Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
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I have to agree, this car is circa £85k and £20k over in relation to other GT models doesn't seem unrealistic to me. If someone offered £20k over for mine I wouldn't sell as there is in my mind nothing at the price point that compares to replace...
List is price you pay for a car !
To advertise the gt4 at £65k was daft for a Gt car with no buckets. Very annoying by Porsche IMO.
I hope people don't see it as a £65k car because that's not good.
Same reason we see 991 gt3 at £135k not selling because of dire spec.
Spec is king come resale, just look at the White R which sold in a few hours this weekend !
PorscheGT4 said:
V8KSN said:
£105k is not £25k over list, its £40k over list!
Either way its a ridiculous price.
I reckon the GT4 will trade around £85-£90k
That car was about £85k any way !Either way its a ridiculous price.
I reckon the GT4 will trade around £85-£90k
List is price you pay for a car !
To advertise the gt4 at £65k was daft for a Gt car with no buckets. Very annoying by Porsche IMO.
I hope people don't see it as a £65k car because that's not good.
Same reason we see 991 gt3 at £135k not selling because of dire spec.
Spec is king come resale, just look at the White R which sold in a few hours this weekend !
ravon said:
Lets hope that you "non-track" driving future GT4 owners don't own a 981S at the moment, because as I've said before you are going to be disappointed , there is no doubt in my mind that the 981S is a better road car.
That probably depends on how you drive your car on the road and what attributes you assign to making a good road car... 
True, I should perhaps offer my criteria : living in Surrey, I'm often in slow moving traffic on daily basis, I drive quite a bit at night for pleasure, probably two to three nights a week heading into the relatively deserted ( at night ) Sussex and Hampshire B roads. I'm retired so I don't have a commute, but I have driven the 981S very regularly to circuits, all a long way from home, so motorway and A roads, I also take a fair bit of road craft training, which involves a long motorway journey to the start point and then intensive driving on B roads. I've clocked about 15K miles in the car in two years. I should also perhaps say I now have a BMW i8 in my life, which really is ( for me ) the most spectacular sporting mile eater I've ever encountered, and comfortably takes the place of the 981S and leaves the GT4 for track work.
ravon said:
Lets hope that you "non-track" driving future GT4 owners don't own a 981S at the moment, because as I've said before you are going to be disappointed , there is no doubt in my mind that the 981S is a better road car.
Doubtful.But as Adam v12 quite rightly points out, it depends on what criteria you use in assessing what is a good road car.
Ran a 981 Cayman S pre 991 GT3 and whilst the 981 was capable, it came nowhere near the abilities of the 911which contrary to what many think, you don't have to be 'on it' to reap the benefits during road driving. (Yorkshire Lancs Cumbria playground)
Suspect the GT4 will be roughly halfway house and would imagine any restrictions as an excellent daily road car would come from lack of front lift rather than the car itself as a package.
ravon said:
True, I should perhaps offer my criteria : living in Surrey, I'm often in slow moving traffic on daily basis, I drive quite a bit at night for pleasure, probably two to three nights a week heading into the relatively deserted ( at night ) Sussex and Hampshire B roads. I'm retired so I don't have a commute, but I have driven the 981S very regularly to circuits, all a long way from home, so motorway and A roads, I also take a fair bit of road craft training, which involves a long motorway journey to the start point and then intensive driving on B roads. I've clocked about 15K miles in the car in two years. I should also perhaps say I now have a BMW i8 in my life, which really is ( for me ) the most spectacular sporting mile eater I've ever encountered, and comfortably takes the place of the 981S and leaves the GT4 for track work.
I considered the i8 as I'm a big BMW fan but found it too large ravon said:
So what would be your typical GT4 usage and how many miles a year ?
Touring Europe, blasts in the Alps, a visit to the Ring at some point and hopefully some other tracks. Say 7,500 km/year. No commuting required. The only time I won't use it is when I need three/four seats or am driving my classic.The ride is very civilised, the seats comfy on long trips, driving position perfect, boot space excellent, fuel and maintenance costs low. All of this applies to the Cayman S of course but I wouldn't want anything less hardcore than a GT car. I don't notice the heavy clutch anymore (in fact I now have trouble with the lightness of the clutch in my Megane R26) and I've found a technique of getting in and out of the LWBs that is easy enough. Clearance can be limiting but so far it hasn't been a real problem and for me it's a price well worth paying.
