Donington Park 11-11-12

[tjlees]

keep it lit said:

tjlees said:

<powerful car with standard tyres and no aero> + <craners flat out> = scenery/car interface problem ...
which I know does at least 137mph on Druids at oulton

what race car please?

First was an atom and second is a Ultima in race spec ... Very forgiving for people with no talent ... I did try entering craners at 125+ in the atom but that started very badly and almost ended the same way.

[BIG GT2]

the video does look frustrating. it reminds me of the backmarkers in the future classics series i occasionally compete in, the guys at the front are a pleasure to race with the ones at the arse end of the grid never look in there mirrors. i nearly got took out at donington, spa and castle combe. i know racings close but these guys are unbelievable. i wouldnt mind if i caught a battle but its usually a wally on there own. back to the trackday, i know everyone has paid the same money but 75% of the cars you catch on the video dont look in there mirrors.
they are far more dangerous than the gt3 guy whos trying to go fast, it does look a bit racy at times but imo if he hadnt took any chances/overtakes where he shouldnt have according to trackday rules he would of been stuck behind a saab now. the one with the novice cross was shocking. i liked the big balls moment round the outside of the turbo even if the organisers dont! if all trackdays are this frustrating these days you should take up racing. its expensive but a few meetings a year are still good?

mark

[keep it lit]

tjlees said:

First was an atom and second is a Ultima in race spec ... Very forgiving for people with no talent ... I did try entering craners at 125+ in the atom but that started very badly and almost ended the same way.

sorry pal but neither an Atom or an Ultima could get anywhere near carrying speeds like 137mph through Druids @ Oulton.

[MrCooke]

Is your GT3 coin operated Mike?

[sportsandclassic]

MrCooke said:

Is your GT3 coin operated Mike?

From all the noise when cornering..?

[MrCooke]

Aye, sounds like coins dropping into a fruity to me.

[sportsandclassic]

MrCooke said:

Aye, sounds like coins dropping into a fruity to me.

Things rolling arond glove box! Should of removed them before heading out.

The car certainly feels coin operated as every time I drive it it cost's me money

Mike

[tjlees]

keep it lit said:

tjlees said:

First was an atom and second is a Ultima in race spec ... Very forgiving for people with no talent ... I did try entering craners at 125+ in the atom but that started very badly and almost ended the same way.

sorry pal but neither an Atom or an Ultima could get anywhere near carrying speeds like 137mph through Druids @ Oulton.

Never said an atom could - for Ultima see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoigMFX2ivM&fea... - a caparo T1 does this in 1:10.6

[keep it lit]

ok mate I love and respect Ultimas.. been on track with plenty over the years at many tracks. I don't now much about the Top Gear laptimes other than what i see on the shows.. but I do know what speeds can be taken around what corners at my local track Oulton.. an race Ultima may be able to enter Druids at 100++ mph but it will not carry that entry speed and could never exit near 137mph..

for ref; data showed our GT CUP Class 1 race winning TVR Sagaris 420hp & 1050kgs on new slicks and piloted by Danny Winstanley (one of hottest young GT racers around) exited Druids @ 96mph on a 1.41s winning lap.

Edited by keep it lit on Thursday 15th November 22:20

[rob.kellock]

1.41s - fooking hell!

Was there on Tuesday, Druids scares me in the dry, in the November leaf strewn damp it was... Interesting.

There is no way 130+ is achievable in anything less than a spaceship surely?

[fioran0]

Mike
Since no one else has said it....
Your use of that cars tank slapper to get past a bunch of cars was excellent.
I loved it probably as much as I did your line round mcleans/coppice (going by track map, I've never been there)

The general turbo owner should also be shown this video to understand how frustrating their turning every circuit into foreplay for a drag race is.

[fioran0]

This is what I bet it looked like from inside some of those other cars

http://youtu.be/0Ko4kFD7gOI

[jackal]

keep it lit said:

for ref; data showed our GT CUP Class 1 race winning TVR Sagaris 420hp & 1050kgs on new slicks and piloted by Danny Winstanley (one of hottest young GT racers around) exited Druids @ 96mph on a 1.41s winning lap.

whereabouts exactly do you mean on the circuit ? 96mph seems a bit slow for that kind of lap

[jackal]

fioran0 said:

This is what I bet it looked like from inside some of those other cars

http://youtu.be/0Ko4kFD7gOI

LOL, that ace .. one for the bookmarks

[sportsandclassic]

fioran0 said:

Mike
Since no one else has said it....
Your use of that cars tank slapper to get past a bunch of cars was excellent.
I loved it probably as much as I did your line round mcleans/coppice (going by track map, I've never been there)

The general turbo owner should also be shown this video to understand how frustrating their turning every circuit into foreplay for a drag race is.

Thanks Neil, it was frustrating as he had all the power in a straight line but in the bends I am having to hold back otherwise would drive in to the back of his car. At some points I have gone slightly too close and could see the whites of his eyes in rear view mirror, but still he will not move over and I think another few minutes and I would of got past but would of been a risky move round a bend as was getting frustrated.

Still enjoyed it as it does show that the GT3 although down on power can still hold its own with a forced induction 4 wheel drive car, would of been nice to see him drive it round with all the electronics turned off

Mike

[sportsandclassic]

fioran0 said:

This is what I bet it looked like from inside some of those other cars

http://youtu.be/0Ko4kFD7gOI

Just saw this, brilliant and even in blue!

[Steve H]

jackwood said:

cbcbcb said:

sportsandclassic said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ak5ySntHU0&sns... (better quality now!)

A question for other more experienced track day goers: is the overtake at 1:37 in this video really within the normal rules for a track day? It looks to me that this overtake is performed throughout the corner, which doesn't match my expectations of "on the straights, and only by consent".

(Not a dig at the OP, almost everyone was overtaking like this on the day and I'm wondering if my expectations are wrong)

That section of track isn't really a bend or a straight. I overtook hundreds of cars through that section. It's not a braking zone and as long as the car in front is staying wide to the right I would take that as an indication to pass.
That is my opinion on that section of track and of that particular manoeuvre.

As already stated, there is an apex there which clearly makes it a bend and as cars are generally starting from the right you won't know how wide they are going to stay until you have committed to the overtake, a clear signal from the car in front is really the way to work in a case like that and so far as I could see there wasn't one; sometimes it is obvious from the cars line but it looked to me like the only obvious thing there was that the driver of one 911 didn't want the other one to gain any ground on him. It didn't cause a problem in this case as he saw the car coming through and had grip to spare but would the overtaking car have been able to avoid an impact if he hadn't been spotted? I doubt it.

It's frustrating driving a quick car on a mixed trackday sometimes but you know the rules when you arrive.........



On the 137mph at Druids question, that's most probably the peak approach speed through Watertower on the approach, for most race cars this is the peak speed point round the full circuit.

[keep it lit]

jackal said:

whereabouts exactly do you mean on the circuit ? 96mph seems a bit slow for that kind of lap

Druids exit.

[keep it lit]

[quote=Steve
On the 137mph at Druids question, that's most probably the peak approach speed through Watertower on the approach, for most race cars this is the peak speed point round the full circuit.
[/quote]

similar entry speed to Island bend.

[jackal]

keep it lit said:

jackal said:

whereabouts exactly do you mean on the circuit ? 96mph seems a bit slow for that kind of lap

Druids exit.

Maybe check your data as my old logs say 92mph for druids exit and 1) i'm no senna 2) this was on ~1.53 laps

That said, i'm in full agreement that 137 is ridiculous. Maybe he means the peak speed on the straight after druids before braking for lodge ?