Any articles/opinions on 993 TT v/s 996 TT?
Discussion
grant3 said:
silver993tt said:
Depends if you like a mature bottle of St Emmilion Grand Cru or a bottle of last years New World Chardonnay that's been blended for the 'modern' palate.
I know what I'd rather have, the mature full bodied one with the taste of deep fruit rather than the one that tastes of cheap aftershave
I know what I'd rather have, the mature full bodied one with the taste of deep fruit rather than the one that tastes of cheap aftershave
Edited by silver993tt on Tuesday 31st October 14:53
Except the Grand Cru has been around for a long while, has had many owners & hasn't been looked after properly, it has become corked & tastes like sh*t, the bottle looks nice though!
Actually the 95,96 an 97 Grand Cru's were vintage years and one does pay a premium for quality and pedigree.
Also I am the 3rd owner so not too shabby
My 993 turbo is alot more fun at lower speeds than my previous Boxster S. Has a much nicer interior, makes a better sound and has double the torque. I drove 2 996tt's from different dealerships and whilst I noticed a difference between them, they both provided me with efficient, fast but a kind of 'common' modern car feel. The 993 turbo didn't and I use it on long journeys across Europe (to Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Switzerland etc) along which it delivers fantastically both in terms of entertainment, comfort and practicality.
silver993tt said:
My 993 turbo is alot more fun at lower speeds than my previous Boxster S. Has a much nicer interior, makes a better sound and has double the torque. I drove 2 996tt's from different dealerships and whilst I noticed a difference between them, they both provided me with efficient, fast but a kind of 'common' modern car feel. The 993 turbo didn't and I use it on long journeys across Europe (to Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Switzerland etc) along which it delivers fantastically both in terms of entertainment, comfort and practicality.
Fair point but the steering on the 993tt imo is terrible compared to the 996tt.Most Porsche enthusiasts rave about the steering feel and feedback as one of the main reasons that 911's stand apart from other brands ..to me all the air cooled Porsches steer like Sainsburys trolleys...imho of course
silver993tt said:
My 993 turbo is alot more fun at lower speeds than my previous Boxster S. Has a much nicer interior, makes a better sound and has double the torque. I drove 2 996tt's from different dealerships and whilst I noticed a difference between them, they both provided me with efficient, fast but a kind of 'common' modern car feel. The 993 turbo didn't and I use it on long journeys across Europe (to Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Switzerland etc) along which it delivers fantastically both in terms of entertainment, comfort and practicality.
Sounds epic. You did all this driving in an LHD car?
kayc said:
silver993tt said:
My 993 turbo is alot more fun at lower speeds than my previous Boxster S. Has a much nicer interior, makes a better sound and has double the torque. I drove 2 996tt's from different dealerships and whilst I noticed a difference between them, they both provided me with efficient, fast but a kind of 'common' modern car feel. The 993 turbo didn't and I use it on long journeys across Europe (to Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Switzerland etc) along which it delivers fantastically both in terms of entertainment, comfort and practicality.
Fair point but the steering on the 993tt imo is terrible compared to the 996tt.Most Porsche enthusiasts rave about the steering feel and feedback as one of the main reasons that 911's stand apart from other brands ..to me all the air cooled Porsches steer like Sainsburys trolleys...imho of courseNot sure about the cars you drove but I had my wheel alignment carried out in August and the difference was incredible, especially on the autobahn where it was rock solid at 160mph. Before that it would be a bit light and imprecise. I'd left it 18 months since the previous alignment check. I think that the cars are very sensitive to this (and tyre pressures) and am convinced many aren't aligned (combined with wrong tyre pressures) with enough accuracy hence giving them an uncertain feel. With the alignment set accuratels, i'm convinced that the feel is as good as my Boxster S which if you've driven one of those will know has very good steering feel.
silver993tt said:
kayc said:
silver993tt said:
My 993 turbo is alot more fun at lower speeds than my previous Boxster S. Has a much nicer interior, makes a better sound and has double the torque. I drove 2 996tt's from different dealerships and whilst I noticed a difference between them, they both provided me with efficient, fast but a kind of 'common' modern car feel. The 993 turbo didn't and I use it on long journeys across Europe (to Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Switzerland etc) along which it delivers fantastically both in terms of entertainment, comfort and practicality.
