991 Turbo S or V12 Vantage S
Poll: 991 Turbo S or V12 Vantage S
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Discussion
Like another poster I drove into an AM dealership in my 997.2 C2S and test drove a V8 Vantage, loved the noise but was so let down by the interior, it was awful for such a good looking car... the switch gear and the shiny dash put me right off...
The 997.2 C2S was then chopped in for a 997.2 GT3.
Lewy
The 997.2 C2S was then chopped in for a 997.2 GT3.
Lewy
GRBF430F1 said:
Those Ford parts are very expensive and exclusive and a hopeless Swedish Sat Nav
those are rather unforgiveable ,although I have to tell you the sat nav whilst messy does work and takes you where you want to go ,unlike many other systems I could mention (mercedes seem to be ignorant of 1 way streets for example).The dbs has volvo column stalks and sat nav hardware not sure what else though,(having run an xc90) ,and the controls are illogical and fiddly ,its a long way from perfect,but the interior just has a charm way beyond any porsche,and the v12v interior is pretty much the same.
P4ROT said:
Both are exciting, but the build qualities just aren't comparable imo (and the thought of running a v12v past warranty would terrify me)
All the owners seen quite pleased with how reliable the v12v is, on the other hand the thought of a porsche with out warranty would terrify me!I ran my V12V for 4 years without any incidents and seriously considered not to bother with the extended warranty. It is only 1200 pounds which pretty much reflects the (low) likelihood of something braking. It is by no mens a "high maintenance" vehicle. I have spent considerable more keeping my 993 in mint condition. These 993 buggers are quite expensive to maintain.
Interesting comments on ownership costs and reliability. Personal experience suggests Porsche's reliability and quality doesn't always live up to what is often claimed, having had two sets of serious problems with a C4 that the (main) dealership were extremely dishonest about in the second instance. This was followed by a MKII 996 GT3 which was surprisingly reliable!
Have owned a V12V for a year and have had no problems at all, but the thing which I find the most different is the attitude of the dealership. With Porsche I found it little different to buying and owning, say, a Ford, with sales being high pressure and after sales/service being relatively poor. With Aston I've found the dealership is always happy to go that extra mile to help, always friendly and personable.
Test drove a V12V S and immediately found it a lot more planted that the V12V, it just felt like it could handle the power while still being a bit bonkers and having an incredible sound. The gear box isn't stunning but no at the same time I didn't find it that bad, you just need to learn how to use it. Test drove a 991 Turbo S, incredibly fast and "easy" to drive fast, but the engine was soulless, sounding more like a hoover than a high performance super car engine. 991 GT3 next, wow that engine, not sure it has as much character as the one in my previous GT3, but still a much better car than the turbo S imo. Oh, PDK quick but un-involving. Overall lacking some of the character of the Aston. So tough choice, the Aston was noticeably slower than both of the 991 choices while being more of a handful, but still...
Ordered the V12V S, the engine and general character, past experience and dealer attitude all playing a part in the choice.
Have owned a V12V for a year and have had no problems at all, but the thing which I find the most different is the attitude of the dealership. With Porsche I found it little different to buying and owning, say, a Ford, with sales being high pressure and after sales/service being relatively poor. With Aston I've found the dealership is always happy to go that extra mile to help, always friendly and personable.
Test drove a V12V S and immediately found it a lot more planted that the V12V, it just felt like it could handle the power while still being a bit bonkers and having an incredible sound. The gear box isn't stunning but no at the same time I didn't find it that bad, you just need to learn how to use it. Test drove a 991 Turbo S, incredibly fast and "easy" to drive fast, but the engine was soulless, sounding more like a hoover than a high performance super car engine. 991 GT3 next, wow that engine, not sure it has as much character as the one in my previous GT3, but still a much better car than the turbo S imo. Oh, PDK quick but un-involving. Overall lacking some of the character of the Aston. So tough choice, the Aston was noticeably slower than both of the 991 choices while being more of a handful, but still...
Ordered the V12V S, the engine and general character, past experience and dealer attitude all playing a part in the choice.
JBaps said:
Interesting comments on ownership costs and reliability. Personal experience suggests Porsche's reliability and quality doesn't always live up to what is often claimed, having had two sets of serious problems with a C4 that the (main) dealership were extremely dishonest about in the second instance. This was followed by a MKII 996 GT3 which was surprisingly reliable!