Guess it all depends on the owners priorities, if the GT4 was my only car, and wasn't using it on track, I'd much prefer the high gearing of the 981S PDK, something like 33mph/100 as against the 25/1000 of the GT4, and having never forgotten what its like to be very poor, the nearly 38mpg of the 981S is spectacular compared to the so far recorded 27mpg of the GT4( both under motorway conditions ). Again with an engineering background I found the stop/start a device of wonder, this is not fitted to the GT4.
I have quite a long 911 background so I don't need convincing as to how wondrous they are, particularly up on the Yorkshire Moors ( lucky man ! ).
The poster hit on the i8's big weakness, it too big, particularly too wide, the batteries are in the backbone between the seats, pushing them far apart, but it is surprising over time and familiarity how it "shrinks " !
Just back from a trip to Vienna in it, and if anything made me fall in love with a car, it was the i8's staggering Auto Bahn abilities, it's really rapid, and despite remarkably high speeds it managed just under 39mpg.
Back to my original point, I was guessing that many GT4's won't be driven to the Alps or the Yorkshire Moors, but will be road cars with a bit of extra prestige for the owner, in which case the quieter, more economical, longleged 981S would be a better proposition. I have been utterly amazed over the last two years how few 981's I've seen on track, lets hope the GT4 is a frequent visitor there for many owners ?
I have quite a long 911 background so I don't need convincing as to how wondrous they are, particularly up on the Yorkshire Moors ( lucky man ! ).
The poster hit on the i8's big weakness, it too big, particularly too wide, the batteries are in the backbone between the seats, pushing them far apart, but it is surprising over time and familiarity how it "shrinks " !
Just back from a trip to Vienna in it, and if anything made me fall in love with a car, it was the i8's staggering Auto Bahn abilities, it's really rapid, and despite remarkably high speeds it managed just under 39mpg.
Back to my original point, I was guessing that many GT4's won't be driven to the Alps or the Yorkshire Moors, but will be road cars with a bit of extra prestige for the owner, in which case the quieter, more economical, longleged 981S would be a better proposition. I have been utterly amazed over the last two years how few 981's I've seen on track, lets hope the GT4 is a frequent visitor there for many owners ?
Edited by ravon on Sunday 16th August 16:07
Edited by ravon on Sunday 16th August 16:52
Guess it all depends on the owners priorities, if the GT4 was my only car, and wasn't using it on track, I'd much prefer the high gearing of the 981S PDK, something like 33mph/100 as against the 25/1000 of the GT4, and having never forgotten what its like to be very poor, the nearly 38mpg of the 981S is spectacular compared to the so far recorded 27mpg of the GT4( both under motorway conditions ). Again with an engineering background I found the stop/start a device of wonder, this is not fitted to the GT4.
I have quite a long 911 background so I don't need convincing as to how wondrous they are, particularly up on the Yorkshire Moors ( lucky man ! ).
The poster hit on the i8's big weakness, it too big, particularly too wide, the batteries are in the backbone between the seats, pushing them far apart, but it is surprising over time and familiarity how it "shrinks " !
Just back from a trip to Vienna in it, and if anything made me fall in love with a car, it was the i8's staggering Auto Bahn abilities, it's really rapid, and despite remarkably high speeds it managed just under 39mpg.
Back to my original point, I was guessing that many GT4's won't be driven to the Alps or the Yorkshire Moors, but will be road cars with a bit of extra prestige for the owner, in which case the quieter, more economical, long legged 981S would be a better proposition. I have been utterly amazed over the last two years how few 981's I've seen on track, lets hope the GT4 is a frequent visitor there for many owners ?
I have quite a long 911 background so I don't need convincing as to how wondrous they are, particularly up on the Yorkshire Moors ( lucky man ! ).
The poster hit on the i8's big weakness, it too big, particularly too wide, the batteries are in the backbone between the seats, pushing them far apart, but it is surprising over time and familiarity how it "shrinks " !
