Sold my Tuscan and the Weight is Lifted!!
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I really hate to say this because when I set out on Tuscan ownership I was incredibly optimistic. It turns out I was just a bit green. I have now sold it after spending about £8k in 2 years on holding it together and losing £11k in depreciation.
So that was a mistake, no matter what you say, and my dealer told me I had a good one!!
Now I have a Maserati 4200 Coupe and it's truly awesome in every way. OK, it's Italian so it's another risk, but so far smiles per mile vastly outgrin those in the TVR.
So I don't want to say anything more negative than I'm pleased my Tuscan has gone. All the Tuscaneers I have met are great people and I don't want to incur the wrath of those who are more tolerant than I am. It was great when it worked but now I have something to compare it to I'm glad I made the change.
Good luck to all the other Tuscaneers, I'll give you a flash for your bravery, patience and unswerving loyalty to the cause when I see you on the road.
G.
So that was a mistake, no matter what you say, and my dealer told me I had a good one!!
Now I have a Maserati 4200 Coupe and it's truly awesome in every way. OK, it's Italian so it's another risk, but so far smiles per mile vastly outgrin those in the TVR.
So I don't want to say anything more negative than I'm pleased my Tuscan has gone. All the Tuscaneers I have met are great people and I don't want to incur the wrath of those who are more tolerant than I am. It was great when it worked but now I have something to compare it to I'm glad I made the change.
Good luck to all the other Tuscaneers, I'll give you a flash for your bravery, patience and unswerving loyalty to the cause when I see you on the road.
G.
I'm glad to hear that your are happier now. I must say that 8k in 2 years is beyond my expectations. Do you mind me asking what you spent the money on?
If I start incurring bills on that scale I'll be getting rid fairly quick. It would be nice to know what issue lead on to others and escalate to such an enormious expense.
Thanks
David
If I start incurring bills on that scale I'll be getting rid fairly quick. It would be nice to know what issue lead on to others and escalate to such an enormious expense.
Thanks
David
What gearbox is in the Maserati? I'm currently driving a Maserati Coupe 4.2 Cambiocorsa F1 box while the Tuscan is in the bodyshop and I'm finding the F1 paddle shift things a load of rubbish. I hope you have the manual box. Not to mention the crap interior ie build and controls. Feels very heavy and slow on the road in comparison to the Tuscan....
I have spent circa 9K on servicing(including 2K on warranties) on the Tuscan over 4 years, but driving the Maserati just makes me like it even more....
Good luck, you will be back !
cheers
Whitey
PS. Your Tuscan was a fantastic colour, so someone has got a beautiful car!
>> Edited by whitey on Tuesday 27th July 19:34
I have spent circa 9K on servicing(including 2K on warranties) on the Tuscan over 4 years, but driving the Maserati just makes me like it even more....
Good luck, you will be back !
cheers
Whitey
PS. Your Tuscan was a fantastic colour, so someone has got a beautiful car!
>> Edited by whitey on Tuesday 27th July 19:34
With god's grace Im doing the same thing tomorrow!
Have to pick up the Tuscan from dealer in the morning, just managed to get a MOT having failed emissions test four times, with brand new cats!!
Going to reading to trade against a Giallo 02 4200 cambio coupe,i was about to buy a 3200 although I wasn't overly pleased with the deal or the behaviour of the dealer so luckily I managed to stretch to this 4200.
It looks like they eat clutches and extended warranty price is outrageous but i found the paddle shift good fun that will take time and practice to get right, which is how it should be, any thoughts on a sports exhaust?
I am looking into this but have been told it would invalidate the warranty, not sure whether this is just the official line being followed whilst in practice dealers turn a blind eye, after all the same rule applies to ferraris and you rarely see one of those without a tubi.
Have to pick up the Tuscan from dealer in the morning, just managed to get a MOT having failed emissions test four times, with brand new cats!!
Going to reading to trade against a Giallo 02 4200 cambio coupe,i was about to buy a 3200 although I wasn't overly pleased with the deal or the behaviour of the dealer so luckily I managed to stretch to this 4200.
It looks like they eat clutches and extended warranty price is outrageous but i found the paddle shift good fun that will take time and practice to get right, which is how it should be, any thoughts on a sports exhaust?