Fair point but the steering on the 993tt imo is terrible compared to the 996tt.Most Porsche enthusiasts rave about the steering feel and feedback as one of the main reasons that 911's stand apart from other brands ..to me all the air cooled Porsches steer like Sainsburys trolleys...imho of courseNot sure about the cars you drove but I had my wheel alignment carried out in August and the difference was incredible, especially on the autobahn where it was rock solid at 160mph. Before that it would be a bit light and imprecise. I'd left it 18 months since the previous alignment check. I think that the cars are very sensitive to this (and tyre pressures) and am convinced many aren't aligned (combined with wrong tyre pressures) with enough accuracy hence giving them an uncertain feel. With the alignment set accuratels, i'm convinced that the feel is as good as my Boxster S which if you've driven one of those will know has very good steering feel.
Edited by kayc on Tuesday 31st October 15:35
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
silver993tt said:
My 993 turbo is alot more fun at lower speeds than my previous Boxster S. Has a much nicer interior, makes a better sound and has double the torque. I drove 2 996tt's from different dealerships and whilst I noticed a difference between them, they both provided me with efficient, fast but a kind of 'common' modern car feel. The 993 turbo didn't and I use it on long journeys across Europe (to Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Switzerland etc) along which it delivers fantastically both in terms of entertainment, comfort and practicality.
Sounds epic. You did all this driving in an LHD car?
Mines RHD. I bought it a few months before I knew I would be based in Europe for a while. I find RHD no problem on the continent. In the twisty roads it's swings & roundabouts. On the right handers I can see round the bend alot further than a left hander. Opposite is facet for left hand curves. On motorways it makes no difference. In towns traffic lights can be hidden behind the rear view mirror if you are the first in line, big deal.
Sure the pedals are slightly offset to the left but after a couple of hours you don't notice it.
Edited to add: I changed my shock absorbers to Bilstein HD's a couple of years ago, fantastic transformation which also helped high speed stability. Cost 700 quid but the car was 7 years old at the time. I'm sure the 996tt at 7+ years will also need a shock replacement.
Edited by silver993tt on Tuesday 31st October 15:35
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
Ah VS... just the information I wanted explored! Could you elaborate further on your post please? Why is it more fun? This is important, because after all that is what it is all about...
Is the turbo lag a factor in this car inspite of its twins?
Have to admit the size of a 996 puts me off a bit, the 993 seems smaller!
More fun because it can't go around corners as fast but it's much easier to explore the limits because it doesn't bite as hard when it goes. Plus you're going significantly slower when you do breach the limits, so there is less fear of trashing your pride and joy.
The turbo's extra weight does count severely against it, a 996tt is heavy too but is much more composed and thus even faster across country than a 993tt, but again it's MUCH less involving at an given speed.
A lighter 993 (C2 for example) is agile and nimble and very tactile at more modest speeds - by extrapolation you can well imagine what a 993RS is like...
I'm convinced that a 993tt was the fastest cross country car money could buy when it was new, and the 996tt was even faster, safer, and more capable when that came out. No doubt if you challenged two averagely talented drivers to get from south wales to north wales on single carriageway roads, if one of them was in a 997tt he/she would win (against almost anything else you can name i'd say) irrespective of weather conditions, daylight, etc.
But outright speed does not equal FUN.
Just my opinion, of course...
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
[quote=tertius]
Well my standard NA Carrera manged 158 at VMax which I think is respectable, it certainlt felt effing fast to me, though as nothing compared to 197 in drhildr's RUF GT2 ...
Top speed matters very little to me, its the 10 - 60 and 30 - 100's that I enjoy the most.
Well my standard NA Carrera manged 158 at VMax which I think is respectable, it certainlt felt effing fast to me, though as nothing compared to 197 in drhildr's RUF GT2 ...
Top speed matters very little to me, its the 10 - 60 and 30 - 100's that I enjoy the most.
