997 Turbo vs Turbo S

[mr_tony]

Anyone owned both?
Just wondering if anyone felt the S was significantly faster or better than a standard gen 2?

Planning to drive an S having tested the standard car- but figure the differences are probably subtle enough that a 30 minute test isn't going to be a substantial enough time to form a solid comparison.

Any spec tweaks that make a big difference?

[RatBoy M3CSL]

..The difference... = about £25K, and you won't notice much apart from the 'S' badge on the rear.. !

[Phooey]

334bhp/ton vs 313bhp/ton power-to-weight ratio.


S will have slightly better long-term residuals and comes with the excellent PCCBs as standard. I'd aim for the top and take the S

[s2000db]

Theres a huge difference, drove both back to back and swapped several times at the PDE centre..

The S is definitely quicker, the handling is sharper with all the gizmos, and if you can't tell the difference between the braking systems as well, then stick to the std model lol...

[tjlees]

s2000db said:

Theres a huge difference, drove both back to back and swapped several times at the PDE centre..

The S is definitely quicker, the handling is sharper with all the gizmos, and if you can't tell the difference between the braking systems as well, then stick to the std model lol...

+1

The sustained extra power of the Turbo S combined with standard options such as dynamic engine mounts, PTV and PCCBs makes for a noticeably much better Car. There are extra options that are exclusive to the Turbo S including two tone leather though probably not an option that is to all tastes! You need to try them both since a Turbo with PTV and the sport chrono pack is almost the same as the Turbo S.

The great thing about the Turbo S standard options list means there are very few extras that you probably need - save for leather centre console and PDK combination (or whatever your preference is) and maybe a sunroof.

Not sure the relative residuals/depreciation will be any better following the initial loss of £30+k. Looks to me as though you can expect to lose around £10k per year in the first few years after 1st year loss. There are obviously far fewer Turbo S models than the standard Turbo, so at least selling should be easier and I maybe proved wrong on the second hand prices.

In terms of insurance there was a only a difference of £18 at the time between the Turbo and Turbo S (40+, 9yrs ncb, garaged, low miles etc).

[Geneve]

I ordered a high spec 997 Gen 2 Turbo in 2009.

The day it arrived at my dealers, in Feb 2010, the 'S' was announced

My OPC were very good and offered to let me change my order to an 'S', although I would need to wait a further five months before production began.This I did on the basis of the more comprehensive spec and future residuals.

The performance of both is immense and it would be hard to detect the difference. However, the options that are standard on the 'S' - Torque Vectoring, Dynamic Engine Mounts, PCCBs, etc, plus all the other toys, are all very worthwhile and said to improve the feel and feedback of the chassis.

I concluded that the 997 Turbo made sense if I wanted the manual gearbox and a modest spec, but the 'S' was a better buy if I wanted PDK and all the options - which I did.

This is my 12th 911 and, two years on, still hugely impressed, and probably the best everyday usable supercar in the world.

[s2000db]

Yes got my S without the deckchair option lol ..

[tjlees]

s2000db said:

Yes got my S without the deckchair option lol ..

especially in black and blue

Geneve said:

This is my 12th 911 and, two years on, still hugely impressed, and probably the best everyday usable supercar in the world.

+1. Love the almost 10/10 driving on damp roads as well. In fact I may go out now in the heavy rain, while the GT3 owners with their SP Cups are bravely looking out of the window (tin hat on, sport plus engaged and gone ...)

[R1_NUR]

What is the trade price for a Turbo S (registered April 11) with 5000 miles?

Thanks.

[markcoznottz]

Unless your a driving god, you might not notice the difference. The Way most turbo owners drive, whooooosh- brake, repeat it's the same experience every time, even if the intensity of the acceleration may vary slightly between those two models. PCCB nice things to have with a 200 mph car that's for sure.

[Glenn McMenamin]

Geneve said:

I ordered a high spec 997 Gen 2 Turbo in 2009.

The day it arrived at my dealers, in Feb 2010, the 'S' was announced

My OPC were very good and offered to let me change my order to an 'S', although I would need to wait a further five months before production began.This I did on the basis of the more comprehensive spec and future residuals.

The performance of both is immense and it would be hard to detect the difference. However, the options that are standard on the 'S' - Torque Vectoring, Dynamic Engine Mounts, PCCBs, etc, plus all the other toys, are all very worthwhile and said to improve the feel and feedback of the chassis.

I concluded that the 997 Turbo made sense if I wanted the manual gearbox and a modest spec, but the 'S' was a better buy if I wanted PDK and all the options - which I did.

This is my 12th 911 and, two years on, still hugely impressed, and probably the best everyday usable supercar in the world.

Exactly same happened to me, but I actually had to physically buy the Turbo, and wait while the opc sold it on my behalf. My original Turbo was pretty much to S spec anyway, so it was a no brainer for me to change to the S. ridiculous timing by Porsche though, they pissed off no end off customers that day !

[Carl_Docklands]

tjlees said:

s2000db said:

Theres a huge difference, drove both back to back and swapped several times at the PDE centre..

The S is definitely quicker, the handling is sharper with all the gizmos, and if you can't tell the difference between the braking systems as well, then stick to the std model lol...

+1

The sustained extra power of the Turbo S combined with standard options such as dynamic engine mounts, PTV and PCCBs makes for a noticeably much better Car. There are extra options that are exclusive to the Turbo S including two tone leather though probably not an option that is to all tastes! You need to try them both since a Turbo with PTV and the sport chrono pack is almost the same as the Turbo S.

The great thing about the Turbo S standard options list means there are very few extras that you probably need - save for leather centre console and PDK combination (or whatever your preference is) and maybe a sunroof.

