Mr White & Mr Orange
Mr White & Mr Orange
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jeremyc

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28,186 posts

314 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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Thanks to the nice people at ecurie25 I had the opportunity to check on the progress that Porsche AG have made in their flagship normally aspirated product over the last six or seven years by comparing the latest 997 GT3 with my own 996 Mk1 example. And surprise, surprise - they've made a very fine job of the progression (you didn’t expect me to say anything else, did you?)!





Let's cut to the chase: this is a fantastic drivers' 911 - blindingly fast, superb handling and an engine to die for. As is well documented, a GT3 (any GT3) is a pretty uncompromising road car so it isn’t going to be everyone's cup of tea, but if you like you journeys to be involving and something of an event then you have to try one. Most strikingly the power delivery is much more like the punch of a heavyweight compared to the middleweight 996 - hardly surprising given the increase power and torque - a real thump in the back as opposed to the impression of a more nimble fighter who has to utilise the speed at which the power can be wound up to good effect. Undoubtedly this impression is amplified by the storming soundtrack emitted by the 997 car - especially with the 'sport' switch engaged ears - but subjectively it also covers the ground quicker as well. As for all GT3 variants the engine is more than willing to rev, with the tacho needle willingly spinning to the 8,400rpm red line (or should I say little yellow change-up light) whilst the car emits a spin tingling, bass-enhanced wail.

The grip afforded by the sticky Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyres is unreal, even in damp conditions, with the traction control remaining unprovoked for the whole weekend (yes I know: I must try harder next time ). The suspension is as stiff as the predecessors', with the need for the switchable PASM a bit of a mystery: to be honest I wasn't able to detect much of a difference between 'normal' and 'sport' modes, both offering 'shake-your-fillings-out' facilities over poor B road surfaces. In the end I simply kept it in the 'sport' positions, as I bet most enthusiastic owners will do - it probably takes an experienced test driver and a race track to detect handling differences between the two. It is all good though with less of the characteristic 'bobbing front' and mind-of-its-own steering wheel than the Mk. 1, with my favourite pastime being carrying obscene speeds through twisty B road corners and feeling that perfectly hooked-up punch out of them - exploiting the higher realms of the speed capabilities of the car is just not possible on public roads; real throw away the cell door keys territory. You can detect that there is more mass to manage, but the extra power and fine-tuned suspension more than makes up for it. The conventional steel brakes were also almost perfect with great retardation and feel without any evidence of premature ABS intervention.

Porsche have cleverly made this a much more accessible GT3 compared to earlier models, helped I suspect with the ability to deliver the more hardcore RS model to the 'extreme' customers: it has all the mod cons expected of a sports car including the cup holders, glove box and integrated telephone and sat nav. The driving position is very comfortable (this car had the sports seats) with perfect brake and throttle pedal position (the centre console intruded a little too far for my clutch leg to be comfortable on the foot rest) and nicely appointed alcantara control surfaces on gear lever and steering wheel, though how well the alcantara would age remains to be seen. It is also nice to see an oil temperature guage in the cluster, as well as oil pressure.

So this is what they mean by GT3 Cup .....


Whilst a question of personal taste, in my opinion Porsche have also sorted out the looks of the 997, especially the frontal aspect, and having the model distinguished by the central tailpipes is also a nice touch to appeal to the cogniscenti spotters. It rides a little higher than my Mk.1 (which is a blessing for saving more of the front splitter) but still looks mean, working well in white.

And the bad bits? Well I'm amazed that Porsche (and they're not alone) can continue to fit a sat nav system that is so much harder to use and less functional than many portable aftermarket units: it really was annoying at times, and almost impossible to use to plan a preferred route - I'm sure it is fine to navigate to a destination address if you don't care how you get there, but anything more complex is frustrating. I was hampered by not having a full manual to consult, but I couldn't find a way of stopping the map display rotating so that the current direction is always straight up the screen - at first glance an inverted M25 is most confusing! Oh, and it only gives you a limited time with the ignition off to plan a route before shutting down. rolleyes

Also annoying was the 'sport' mode button which wasn't persistant, defaulting to the 'off' position on starting the car (unlike the PASM button which remembers your selected position): the starting procedure always involved selecting the 'sport' button. I'm convinced a vast majority of owners will leave it in this mode, so why not make it the default (no, don’t asnwer that - EU noise regulations, I bet)?

But these are minor niggles - were I to spec a new GT3 I think I'd opt for the optional bucket seats to connect a little more intimately with the chassis, give serious thought to not having the sat nav and probably have more leather in place of the soft touch fabrics.

