Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
Discussion
It would be good to have a dedicated thread on these tyres, as they appear to be the current state of the art road/track tyre, and are attracting quite a lot of attention in other (semi-unrelated) threads.
I'm extremely interested to hear peoples views about them against the Cup+, PSS etc, not just on track but also on the road. Are they hard and crashy against the PSS for example? Anyone been through standing water at pace in them? Optimum pressures, etc?
I'll start us off with a pic shamelessly stolen from jackwood on another thread, not sure whose car these are on
I'm extremely interested to hear peoples views about them against the Cup+, PSS etc, not just on track but also on the road. Are they hard and crashy against the PSS for example? Anyone been through standing water at pace in them? Optimum pressures, etc?
I'll start us off with a pic shamelessly stolen from jackwood on another thread, not sure whose car these are on
For MPSC 2 currently 6 sizings available in N spec (NO) : http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...
Details under Sizes and Labelling Classes tab.
Have fitted a set to my 7.2 GT3 RS...so far a distinctly positive improvement...
(Thanks to Event Tyres for supply as well)
Details under Sizes and Labelling Classes tab.
Have fitted a set to my 7.2 GT3 RS...so far a distinctly positive improvement...
(Thanks to Event Tyres for supply as well)
Edited by BMCG on Tuesday 12th August 07:57
Hi,
The Cup 1 tyres I always found ok in the wet on track... Always got comments like " How do you find so much grip in the wet with these tyres ?"
The Cup 2 tyres are on another level in the wet, in the dry I personally found regulating the pressures was more demanding than the Cup 1 tyres and also felt them go off quicker.. this was apparent at SPA in June.
The wear rate does seem a whole lot better than Cup 1 tyres so will see how much more I can get out of them as if the only down side is they go off quicker in the dry but last 2-3 times longer and perform better in the wet then I can live with that.
I have a few more track days to do yet this year so will update this thread when I have got some more use out of them....
Does anyone need a set of Cup 1 tyres brand new never fitted to rims ? 996GT3 MKII size, will fit MKI as well.
Mike
The Cup 1 tyres I always found ok in the wet on track... Always got comments like " How do you find so much grip in the wet with these tyres ?"
The Cup 2 tyres are on another level in the wet, in the dry I personally found regulating the pressures was more demanding than the Cup 1 tyres and also felt them go off quicker.. this was apparent at SPA in June.
The wear rate does seem a whole lot better than Cup 1 tyres so will see how much more I can get out of them as if the only down side is they go off quicker in the dry but last 2-3 times longer and perform better in the wet then I can live with that.
I have a few more track days to do yet this year so will update this thread when I have got some more use out of them....
Does anyone need a set of Cup 1 tyres brand new never fitted to rims ? 996GT3 MKII size, will fit MKI as well.
Mike
nxi20 said:
+1
I can also add that they offer better grip in the wet & dry than Supersports. )
Do you have to caveat that statement with a comment about standing water ? Surely the SS is the tyre of choice for non track GTs because of its performance in the wet and especially the benefit of their increased tread depth and ability to resist aquaplaning (compared to Cups).I can also add that they offer better grip in the wet & dry than Supersports. )
Illustrative pic (cos I like it ) of SS in action at V high speed
Edited by TB993tt on Tuesday 12th August 09:40
TB993tt said:
Do you have to caveat that statement with a comment about standing water ? Surely the SS is the tyre of choice for non track GTs because of its performance in the wet and especially the benefit of their increased tread depth and ability to resist aquaplaning (compared to Cups).
Not in my experience (but speaking specifically about corner grip I guess); I've seen well over 100 in standing water on both (on a track) and I felt more in contact with what the car was doing under me on the Cup2s. I've had spins on both types of tyre in the wet and I felt the Cup2s were less sudden in their breakaway characteristics. Both of those observations were on virtually new tyres. I suspect that the Cup2 would become compromised in the wet more quickly that the SS once both have some wear on them. At really high speeds in the wet (over 140 say), I'm sure the SS would be the better tyre.I'm so impressed by Cup2s that I'm considering changing the perfectly adequate AD08 tyres on my road-only 993 GT2 recreation for Cup2s.
ETA: I don't have a huge amount of experience of these tyres at really high speed on a sodden track as I usually have race wets available for those conditions.
Edited by nxi20 on Tuesday 12th August 09:51
I had a look at the official Euro testing specs for size 325/30 X 19
Cup 2
Fuel = E
Rain = C
Noise = 73 Db
Supersports
Fuel = E
Rain = A
Noise = 75 Db
The Cup + got an E for rain so the Cup 2 seems a big improvement on that measure. The really shocking one is that the Cup 2 is quieter than the SS, not a metric for the track but nice to have for those nasty Belgium motorways !
Cup 2
Fuel = E
Rain = C
Noise = 73 Db
Supersports
Fuel = E
Rain = A
Noise = 75 Db
The Cup + got an E for rain so the Cup 2 seems a big improvement on that measure. The really shocking one is that the Cup 2 is quieter than the SS, not a metric for the track but nice to have for those nasty Belgium motorways !
[quote=nxi20 Worst tyre by far on that surface is the R888.
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Agreed, I thought I was losing my mind when last did the trip on 888s. Like Chinese Water torture.
Just got this email. Happy days!
Hi Simon,
Michelin Pilot Sport 2 Cup 2’s (Non porsche rating) on order:
235/ 40 / 18 - (available from the 22nd of August)
295 / 30 / 18 - (available within a few days)
Kind Regards,
Lydia
Lydia Marshall
WORKSHOP COORDINATOR
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Agreed, I thought I was losing my mind when last did the trip on 888s. Like Chinese Water torture.
Just got this email. Happy days!
Hi Simon,
Michelin Pilot Sport 2 Cup 2’s (Non porsche rating) on order:
235/ 40 / 18 - (available from the 22nd of August)
295 / 30 / 18 - (available within a few days)
Kind Regards,
Lydia
Lydia Marshall
WORKSHOP COORDINATOR
I wrote the launch article for GT Porsche Magazine so have compared them directly to the Cup+.
My thoughts are in the magazine, and here: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilo...
Any other questions please ask, but it was over a year ago now.
My thoughts are in the magazine, and here: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilo...
Any other questions please ask, but it was over a year ago now.
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