Best 911 for £15k weekend car for my mate?

[Henry-F]

monthefish said:

It is a surprise birthday present for occasional use. The chap just likes classic 911's. Even if the car didn't meet his exact dream spec, it will presumably still satisy the childhood dream to own a 911. If he decides he doesn't want to keep it after say 6 months, it is unlikely it will lose very much money, and certainly not an amount that is likely to trouble the OP's friend (what I mean is, I doubt they are on the breadline if they have £15k to spend on a birthday gift. Yes, I've made an assumption here, but statistcally, it's probably a reasonable one to make. As a statistician, I'm hoping you can appreciate this)

Wise words. You don't get much in 911 terms for under £10k and even at £10k most of the stuff out there is going to be horrible. So as close to £10k as you can spend means that even if it does need to be sold they'll get most of the money back. There is also quite a healthy market for decent £10k 911's especially in the summer. The one thing I would say with early cars is make sure you know what you're looking at. There are a lot of shiny cars out there which are nasty underneath their thin crust of paint. If you can get a car which hasn't been painted inside the front tub (inner wings, front panel etc).

Other than that it's all down to the individual car, a nice car is a nice car regardless of specific model etc.

Ultimately I'd rather be trying to get out of an unwanted 911 than an unwanted watch

Henry

[Henry-F]

BertBert said:

One way of reducing the risk would be to commission someone to source the car. You'd spend some of your budget on it, but you'd reduce the risk (no I haven't got the exact percentage risk reduction or statistical distribution of the risk!).

I'm thinking of someone like Phil Raby.

Bert

Or simply say to a dealer can I have a guaranteed figure to buy it back assuming no deterioration in x number of weeks or months. Providing they own the car (rather than selling it on behalf of a customer) then on a car like that it wouldn't be an impossible ask. It's not exactly going to depreciate in the interim. It would be like renting it out for a while and the car ought to make exactly the same money when they sold it on again.

Henry

[monthefish]

Henry-F said:

BertBert said:

One way of reducing the risk would be to commission someone to source the car. You'd spend some of your budget on it, but you'd reduce the risk (no I haven't got the exact percentage risk reduction or statistical distribution of the risk!).

I'm thinking of someone like Phil Raby.

Bert

Or simply say to a dealer can I have a guaranteed figure to buy it back assuming no deterioration in x number of weeks or months. Providing they own the car (rather than selling it on behalf of a customer) then on a car like that it wouldn't be an impossible ask. It's not exactly going to depreciate in the interim. It would be like renting it out for a while and the car ought to make exactly the same money when they sold it on again.

Henry

You wouldn't happen to know of a dealer that would do this by any chance, would you?

[BertBert]

Nice idea Henry. As an example, what would be your guaranteed buy-back price on this http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/228/3.0SCt... ?

Assume 3 months and 3k miles after purchase having paid the 13,495 price.

BErt

[Henry-F]

You wouldn't pay £13,500 for it. You'd pay £11,500. You don't need to pay the extra £2k up front. You can change to the retail price at any time during the 3 month / 3k mile guarantee period if it makes you better off, otherwise keep your money.

As for a buyback price I don't think it's appropriate to discuss figures on here, that is between a customer and ourselves. But on a car such as the SC it is something we would be happy to do.

Seen another way if the person was happy to sell privately I imagine their financial exposure would be relatively small.


Henry

[Gulf911]

No affiliation.

http://www.paul-stephens.com/for-sale/Porsche-911-...

[BertBert]

Henry-F said:

You wouldn't pay £13,500 for it. You'd pay £11,500. You don't need to pay the extra £2k up front. You can change to the retail price at any time during the 3 month / 3k mile guarantee period if it makes you better off, otherwise keep your money.

As for a buyback price I don't think it's appropriate to discuss figures on here, that is between a customer and ourselves. But on a car such as the SC it is something we would be happy to do.

Seen another way if the person was happy to sell privately I imagine their financial exposure would be relatively small.


Henry

Cop-out. C'mon come clean unless it's embarrasing...something to hide?

[Zingari]

thegoose said:

.............Is that blow up the one with 'three receptive holes' by any chance?

[Henry-F]

BertBert said:

Henry-F said:

You wouldn't pay £13,500 for it. You'd pay £11,500. You don't need to pay the extra £2k up front. You can change to the retail price at any time during the 3 month / 3k mile guarantee period if it makes you better off, otherwise keep your money.

As for a buyback price I don't think it's appropriate to discuss figures on here, that is between a customer and ourselves. But on a car such as the SC it is something we would be happy to do.

Seen another way if the person was happy to sell privately I imagine their financial exposure would be relatively small.


Henry

Cop-out. C'mon come clean unless it's embarrasing...something to hide?

No, I just don't think Pistonheads is the place to do that. If nothing else the next owner may not want people knowing their financial business. If they choose to let everyone know numbers then that's their call. There will be people on here that think £500 is too much, others who feel a couple of grand is not enough. At the end of the day we treat each person and deal on an individual basis.