I am looking into this but have been told it would invalidate the warranty, not sure whether this is just the official line being followed whilst in practice dealers turn a blind eye, after all the same rule applies to ferraris and you rarely see one of those without a tubi.
mate, it's a big heavy tank in comparison to the TVR. Chalk n cheese. It does not surprise me they eat clutches on the paddle shift cars(Cambiocorsa) it's like your grandma is riding the clutch each time you change unless it's nailed. I would seriously try a manual car before buying the Cambiocorsa, I have been driving it for 2 weeks now and cannot stand it. It feels like it's driving you rather than the other way around. Aircon is also rubbish, worth checking yours works properly.
But its your call. It's still a good, different car, and the looks are growing on me, but the Tuscan still wins in all ways....
cheers
Whitey
But its your call. It's still a good, different car, and the looks are growing on me, but the Tuscan still wins in all ways....
cheers
Whitey
Hi
Id be very interested in the outcome of your 4200 purchase. My Tuscan is up for sale, not because of build or depreciation. although the latter (£15k in 18 months is savage).
No, my reason is seats. Since purchase (12/02) ive a new member of family so me and my missus can never enjoy the Tuscan together. 3 people v 2 seats = :-(
Having considered all options i have Maserati 4200 and 645 on my shortlist. Leaning towards Italian as a good compromise and still a sexy car, although not as much as a Tuscan - BUT - i will be able to enjoy it with Louise and Albert (10 months)!
Only issue is gearbox.....
Regards,
Lee
Id be very interested in the outcome of your 4200 purchase. My Tuscan is up for sale, not because of build or depreciation. although the latter (£15k in 18 months is savage).
No, my reason is seats. Since purchase (12/02) ive a new member of family so me and my missus can never enjoy the Tuscan together. 3 people v 2 seats = :-(
Having considered all options i have Maserati 4200 and 645 on my shortlist. Leaning towards Italian as a good compromise and still a sexy car, although not as much as a Tuscan - BUT - i will be able to enjoy it with Louise and Albert (10 months)!
Only issue is gearbox.....
Regards,
Lee
Thank's for that whitey, i will check the aircon, cant stand having another car with 'virtual aircon' especially in this weather, do you find the gear change that bad in sports mode as well?
I suppose all these paddle systems are controversial, some hate them and some don't,manual cars are pretty thin on the ground as well and i do like the idea of being able to engage full auto, seem to spend more time in Q's than anything else these days .
Lee strangely enough the two becoming three thing is what drew me towards the maserati, became a daddy five months ago, did check and it can take a child seat base from a travel system.
I thought about the 456 as well, a lot of car for the prices they are selling for now but after a bit of research it was clear that the ones i could afford were simply too much of a risk and a ferrari V12 going wrong could bankrupt me.
I will of course miss the Tuscan and am taking my camera with me tomorrow so i have plenty of pics to show the lad when he grows up, " see son look what i used to drive", God knows what will be parked on the drive by then!!
>> Edited by singh on Wednesday 28th July 21:24
>> Edited by singh on Thursday 29th July 10:01
I suppose all these paddle systems are controversial, some hate them and some don't,manual cars are pretty thin on the ground as well and i do like the idea of being able to engage full auto, seem to spend more time in Q's than anything else these days .
Lee strangely enough the two becoming three thing is what drew me towards the maserati, became a daddy five months ago, did check and it can take a child seat base from a travel system.
I thought about the 456 as well, a lot of car for the prices they are selling for now but after a bit of research it was clear that the ones i could afford were simply too much of a risk and a ferrari V12 going wrong could bankrupt me.
I will of course miss the Tuscan and am taking my camera with me tomorrow so i have plenty of pics to show the lad when he grows up, " see son look what i used to drive", God knows what will be parked on the drive by then!!
>> Edited by singh on Wednesday 28th July 21:24
>> Edited by singh on Thursday 29th July 10:01
Hi Singh,
Yes even in sport mode the changes are rubbish. It seems on part throttle it just takes it's time with the clutch. As for auto mode, thats again rubbish, especially when you need it most ie crawling along in traffic where it wheezes through the gear changes. Unless it's nailed it just does not shift nicely, and even then you don't feel in control like with a manual.