Have owned a V12V for a year and have had no problems at all, but the thing which I find the most different is the attitude of the dealership. With Porsche I found it little different to buying and owning, say, a Ford, with sales being high pressure and after sales/service being relatively poor. With Aston I've found the dealership is always happy to go that extra mile to help, always friendly and personable.
Test drove a V12V S and immediately found it a lot more planted that the V12V, it just felt like it could handle the power while still being a bit bonkers and having an incredible sound. The gear box isn't stunning but no at the same time I didn't find it that bad, you just need to learn how to use it. Test drove a 991 Turbo S, incredibly fast and "easy" to drive fast, but the engine was soulless, sounding more like a hoover than a high performance super car engine. 991 GT3 next, wow that engine, not sure it has as much character as the one in my previous GT3, but still a much better car than the turbo S imo. Oh, PDK quick but un-involving. Overall lacking some of the character of the Aston. So tough choice, the Aston was noticeably slower than both of the 991 choices while being more of a handful, but still...
Ordered the V12V S, the engine and general character, past experience and dealer attitude all playing a part in the choice.
Main dealer service for aston and porsche is variable from dealer to dealer - you just have to look at both the Aston/Porsche forums. Once you have found or been recommended a good dealer/indy, the service normally remains consistently high. For me opc swindon have been absolutely excellent. The sales staff have never been annoying, have encouraged me to try out various machinery while waiting. They even arranged test drives across their different brands (mini, bmw etc) in their group and seem to be very passionate about cars in general - at one point encouraging me test out a 458 to compare. However, and probably more so with aston dealers, they charge a premium price - £900 for a minor service v £350 and £6k+ on 997s I was looking at in comparison to indys.Have owned a V12V for a year and have had no problems at all, but the thing which I find the most different is the attitude of the dealership. With Porsche I found it little different to buying and owning, say, a Ford, with sales being high pressure and after sales/service being relatively poor. With Aston I've found the dealership is always happy to go that extra mile to help, always friendly and personable.
Test drove a V12V S and immediately found it a lot more planted that the V12V, it just felt like it could handle the power while still being a bit bonkers and having an incredible sound. The gear box isn't stunning but no at the same time I didn't find it that bad, you just need to learn how to use it. Test drove a 991 Turbo S, incredibly fast and "easy" to drive fast, but the engine was soulless, sounding more like a hoover than a high performance super car engine. 991 GT3 next, wow that engine, not sure it has as much character as the one in my previous GT3, but still a much better car than the turbo S imo. Oh, PDK quick but un-involving. Overall lacking some of the character of the Aston. So tough choice, the Aston was noticeably slower than both of the 991 choices while being more of a handful, but still...
Ordered the V12V S, the engine and general character, past experience and dealer attitude all playing a part in the choice.
Looking forward to testing the V12V S and 991 Turbo S back to back - last time the Turbo S won! But it looks like Aston have listened and really moved the game on.
V12 S reviews haven't been great, splitting opinion and my local dealer still hasn't taken an order which I find a little surprising. To me it looks a little fussy after the V12V like the designers struggled to improve it so tried too hard. The paddleshift suits the car more and I think the new dual clutch systems in the Porsche, Ferrari and Mac are all too good for their own good being so smooth and uninvolving.
I would still go for an Aston over the Porsche because whilst not as good a piece of engineering its more of involving and more of an occasion. I think the FUN is being lost in the latest cars and technology and whilst I'm not suggesting going the classic route I think the latest new cars are not so appealing as say 2 or 3 years ago
I would still go for an Aston over the Porsche because whilst not as good a piece of engineering its more of involving and more of an occasion. I think the FUN is being lost in the latest cars and technology and whilst I'm not suggesting going the classic route I think the latest new cars are not so appealing as say 2 or 3 years ago
tjlees said:
Looking forward to testing the V12V S and 991 Turbo S back to back - last time the Turbo S won! But it looks like Aston have listened and really moved the game on.
Enjoy. They're still very different cars, wouldn't blame you if you went for the Turbo S it's a much more refined drive and is ridiculously quick.
