttle pedal travel that didn't actually do anything). Lots of noise, but little in the way of real shove, dull lifeless steering and suspension that wouldn't have felt out of place on a Mondeo.
If nothing else, it proved just how well Porsche have nailed the GT3 in all its iterations.
Whilst looking at the V8V there was a V12 next door, looked stunning, but when I asked the salesman what they were like to drive, his response was something along the lines of, it a very powerful but blunt tool.
A real shame, as the cars have a real feelgood factor to them when you're driving them.
So, 991 Turbos S or V12V S ? Neither thanks.
Read lots of good things about the N400, most of it turned out to be wide of the mark.
Several things stood out, the utterly hopeless pedal positioning, heel and toeing almost impossible (not helped by a massive amount of throttle pedal travel that didn't actually do anything). Lots of noise, but little in the way of real shove, dull lifeless steering and suspension that wouldn't have felt out of place on a Mondeo.
If nothing else, it proved just how well Porsche have nailed the GT3 in all its iterations.
Whilst looking at the V8V there was a V12 next door, looked stunning, but when I asked the salesman what they were like to drive, his response was something along the lines of, it a very powerful but blunt tool.
A real shame, as the cars have a real feelgood factor to them when you're driving them.
So, 991 Turbos S or V12V S ? Neither thanks.
DT398 said:
Why? It's not even a real-world question. If it had been "Imagine you had just worked your nuts off and had to plonk down £140k of your own hard-earned money on one of these cars, which one would you buy" then that would change the outcome somehow.
I doubt it, many people have orders for a Vantage v12 S and the soft top always sell out.for people who buy new with that sort of money to spend and wanting a car which look and sounds cool the V12 S wins without question.
Ref interiors,The Aston interiors are fine , beauty over ergonomics but surely the point here is the turbo s at. £140k has the same interior as a 35k Boxster
There seems to be a reluctance on here to acknowledge this. , see any r8 thread where it gets criticised for having an interior like a Tt
It pissed me off when I had the. 997turbo that it was identical to
My wife's Boxster , not good enough on a 100k car
There seems to be a reluctance on here to acknowledge this. , see any r8 thread where it gets criticised for having an interior like a Tt
It pissed me off when I had the. 997turbo that it was identical to
My wife's Boxster , not good enough on a 100k car
franki68 said:
Ref interiors,The Aston interiors are fine , beauty over ergonomics but surely the point here is the turbo s at. £140k has the same interior as a 35k Boxster
There seems to be a reluctance on here to acknowledge this. , see any r8 thread where it gets criticised for having an interior like a Tt
It pissed me off when I had the. 997turbo that it was identical to
My wife's Boxster , not good enough on a 100k car
You mean 997? The best thing on Porsches is that you can customise everything including leather stalks.There seems to be a reluctance on here to acknowledge this. , see any r8 thread where it gets criticised for having an interior like a Tt
It pissed me off when I had the. 997turbo that it was identical to
My wife's Boxster , not good enough on a 100k car
Try buying a 80k merc or bm with plastic everything.
mrdemon said:
DT398 said:
Why? It's not even a real-world question. If it had been "Imagine you had just worked your nuts off and had to plonk down £140k of your own hard-earned money on one of these cars, which one would you buy" then that would change the outcome somehow.
I doubt it, many people have orders for a Vantage v12 S and the soft top always sell out.for people who buy new with that sort of money to spend and wanting a car which look and sounds cool the V12 S wins without question.
Younez said:
You mean 997? The best thing on Porsches is that you can customise everything including leather stalks.
Try buying a 80k merc or bm with plastic everything.
no I mean 991,the 991 interior is the same as the 981 boxster ,as it was with the 997 and 987 boxster.Try buying a 80k merc or bm with plastic everything.
the point is with the aston you get a bespoke interior ,and the only thing it resembles is other aston interiors which are all very expensive cars,whereas the new turbo interior is identical to a car costing 1/4 the price.
Its not the reason to buy or not buy the car ,but I'm merely pointing out the flaw in peoples argument about the aston interiors.
franki68 said:
Younez said:
You mean 997? The best thing on Porsches is that you can customise everything including leather stalks.
Try buying a 80k merc or bm with plastic everything.
no I mean 991,the 991 interior is the same as the 981 boxster ,as it was with the 997 and 987 boxster.Try buying a 80k merc or bm with plastic everything.
the point is with the aston you get a bespoke interior ,and the only thing it resembles is other aston interiors which are all very expensive cars,whereas the new turbo interior is identical to a car costing 1/4 the price.
Its not the reason to buy or not buy the car ,but I'm merely pointing out the flaw in peoples argument about the aston interiors.
franki68 said:
no I mean 991,the 991 interior is the same as the 981 boxster ,as it was with the 997 and 987 boxster.
the point is with the aston you get a bespoke interior ,and the only thing it resembles is other aston interiors which are all very expensive cars,whereas the new turbo interior is identical to a car costing 1/4 the price.
Its not the reason to buy or not buy the car ,but I'm merely pointing out the flaw in peoples argument about the aston interiors.
Those Ford parts are very expensive and exclusive and a hopeless Swedish Sat Nav the point is with the aston you get a bespoke interior ,and the only thing it resembles is other aston interiors which are all very expensive cars,whereas the new turbo interior is identical to a car costing 1/4 the price.
Its not the reason to buy or not buy the car ,but I'm merely pointing out the flaw in peoples argument about the aston interiors.
The question doesn't mention the gt3 or 458, so I won't
Someone is going to give me one, and take it back a year later, so cost and depreciation irrelevant.
The Aston for me - a car with more soul
As a purchase proposition with my own money, a very different question
Someone is going to give me one, and take it back a year later, so cost and depreciation irrelevant.
The Aston for me - a car with more soul
As a purchase proposition with my own money, a very different question
Edited by Adam B on Monday 14th October 11:36
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