Does seem to get a lot of looks on the road, all positive so-far
cheers
Whitey
Yes even in sport mode the changes are rubbish. It seems on part throttle it just takes it's time with the clutch. As for auto mode, thats again rubbish, especially when you need it most ie crawling along in traffic where it wheezes through the gear changes. Unless it's nailed it just does not shift nicely, and even then you don't feel in control like with a manual.
Does seem to get a lot of looks on the road, all positive so-far
cheers
Whitey
There were issues with the software on the early 4200s but there have been several releases since. The gear changes in mine are very smooth indeed. Not sure why there is a non-sport mode though, it just means there is a lag in the change time.
As for it being a tank, that's a bit harsh. It is IMHO as quick in a straight line as the Tuscan due to the gear ratios and speed of gear change and it handles equally as well if not better. I think it's also a matter of personal taste, the two are very different. I wanted a very fast V8 grand tourer with 4 useful seats that looks great and I don't regard as an occasional car. Something that is quiet and cool in London traffic but amazingly quick and loud on the open road. There aren't many cars like that.
I love the Cerb but I will have the same reliability issues as the Tuscan and TBH the whole experience was too painful to repeat. The XKR is nice but a little long in the tooth so not for me and the M5, although excellent, is German, due for a new model and more expensive than the 4200.
I never considered the Mas until a friend took me out in one. There seems to be a stream of TVR owners who are making the move, looking for the same price/performance of TVRs but with a bit more refinement and an awesome V8.
As previously said I liked my Tuscan and would not slag it off. I looked long and hard before I chose the Tuscan and thought I wouldn't be able to get a car I liked more for that price. But then I found the Maserati.
As for it being a tank, that's a bit harsh. It is IMHO as quick in a straight line as the Tuscan due to the gear ratios and speed of gear change and it handles equally as well if not better. I think it's also a matter of personal taste, the two are very different. I wanted a very fast V8 grand tourer with 4 useful seats that looks great and I don't regard as an occasional car. Something that is quiet and cool in London traffic but amazingly quick and loud on the open road. There aren't many cars like that.
I love the Cerb but I will have the same reliability issues as the Tuscan and TBH the whole experience was too painful to repeat. The XKR is nice but a little long in the tooth so not for me and the M5, although excellent, is German, due for a new model and more expensive than the 4200.
I never considered the Mas until a friend took me out in one. There seems to be a stream of TVR owners who are making the move, looking for the same price/performance of TVRs but with a bit more refinement and an awesome V8.
As previously said I liked my Tuscan and would not slag it off. I looked long and hard before I chose the Tuscan and thought I wouldn't be able to get a car I liked more for that price. But then I found the Maserati.
ghosty o'shark said:
I love the Cerb but I will have the same reliability issues as the Tuscan and TBH the whole experience was too painful to repeat. The XKR is nice but a little long in the tooth so not for me and the M5, although excellent, is German, due for a new model and more expensive than the 4200.
Agree with some of those points, but not with others...
I drove the Cerb as an everyday car for 10 months. In all that time the only thing that failed was a single blown fuse that I just bypassed until I could get another. That was with an AJP engine rather than an S6, mind...
Agree that the XKR is getting on a bit (but it's still lovely).
The M5 is a real bargain, you can get one on an X plate for just over £20k and, frankly, the old shape looks much better than the new one.
Ghosty,
Don't get me wrong the 4200 is a great car, fast, good road presence and roomy interior. I just don't like the paddle shift or the cheap interior controls ie radio switches etc. I guess I was expecting more. The one I'm driving is a courtesy car and an 03 model so may have older software or need a service, but even when floored for quick shifts when it seems to work ok I would still prefer a manual box.
While it is fast, is does not feel anywhere near Tuscan fast(mines a RR) but still good. Again the handling is fine, it sit's on the road nicely but its a much heavier car and my RR Tuscan is well set up and would spank it on a circuit, maybe not on B roads!
I hope is is reliable for you, my mate has owned an X reg 3200 auto since new and has had loads of problems. But I do understand the 4200 is much better, it certainly has a good engine!!
