Typical nanny state reaction (GT crash reaction)
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Seriously... (typical Daily Mail t
tish reporting)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517384/Sh...
tish reporting)http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517384/Sh...
What is really sad about that article is that it refers to how hard it is to drive at the limit, and therefore should be off the road, a car like the CGT shouldn't be driven at the limit, no excuse!
It is no good citing how a couple of people lost control whilst ttting round a track, FFS you can loose a mini whilst ttting round a track.
Whilst any death is sad and needless, those photos show the tree embedded right up to the windscreen, clearly that didn't happen at 30 mph. Appropriate speed and all that.
It is no good citing how a couple of people lost control whilst t
tting round a track, FFS you can loose a mini whilst ttting round a track.Whilst any death is sad and needless, those photos show the tree embedded right up to the windscreen, clearly that didn't happen at 30 mph. Appropriate speed and all that.
LordHaveMurci said:
it was established there was 'handling problems' with the vehicle.
Enough said really.
There absolutely WAS NOT established any such thing . Porsche paid out the amount they estimated defending the case would cost voluntarily and without any fault being admitted by them or attributed to them . The majority of the payout was by the organisers who directed a car out of the pits into the line of fire of a carrera gt doing between 100 and 150 mph . The driver ( rip ) could not see this till it was too late and crashed into a wall ( trying to avoid the ferrari ) that was NOT EVEN MEANT TO BE THERE ( it had been moved far an event earlier and was not put back where it was meant to be ).Enough said really.
This is shameful , inaccurate , hysterical , hand wringing Daily FAIL at its best .
Edited by wtdoom on Tuesday 3rd December 14:28
I'm very sad to hear of these deaths , of any deaths in fact .
The problem I have Is with this article , it's sensationalist attitude and the inaccuracies and plain fallacies contained therein .
There is nothing inherently dangerous about the carrera gt . I have done over 30000 miles in 2 carrera gt's and have driven all over Europe . On road , track , runway and autobahn .
This is a 612 hp mid engined Supercar , it has no stability control and a race bred chassis . It is only as dangerous as the driver wants it to be . It communicates like no other car I have ever experienced ( rubbishing the sudden snap oversteer nonsense ) and really is a race car for the road .
The Walter Rohrl comments are incomplete and out of context . They were made at a time to increase excitement for a delayed product , the quotes that he was terrified and the car spins it's wheels up to 5th gear are laughable if not for the serious context in which they are now being used . They were also made BEFORE the car was fitted with traction control ( while still in development ) and made after a full on attack lap of the ring in the pouring rain . A full on attack lap of the ring in the pouring rain is terrifying in a 4x4 let alone a 612 hp pre production Supercar .Their facts regarding the court case was also wrong ( as explained above ) .
Walter signed off the car and has said many times and in many places he rates the carrera gt as one of , if not the very best car he has ever been involved with .
It's funny car enthusiasts berate manufacturers for not having the balls to make true drivers cars , it's interesting that when they do make one it is subjected to this type of internet hysteria .
The carrera gt is a sublime , life affirming driving experience . An unmatched last hurrah for the true analogue Supercar made from a modified f1 engine later modified for Le Mans before finally being made road legal and put in the closest chassis to a race car for the road any manufacturer has had the purity of purpose to create . It absolutely demands respect ( as any 600 plus hp Supercar does ) but is it any more dangerous than a comparable car ? Absolutely not .
The problem I have Is with this article , it's sensationalist attitude and the inaccuracies and plain fallacies contained therein .
There is nothing inherently dangerous about the carrera gt . I have done over 30000 miles in 2 carrera gt's and have driven all over Europe . On road , track , runway and autobahn .
This is a 612 hp mid engined Supercar , it has no stability control and a race bred chassis . It is only as dangerous as the driver wants it to be . It communicates like no other car I have ever experienced ( rubbishing the sudden snap oversteer nonsense ) and really is a race car for the road .
The Walter Rohrl comments are incomplete and out of context . They were made at a time to increase excitement for a delayed product , the quotes that he was terrified and the car spins it's wheels up to 5th gear are laughable if not for the serious context in which they are now being used . They were also made BEFORE the car was fitted with traction control ( while still in development ) and made after a full on attack lap of the ring in the pouring rain . A full on attack lap of the ring in the pouring rain is terrifying in a 4x4 let alone a 612 hp pre production Supercar .Their facts regarding the court case was also wrong ( as explained above ) .
Walter signed off the car and has said many times and in many places he rates the carrera gt as one of , if not the very best car he has ever been involved with .
It's funny car enthusiasts berate manufacturers for not having the balls to make true drivers cars , it's interesting that when they do make one it is subjected to this type of internet hysteria .
The carrera gt is a sublime , life affirming driving experience . An unmatched last hurrah for the true analogue Supercar made from a modified f1 engine later modified for Le Mans before finally being made road legal and put in the closest chassis to a race car for the road any manufacturer has had the purity of purpose to create . It absolutely demands respect ( as any 600 plus hp Supercar does ) but is it any more dangerous than a comparable car ? Absolutely not .
Edited by wtdoom on Tuesday 3rd December 14:47
Eyewitness account
“Roger lost control of the control. They didn’t spin or anything. They went into a tree. They hit four trees and took a big light pole down. The light pole came down and the car bounced off of it. And then they crashed into a tree, that’s what eventually stopped the car,” Jim said.
30 mph ? You decide .
“Roger lost control of the control. They didn’t spin or anything. They went into a tree. They hit four trees and took a big light pole down. The light pole came down and the car bounced off of it. And then they crashed into a tree, that’s what eventually stopped the car,” Jim said.
30 mph ? You decide .
wtdoom said:
The carrera gt is a sublime , life affirming driving experience . An unmatched last hurrah for the true analogue Supercar made from a modified f1 engine later modified for Le Mans before finally being made road legal and put in the closest chassis to a race car for the road any manufacturer has had the purity of purpose to create . It absolutely demands respect ( as any 600 plus hp Supercar does ) but is it any more dangerous than a comparable car ? Absolutely not .
+1.. absolutely the above, could not agree more.Daily Mail full of st as usual.
However, I did read (in the thread on here) that people suspect that there may have been a fluid leak at the front of the car, hence the fire. Supposedly skid marks show no steering was applied. Sounds a bit fanciful to me, but just putting it out there.
t as usual.However, I did read (in the thread on here) that people suspect that there may have been a fluid leak at the front of the car, hence the fire. Supposedly skid marks show no steering was applied. Sounds a bit fanciful to me, but just putting it out there.
There was some talk (in the press) about the two taking it out to test it and make sure it was functioning OK after someone else kept stalling it whilst trying to put it in a garage which just sounds like more media BS since CGTs always stall unless the driver explicitly knows what he is doing....
I said it before, by definition these are dangerous cars, way too many have been crashed for any other conclusion.... the new approved MPSS tyres are going to help but they will continue to crash - this is very sad....
I said it before, by definition these are dangerous cars, way too many have been crashed for any other conclusion.... the new approved MPSS tyres are going to help but they will continue to crash - this is very sad....
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