GRBF430F1 said:
V12 S reviews haven't been great, splitting opinion and my local dealer still hasn't taken an order which I find a little surprising. To me it looks a little fussy after the V12V like the designers struggled to improve it so tried too hard. The paddleshift suits the car more and I think the new dual clutch systems in the Porsche, Ferrari and Mac are all too good for their own good being so smooth and uninvolving.
I would still go for an Aston over the Porsche because whilst not as good a piece of engineering its more of involving and more of an occasion. I think the FUN is being lost in the latest cars and technology and whilst I'm not suggesting going the classic route I think the latest new cars are not so appealing as say 2 or 3 years ago
I understand where you are at with the single v double clutch aspect. Having driven an Aventador the clutch I guess is similar to your Gallardo and it certainly brought a smile to my face and suited the character of the car....not unlike the "clunktronic" SMG on the e46 M3.I would still go for an Aston over the Porsche because whilst not as good a piece of engineering its more of involving and more of an occasion. I think the FUN is being lost in the latest cars and technology and whilst I'm not suggesting going the classic route I think the latest new cars are not so appealing as say 2 or 3 years ago
But for daily driving and everyday usage I think the current PDK and probably even the new 100 millisecond changing PDK S on the latest 991s would be my choice but whether they will prove just too fast and uninvolving for their own good we will have to see but I doubt it......
av185 said:
I understand where you are at with the single v double clutch aspect. Having driven an Aventador the clutch I guess is similar to your Gallardo and it certainly brought a smile to my face and suited the character of the car....not unlike the "clunktronic" SMG on the e46 M3.
But for daily driving and everyday usage I think the current PDK and probably even the new 100 millisecond changing PDK S on the latest 991s would be my choice but whether they will prove just too fast and uninvolving for their own good we will have to see but I doubt it......
Actually for me the Gallardo, e46 M3 SMG and M6 SMG in many ways made the cars, since having the slam in the back on each gear change on a full charge had both a brutal and primeval feel. Terrible on low speed manoeuvres and general running around but I could live with that. The 997 PDK does have the GT bit sorted but still annoys me that it sometimes changes on manual mode without intervention. But for daily driving and everyday usage I think the current PDK and probably even the new 100 millisecond changing PDK S on the latest 991s would be my choice but whether they will prove just too fast and uninvolving for their own good we will have to see but I doubt it......
Pick the worst Porsche and the best Aston...of course lots of people will pick the Aston.
There probably is a gap in the Porsche line-up: a stupidly powerful, luxury GT/sports car with some character and good looks.
The GT3 is a proper sports car/racer so doesnt count. It is also as ugly as sin. I am sorry, but it is. I looks like the mother of all boy-racer-mobiles. It looks "purposeful" etc, but nobody would say it is a thing of beauty.
The problems with the Turbo are (a) it is also ugly and (b) it is not NA.
There probably is a gap in the Porsche line-up: a stupidly powerful, luxury GT/sports car with some character and good looks.
The GT3 is a proper sports car/racer so doesnt count. It is also as ugly as sin. I am sorry, but it is. I looks like the mother of all boy-racer-mobiles. It looks "purposeful" etc, but nobody would say it is a thing of beauty.
The problems with the Turbo are (a) it is also ugly and (b) it is not NA.
tjlees said:
av185 said:
I understand where you are at with the single v double clutch aspect. Having driven an Aventador the clutch I guess is similar to your Gallardo and it certainly brought a smile to my face and suited the character of the car....not unlike the "clunktronic" SMG on the e46 M3.
But for daily driving and everyday usage I think the current PDK and probably even the new 100 millisecond changing PDK S on the latest 991s would be my choice but whether they will prove just too fast and uninvolving for their own good we will have to see but I doubt it......
Actually for me the Gallardo, e46 M3 SMG and M6 SMG in many ways made the cars, since having the slam in the back on each gear change on a full charge had both a brutal and primeval feel. Terrible on low speed manoeuvres and general running around but I could live with that. The 997 PDK does have the GT bit sorted but still annoys me that it sometimes changes on manual mode without intervention. But for daily driving and everyday usage I think the current PDK and probably even the new 100 millisecond changing PDK S on the latest 991s would be my choice but whether they will prove just too fast and uninvolving for their own good we will have to see but I doubt it......
Great though when too lazy to change down e.g slowing down approaching a junction and left in manual mode auto change kicks in.
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