Just back from a trip to Vienna in it, and if anything made me fall in love with a car, it was the i8's staggering Auto Bahn abilities, it's really rapid, and despite remarkably high speeds it managed just under 39mpg.
Back to my original point, I was guessing that many GT4's won't be driven to the Alps or the Yorkshire Moors, but will be road cars with a bit of extra prestige for the owner, in which case the quieter, more economical, long legged 981S would be a better proposition. I have been utterly amazed over the last two years how few 981's I've seen on track, lets hope the GT4 is a frequent visitor there for many owners ?
Edited by ravon on Sunday 16th August 16:07
Edited by ravon on Sunday 16th August 16:52
Interesting thoughts Ravon.
The 981S is indeed a great road car, but it has also reawakened my somewhat dormant interest/enjoyment in track driving. Driving the 981S to Brands (I'm also in Surrey) for a day on the GP circuit, or up to Silverstone, is a low-hassle high-fun day out. I'm done with trailers and tyres! I'm hoping my GT4 will be the perfect "drive to the track" car. My only worry is that the moral victory scored by chasing down and passing a 911 won't quite carry the same satisfaction in the GT4. Maybe de-badging and wing removal is the way to go ;>
The 981S is indeed a great road car, but it has also reawakened my somewhat dormant interest/enjoyment in track driving. Driving the 981S to Brands (I'm also in Surrey) for a day on the GP circuit, or up to Silverstone, is a low-hassle high-fun day out. I'm done with trailers and tyres! I'm hoping my GT4 will be the perfect "drive to the track" car. My only worry is that the moral victory scored by chasing down and passing a 911 won't quite carry the same satisfaction in the GT4. Maybe de-badging and wing removal is the way to go ;>
ravon said:
Guess it all depends on the owners priorities, if the GT4 was my only car, and wasn't using it on track, I'd much prefer the high gearing of the 981S PDK, something like 33mph/100 as against the 25/1000 of the GT4, and having never forgotten what its like to be very poor, the nearly 38mpg of the 981S is spectacular compared to the so far recorded 27mpg of the GT4( both under motorway conditions ). Again with an engineering background I found the stop/start a device of wonder, this is not fitted to the GT4.
I have quite a long 911 background so I don't need convincing as to how wondrous they are, particularly up on the Yorkshire Moors ( lucky man ! ).
The poster hit on the i8's big weakness, it too big, particularly too wide, the batteries are in the backbone between the seats, pushing them far apart, but it is surprising over time and familiarity how it "shrinks " !
Just back from a trip to Vienna in it, and if anything made me fall in love with a car, it was the i8's staggering Auto Bahn abilities, it's really rapid, and despite remarkably high speeds it managed just under 39mpg.
Back to my original point, I was guessing that many GT4's won't be driven to the Alps or the Yorkshire Moors, but will be road cars with a bit of extra prestige for the owner, in which case the quieter, more economical, longlegs 981S would be a better proposition. I have been utterly amazed over the last two years how few 981's I've seen on track, lets hope the GT4 is a frequent visitor there for many owners ?
Be nice to see a picture of your 981s ravon . I met s guy at spa who'd dropped a 991s lump in a pdk car, sorted the suspension , put larger car graphic wheels on and 100 cell cats. Really nice surprise how well it went. He only uses it on track daysI have quite a long 911 background so I don't need convincing as to how wondrous they are, particularly up on the Yorkshire Moors ( lucky man ! ).
The poster hit on the i8's big weakness, it too big, particularly too wide, the batteries are in the backbone between the seats, pushing them far apart, but it is surprising over time and familiarity how it "shrinks " !
Just back from a trip to Vienna in it, and if anything made me fall in love with a car, it was the i8's staggering Auto Bahn abilities, it's really rapid, and despite remarkably high speeds it managed just under 39mpg.
Back to my original point, I was guessing that many GT4's won't be driven to the Alps or the Yorkshire Moors, but will be road cars with a bit of extra prestige for the owner, in which case the quieter, more economical, longlegs 981S would be a better proposition. I have been utterly amazed over the last two years how few 981's I've seen on track, lets hope the GT4 is a frequent visitor there for many owners ?
Edited by ravon on Sunday 16th August 16:07
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