Not sure the relative residuals/depreciation will be any better following the initial loss of £30+k. Looks to me as though you can expect to lose around £10k per year in the first few years after 1st year loss. There are obviously far fewer Turbo S models than the standard Turbo, so at least selling should be easier and I maybe proved wrong on the second hand prices.

In terms of insurance there was a only a difference of £18 at the time between the Turbo and Turbo S (40+, 9yrs ncb, garaged, low miles etc).

I have been watching them (turbo s) for a while now, the Euro crisis has prevented me from pushing the button on a used one.

Best deal I have seen was on a 17 month old S Cab for 95k. The car had been discounted a few times.

Your 30K + 1K per month estimate looks about right to me, excluding the finance costs.

PS. I should add that the forum favourite 997 turbo in riviera blue is still for sale.

Edited by Carl_Docklands on Saturday 16th June 13:09

[79TurboS]

Had a turbo s for 1.5 years now and my mate has a gen 2 regular turbo and we driven each others cars a few times, there is definate noticeable difference in performance and the way it handles. And given the used car differential is circa 10k, We both agree the outlay for the turbo s is worth it. Incredible car and a bargain compared to a new 991s.

[mrdemon]

I thought the standard gen 2.turbo seems better value, most are speced up a lot.
2nd hand ATM the non S seems the better buy in my eyes most are PDK and loads of extras.

A quick remap would have it pissing all over a S as well.

[Callughan]

R1_NUR said:

What is the trade price for a Turbo S (registered April 11) with 5000 miles?

Thanks.

A ph'er rimkih think mentioned he got 80(or around this)for his cab ts selling to opc.

iirc the new price difference between turbo and turbo s was less than the price of extras included. Extra power and ceramics plus still covered under warranty is an attractive proposition

Edited by Callughan on Saturday 16th June 14:06

[markcoznottz]

mrdemon said:

I thought the standard gen 2.turbo seems better value, most are speced up a lot.
2nd hand ATM the non S seems the better buy in my eyes most are PDK and loads of extras.

A quick remap would have it pissing all over a S as well.

Don't know about the pissing, but a remap would give identical performance, Porsche left the sports chrono permanently on to find the extra mumbo.

[tjlees]

Callughan said:

R1_NUR said:

What is the trade price for a Turbo S (registered April 11) with 5000 miles?

Thanks.

A ph'er rimkih think mentioned he got 80(or around this)for his cab ts selling to opc.

iirc the new price difference between turbo and turbo s was less than the price of extras included. Extra power and ceramics plus still covered under warranty is an attractive proposition

Edited by Callughan on Saturday 16th June 14:06

Parker's Guide gives around £82k and Whatcar used evaluations is giving £80k trade, £83k partex (eek!) and £87k for private with the dealer being around £98k .. I think I need lie down in a darkened room now and rub myself down with a damp turbo s sale brochure - good for buyers bad for owners!

[Callughan]

tjlees said:

Callughan said:

R1_NUR said:

What is the trade price for a Turbo S (registered April 11) with 5000 miles?

Thanks.

A ph'er rimkih think mentioned he got 80(or around this)for his cab ts selling to opc.

iirc the new price difference between turbo and turbo s was less than the price of extras included. Extra power and ceramics plus still covered under warranty is an attractive proposition

Edited by Callughan on Saturday 16th June 14:06

Parker's Guide gives around £82k and Whatcar used evaluations is giving £80k trade, £83k partex (eek!) and £87k for private with the dealer being around £98k .. I think I need lie down in a darkened room now and rub myself down with a damp turbo s sale brochure - good for buyers bad for owners!

It's unlike those guides to be accurate.lol

[tjlees]

Callughan said:

tjlees said:

Callughan said:

R1_NUR said:

What is the trade price for a Turbo S (registered April 11) with 5000 miles?

Thanks.

A ph'er rimkih think mentioned he got 80(or around this)for his cab ts selling to opc.

iirc the new price difference between turbo and turbo s was less than the price of extras included. Extra power and ceramics plus still covered under warranty is an attractive proposition

Edited by Callughan on Saturday 16th June 14:06

Parker's Guide gives around £82k and Whatcar used evaluations is giving £80k trade, £83k partex (eek!) and £87k for private with the dealer being around £98k .. I think I need lie down in a darkened room now and rub myself down with a damp turbo s sale brochure - good for buyers bad for owners!

It's unlike those guides to be accurate.lol

Only accurate when it's a lower price and I'm buying or higher when I'm selling also does not take account of extras, must have spec and colour etc

Usually looking at the classifies/opc is better - minus what you think you can get off. Even the opc dealer will entertain (at the moment) a large slice of the top for cash buyers if you play them off against each other

[Carl_Docklands]

markcoznottz said:

mrdemon said:

I thought the standard gen 2.turbo seems better value, most are speced up a lot.
2nd hand ATM the non S seems the better buy in my eyes most are PDK and loads of extras.

A quick remap would have it pissing all over a S as well.

Don't know about the pissing, but a remap would give identical performance, Porsche left the sports chrono permanently on to find the extra mumbo.

The one thing that the S will buy you over the Turbo is you-tube bragging rights.

Whatever extra poke they gave to the S, they did it so it will beat the 2012 GT-R, 458, Gallardo, Mp4-12c in a 0-60 drag race. The only car that seems to beat it to 60 is a Veyron Super Sport.

Monkey's video comparing it to the GT-R also show how beautiful it is to look at while also being a more well behaved car in the wet.

PS. There is a silver car with red interior available on OPC network for sub-£90k.