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mollytherocker said:
matc said:
mollytherocker said:
He did.
MTR
Not really my point.MTR
MTR
A fascinating car. Surpised that nobody has popped out of the woodwork so far claiming to have with any more detailed knowledge of its early life/prior ownership.
180,000 miles at an average of 50mph (it may well be higher, perhaps Mr F can share the durametric results) would represent 3,600 operating hours. That's equivalent to 2hrs use per day, 5 days a week continuously for each and every one of its 7 year life so far.
The photo's look great (up to the usual high standards at 911V) but surely the driver's leather bucket would have taken a bit more of a battering after such use? They aren't the easist things to get in and out of after all but of course, very high daily mileages could mean fewer seat 'entries and exits' (when the wear occurs) so that may explain it. I would have expected to see a bit more of a shine on the steeting wheel by now though - certainly where the right hand grips it! Both seats and steering wheel are of course relatively cheap to replace (even with lightly used replacements from a prestige salvage yard although I'm not for a minute suggesting that this is the case here!).
One other quick figure... At 25mpg and GBP1.30/ltr, it would have consumed GBP44k's worth of juice! I'll leave it to someone else to work out the carbon footprint.
Good luck with the sale.
180,000 miles at an average of 50mph (it may well be higher, perhaps Mr F can share the durametric results) would represent 3,600 operating hours. That's equivalent to 2hrs use per day, 5 days a week continuously for each and every one of its 7 year life so far.
The photo's look great (up to the usual high standards at 911V) but surely the driver's leather bucket would have taken a bit more of a battering after such use? They aren't the easist things to get in and out of after all but of course, very high daily mileages could mean fewer seat 'entries and exits' (when the wear occurs) so that may explain it. I would have expected to see a bit more of a shine on the steeting wheel by now though - certainly where the right hand grips it! Both seats and steering wheel are of course relatively cheap to replace (even with lightly used replacements from a prestige salvage yard although I'm not for a minute suggesting that this is the case here!).
One other quick figure... At 25mpg and GBP1.30/ltr, it would have consumed GBP44k's worth of juice! I'll leave it to someone else to work out the carbon footprint.
Good luck with the sale.
At 25k with all things stacking up it would be an ideal candidate for something like this...
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=230
Effectively rebuilding the engine to eliminate any wear doubt and making it a Sharkwerks 3.9
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=230
Effectively rebuilding the engine to eliminate any wear doubt and making it a Sharkwerks 3.9
matc said:
Let's put it this way; Henry, if you weren't in the trade and you had £25k for a toy, would you buy it? Be honest.
Yes, I would. In fact I very nearly kept this one but it would only have sat unused. My second ever Porsche was a 250k miles automatic oval dash 944 and to this day it's one of the nicest 944's I've driven. Like this car it sat on the motorway all it's life and so had been over serviced and was in far better shape than most cars 1/4 of it's mileage.The fact the interior isn't all worn and tired is exactly what I'm trying to say in terms of miles and actual work. Someone talked about track miles being 4 times harder than road miles. Try 10 times!
Henry
marky911 said:
996 GT2
Couldn't agree more!
I'm actually feeling almost mad enough to consider it, having just sold my little racecar and my bike but, hmm....
Me too! Been having crazy thoughts of chopping in the 964 for it. Having experienced the substantial maintenance and upgrade costs for that over the last 4 years, the GT3 costs wouldn't come as a surprise. All I'd be doing is ending up with something that has a similar mileage and similar bills but is a bit more youthful and bit more feisty. Couldn't agree more!
I'm actually feeling almost mad enough to consider it, having just sold my little racecar and my bike but, hmm....
MogulBoy said:
very high daily mileages could mean fewer seat 'entries and exits' (when the wear occurs) so that may explain it.
And in the same way the ratio of engine hours v operating temperature is in its favour. I think it's reasonable to say then that 180k vs 50k does not equate 3.6 times more wear, even under the same conditions, let alone comparing with track based mileage.As for whether I would part with £25k for such a car, yes I would. Probably wouldn't bother with a rolling road session either. If you already know how a GT3 should perform a good test drive should be enough.
s_mcneil said:
At 25k with all things stacking up it would be an ideal candidate for something like this...
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=230
Effectively rebuilding the engine to eliminate any wear doubt and making it a Sharkwerks 3.9
I wonder how much that kit costs? Anyone know? http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=230
Effectively rebuilding the engine to eliminate any wear doubt and making it a Sharkwerks 3.9
Koing
matc said:
£25k for the type customer who buys this car is going to be pretty much all of their budget, so running costs/depreciation etc. are going to be a very important factor when it comes to owning it. At £25k although on the face of it, it's a good price, I think the actual cost of ownership V's a £35k car is going to be huge, in terms of both depreciation and running costs.
This is broadly my take on it too.People often forget when they buy cars like this, even ones a good £10k less than comparable models with less mileage, is that they cost a lot more when they were new. It's a false economy to buy a car like this and presume that because it was cheap (relatively) to buy, it'll be commensurately cheap to maintain too. It was a ~£75k car when new and I wouldn't expect Porsche to treat it any differently than any other GT3 - ergo eye-watering repair bills if things go wrong.
Also I kinda think £25k isn't cheap enough to shoulder the risks and resale headaches. Don't get me wrong compared to other GT3s it's significantly cheaper, but it seems only arbitrarily cheaper factoring in the additional mileage. When the next owner tries to sell this car on themselves they're going to have issues I feel, ones that might perhaps make them wonder whether they would've been better off spending £10k more in the first place.
Tough call really.
Edited by Durzel on Wednesday 31st August 18:04
Koing said:
s_mcneil said:
At 25k with all things stacking up it would be an ideal candidate for something like this...
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=230
Effectively rebuilding the engine to eliminate any wear doubt and making it a Sharkwerks 3.9
I wonder how much that kit costs? Anyone know? http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=230
Effectively rebuilding the engine to eliminate any wear doubt and making it a Sharkwerks 3.9
Koing
boxsey said:
sportsandclassic said:
Someone buy it.... BOXSEY come on get out of that old 964 and into something more modern
I don't think I could part with it Mike.....but I suppose I could upgrade the boxster if push came to shove 
Mmmm GT3 
How do we give you the shove you need?
I'll even underwrite to give £15k for it in 5 years time, regardless of what the mileage may be by then (providing it's all in good serviceable condition of course).
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