Good luck with it. what colour is it?
Cheers
Whitey
Don't get me wrong the 4200 is a great car, fast, good road presence and roomy interior. I just don't like the paddle shift or the cheap interior controls ie radio switches etc. I guess I was expecting more. The one I'm driving is a courtesy car and an 03 model so may have older software or need a service, but even when floored for quick shifts when it seems to work ok I would still prefer a manual box.
While it is fast, is does not feel anywhere near Tuscan fast(mines a RR) but still good. Again the handling is fine, it sit's on the road nicely but its a much heavier car and my RR Tuscan is well set up and would spank it on a circuit, maybe not on B roads!
I hope is is reliable for you, my mate has owned an X reg 3200 auto since new and has had loads of problems. But I do understand the 4200 is much better, it certainly has a good engine!!
Good luck with it. what colour is it?
Cheers
Whitey
Part ex-fun and initial thoughts on 4200.
Tuscan arrives to do the part/ex, passenger door won't open
....whilst being taken off the trailer 5 inch chunk of the 'S' spoiler is ripped off 
told the dealer it was a extra that I fitted and could be removed anyway
Did end up getting about £500 less than i would have liked, been offered a lot worse...
Drove back from Berks. last night at about 7ish M4, A40,A406 packed as you would excpect, auto was fine, no worries at all, whitey from what you wrote I think yours may have a problem, if its a courtesy car it probably gets a good rodgering and as mentioned before the clutches are only good for 12-14K under average driving. Did manage a little burst of speed on a quiet stretch closer to home and it is rapid, very rapid. Comparisons with Tuscan are a bit misleading, it didn't feel scary quick like the Tuscan does but a quick look at the speedo disputes that.
I admit it feels heavy but in a solid sort of way although I am yet to get to know the car, I would agree that it is nothing like as honed and sharp as the Tuscan but it's no barge either.
The sound is magnificent, would love to hear one with a sports exhaust, guy at scuderia said they sound like a 'boomier' version of the 360
Build quality seems very good, a real feeling of luxury in the cabin swathes of quality leather and the jaeger dials are a nice touch, whitey you mentioned the radio controls, does the car you have at the mo have the sat nav info centre thingy?
Was also really surprised by the attention it gets, wasn't excpecting that but there again it is bright yellow
So all in all happy with purchase at the mo. will aquaint myself better over the weekend, I will miss the Tuscan but for now there's a new toy to play with
Good luck Tuscaneers, if i could afford it I would have kept the Tuscan as well.
>> Edited by singh on Friday 30th July 20:11
Tuscan arrives to do the part/ex, passenger door won't open
....whilst being taken off the trailer 5 inch chunk of the 'S' spoiler is ripped off told the dealer it was a extra that I fitted and could be removed anyway Did end up getting about £500 less than i would have liked, been offered a lot worse...
Drove back from Berks. last night at about 7ish M4, A40,A406 packed as you would excpect, auto was fine, no worries at all, whitey from what you wrote I think yours may have a problem, if its a courtesy car it probably gets a good rodgering and as mentioned before the clutches are only good for 12-14K under average driving. Did manage a little burst of speed on a quiet stretch closer to home and it is rapid, very rapid. Comparisons with Tuscan are a bit misleading, it didn't feel scary quick like the Tuscan does but a quick look at the speedo disputes that.
I admit it feels heavy but in a solid sort of way although I am yet to get to know the car, I would agree that it is nothing like as honed and sharp as the Tuscan but it's no barge either.
The sound is magnificent, would love to hear one with a sports exhaust, guy at scuderia said they sound like a 'boomier' version of the 360
Build quality seems very good, a real feeling of luxury in the cabin swathes of quality leather and the jaeger dials are a nice touch, whitey you mentioned the radio controls, does the car you have at the mo have the sat nav info centre thingy?
Was also really surprised by the attention it gets, wasn't excpecting that but there again it is bright yellow
So all in all happy with purchase at the mo. will aquaint myself better over the weekend, I will miss the Tuscan but for now there's a new toy to play with
Good luck Tuscaneers, if i could afford it I would have kept the Tuscan as well.
>> Edited by singh on Friday 30th July 20:11
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