I agree with you, but I thought it was indicative of overall capability - also bear in mind it has to get there in about a mile and a half at Bruntingthorpe - and it was the only "real" (ie personally experienced and verified through the timing beams) performance number I had to hand ...
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
tertius said:
Looks really great, but personally I'd look for a "standard" 408 turbo, things like the large tank are a negative from my perspective though the yellow calipers are cool ...
Could you explain why you would prefer a standard over this particular car if you could spare a moment Tertius? Why are some of the mods negatives?
Well they aren't strictly mods as I'm sure that's how it left the factory, but ... its a Turbo S, so heavier, stiffer and more powerful, but not I suspect necessarily faster or nicer to drive than a standard turbo, however, it (rightly) carries a price premium because of it.
Also the large tank uses up precious luggage space.
Personally I feel that a standard 408 bhp turbo is plenty fast enough anyway, and (I understand from talking to VS) could be relatively easily tuned to out perform an S.
Just put my 993 TT in the classifieds,
A right bargain and if sold a very sad day.
You probabley dont want my point of view, but the 996 TT was far too easy to drive ( didnt tiff say his grandmother could drive one fast, the easiest driving super car ever made ). It wanst far from the Audi S4 I had, it lacked the sole I was looking for hence the move to the 993 TT. The interior of the 993 is fantastic, plain basic and simple just as a drivers car should be.
A right bargain and if sold a very sad day.
You probabley dont want my point of view, but the 996 TT was far too easy to drive ( didnt tiff say his grandmother could drive one fast, the easiest driving super car ever made ). It wanst far from the Audi S4 I had, it lacked the sole I was looking for hence the move to the 993 TT. The interior of the 993 is fantastic, plain basic and simple just as a drivers car should be.
clubsport said:
Obvious respect to your experience KayC, but having owned and driven several Porsches including 996...I have to say the steering and turn in on my 993 is about as good as I have experienced on any Porsche including the lighter 2.7RS...most peculiar 
Not that peculiar no,yours may be very well sorted...i think it still very difficult for anyone to say that a regular 993 handles better than a 996.The same as i would say that a 997 handles better than a 996..if Porsche hadnt developed these cars to go quicker,handle better and drive more consistently they would have gone bust(because 90% of non Porsche fans thought the air cooled cars were downright dangerous) .Its called evolution.Take the extremes...930 turbo through 997tt..which handles better?Im not talking about which is fun,im talking about which is the better engineered car..no contest.My 993 C4S was absolutely horribe over 100 mph and a bit rubbish in corners. New wishbones, front shocks and springs etc and it is superb. It taught me you need to make sure everything is working right before you assess handling and on most 993s unless its been replaced its unlikley to be working at its best
I think it is fair to say that progress at Porsche marches on and each subsequent model will be "better" than the last. It will be more comfortable, efficient and faster.
What it loses along the way seems to be "character", but this is a fairly subjective concept depending on who you talk to. It depends on what you are looking for...
The purpose of this thread is not to establish which is the superior machine. The 996 is better than the 993 and the 997 better than the 996.
I would say the purpose of this thread is the discussion of the intangibles, the little niggles, the running costs and of course envy per mile (EPM)driven!
edited to say: and thank you for the many kind offers to speak and see your cars. I will certainly get in touch!
What it loses along the way seems to be "character", but this is a fairly subjective concept depending on who you talk to. It depends on what you are looking for...
The purpose of this thread is not to establish which is the superior machine. The 996 is better than the 993 and the 997 better than the 996.
I would say the purpose of this thread is the discussion of the intangibles, the little niggles, the running costs and of course envy per mile (EPM)driven!
edited to say: and thank you for the many kind offers to speak and see your cars. I will certainly get in touch!
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Tuesday 31st October 17:28
tertius said:
Also the large tank uses up precious luggage space.
Seconded! I've found that I need comfort breaks before fuel stops meaning the extra range isn't really of much use. I suppose if you can cruise at 120 mph or more the extra capacity starts to come into its own.
Edited by phelix on Tuesday 31st October 20:09
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