Henry

[BigBazza]

Update;

Having now discovered the "kidney bowl issue" is this something only SC and earlier or do 964s suffer too? I know they changed the design of the kidney bowl in '85 but i;m just making sure....

[davek_964]

BigBazza said:

Update;

Having now discovered the "kidney bowl issue" is this something only SC and earlier or do 964s suffer too? I know they changed the design of the kidney bowl in '85 but i;m just making sure....

964s don't have that problem. However, they are getting on a bit - mine developed some rust by the rear window years ago, and on the wings (front and rear) where the bumpers meet it. Nothing major, and I think it's less of an issue than with the older cars - but they're certainly not rust proof.

[Henry-F]

I think with very old (10-15yrs) cars there will be potential issues right across the board. Certainly don't think a 1986 3.2 Carrera is likely to be any less rusty than an '84 / '85 car or earlier. Treat each car as you find it.

we rejected a 964 earlier this month which had quite bad corrosion, and not just the usual bubbles here and there, so even by going to a 964 you aren't out of the woods totally. If the engine is wet you may be looking at a substantial rebuild cost. Given the money 993's sell for all the cars you'll be looking at are likely to be circa 20 years old plus and as such I think all the "model differences" fade away in comparison to individual cars so be careful you don't read too much into "after such and such a year this that or the other was changed to improve something". It may be that the theoretically worse model is actually a better individual car.

I hope that all makes sense !!

Henry

[thegoose]

Zingari said:

thegoose said:

.............Is that blow up the one with 'three receptive holes' by any chance?

I'm pretty sure "Steve" (as a friend's teenage daughter christened him, before taking him in the hot-tub later with her boyfriend) is air-tight. Sorry if that makes him less attractive to you....

[BigBazza]

thegoose said:

pretty friend's teenage daughter in the hot-tub air-tight.

Sorry, lost my concentration there for a minute.....

I've asked Phil Raby to have a look at one on the south coast for me and i'm going to see a couple more local.

Nervous excitement!

Edited by BigBazza on Sunday 21st November 20:52

[BigBazza]

Quick update for everyone following your friendly and helpful advice....

Delivered a stunning 1984 Carrera Sport Cab to my mate this morning, just as it was coming light his Mrs got him out in the driveway and I swung the car in and onto untouched snow (slight oversteer which I wish had been on purpose for effect but was just car meets ice physics) and his face was a picture.

Thanks to all who gave me advice, Allan (Chipchap), John from TheCarConsultancy and Paul French who has been honest (I think!) and helpful!

Here she is and she is LOVELY in every way!

[spikeyhead]

BigBazza said:

thegoose said:

pretty friend's teenage daughter in the hot-tub air-tight.

Sorry, lost my concentration there for a minute.....

I've asked Phil Raby to have a look at one on the south coast for me and i'm going to see a couple more local.

Nervous excitement!

Edited by BigBazza on Sunday 21st November 20:52

I'm a little late to the party, but does this Phil bloke have any more pretty teenagers left?

[Steve Devaney]

BigBazza said:

Quick update for everyone following your friendly and helpful advice....

Delivered a stunning 1984 Carrera Sport Cab to my mate this morning, just as it was coming light his Mrs got him out in the driveway and I swung the car in and onto untouched snow (slight oversteer which I wish had been on purpose for effect but was just car meets ice physics) and his face was a picture.

Thanks to all who gave me advice, Allan (Chipchap), John from TheCarConsultancy and Paul French who has been honest (I think!) and helpful!

Here she is and she is LOVELY in every way!

Looks absolutely gorgeous. I am a big fan of open-top cars that are used in the main as weekend / sunny day cars.

Well done and I am glad birthday boy is pleased - he should be

[Sneaky Schnell]

Steve Devaney said:

BigBazza said:

Quick update for everyone following your friendly and helpful advice....

Delivered a stunning 1984 Carrera Sport Cab to my mate this morning, just as it was coming light his Mrs got him out in the driveway and I swung the car in and onto untouched snow (slight oversteer which I wish had been on purpose for effect but was just car meets ice physics) and his face was a picture.

Thanks to all who gave me advice, Allan (Chipchap), John from TheCarConsultancy and Paul French who has been honest (I think!) and helpful!

Here she is and she is LOVELY in every way!

Looks absolutely gorgeous. I am a big fan of open-top cars that are used in the main as weekend / sunny day cars.

Well done and I am glad birthday boy is pleased - he should be

Well played. That's a lovely looking car. I hope it is as good as it looks and that your friend enjoys it. Maybe you'll have to get yourself one now.

[monthefish]

Great stuff - looks a beaut.

[BigBazza]

I recorded a CD with a load of tracks from 1984 and when that is playing as you drive along, it really does make you feel like you're driving it when it was new! It's like being in Ashes to Ashes!!