And boy do I want one. Badly. cloud9




Edited by jeremyc on Monday 15th January 13:07

Davey S2

13,394 posts

284 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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Nice. Do all new GT3's come with a little blonde woman in the passenger seat?

Interesting to see the front of 997 seems to be a little more upright than on the Mk1 996 though

timmo

1,788 posts

264 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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Is it worth 50K to Change from a MK1 to a new 997 ?
Have you driven a 996 GT3 RS ?




tim

clubsport

7,415 posts

288 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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Nice write up JC, interesting that it feels a heavier car, does look quite Luxo inside compared to yours......shame it didn't have the proper seats as I am sure it would affect the driving experience.

So having driven this, do you still have aspirations of the AM Vantage or hold out until the 97 has deprecited a little?

jeremyc

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28,186 posts

314 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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timmo said:
Is it worth 50K to Change from a MK1 to a new 997 ?
A good question, and I'd probably have to say no. Especially if a bit of Manthey tweaking would get mine to 400+bhp ....
timmo said:
Have you driven a 996 GT3 RS ?
No, not yet ....

jeremyc

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28,186 posts

314 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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clubsport said:
So having driven this, do you still have aspirations of the AM Vantage or hold out until the 97 has deprecited a little?
Or continue with ecurie and have both ....

clubsport

7,415 posts

288 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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Tim, please don't put potential buyers off of buying 97 Gt3....we need a good few out there so we can pick them up at current mk1 prices in a few years

welshnobby

1,201 posts

273 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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...those MPS2's really do look like slicks on that last pic. The outer shoulder is very shy of any tread. How many miles had she covered. I wonder if the current good wet/damp grip will tail off quickly as the tyre wears?

jeremyc

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28,186 posts

314 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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welshnobby said:
...those MPS2's really do look like slicks on that last pic. The outer shoulder is very shy of any tread. How many miles had she covered. I wonder if the current good wet/damp grip will tail off quickly as the tyre wears?
Only 700 miles from new when I picked it up (1,200 when it went back paperbag).

clubsport

7,415 posts

288 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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jeremyc said:
clubsport said:
So having driven this, do you still have aspirations of the AM Vantage or hold out until the 97 has deprecited a little?
Or continue with ecurie and have both ....


Agree on that makes a LOT of sense

Drewtastic

1,111 posts

249 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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That was a good read! Thanks

ross

219 posts

314 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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Hi Jeremy, good to hear from you...we moved away from Twickenham last year so not that close to you anymore, good to see your taste in cars hasn't deteriorated...and i've just bought an RS4 Avant...(new shape though!)..and still got my mk1 gt3...

in fact just wondering whether to trade sell my c4S too and get a 997 gt3!

jeremyc

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28,186 posts

314 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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ross said:
Hi Jeremy, good to hear from you...we moved away from Twickenham last year so not that close to you anymore, good to see your taste in cars hasn't deteriorated...and i've just bought an RS4 Avant...(new shape though!)..and still got my mk1 gt3...

in fact just wondering whether to trade sell my c4S too and get a 997 gt3!
Hi Ross! Depending upon how much you expect to use the cars you might want to consider something like ecurie25; that is how I came to have the 997 GT3 and have a whole year planned of exciting cars to try out. If you want to know more drop me an email.



Edited by jeremyc on Monday 15th January 15:21

Fidgits

17,202 posts

259 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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nice write up

pikey

7,704 posts

314 months

Friday 19th January 2007
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thumbup

Do you you think you might change your "commuting car" from the 996 to this (and keep ecurie)?

jeremyc

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28,186 posts

314 months

Friday 19th January 2007
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pikey said:
Do you you think you might change your "commuting car" from the 996 to this (and keep ecurie)?
It's a nice idea, and given unlimited funds then I would. However, I'm not sure it is worth the cost differential at the moment ....

Besides, originals are always the best, aren't they? hehe

stuttgartmetal

8,164 posts

246 months

Friday 19th January 2007
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Notice discreet ambulance following behind.




Only kidding J.

Yes, I spotted the RS2 in evo.
Not bad at all.

clubsport

7,415 posts

288 months

Friday 19th January 2007
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JEREMY C Said;
Besides, originals are always the best, aren't they? hehe


I knew that once your Pork addiction took hold you would see your way round to an aircooled car

pikey

7,704 posts

314 months

Friday 19th January 2007
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jeremyc said:
Besides, originals are always the best, aren't they?
Absolutely - like I'll say the original Caymans are always be the best when they bring others out!! hehe