RE: Carver

Thursday 3rd July 2003

Carver

The incredible tilting three wheeler - driving slowly has never been so much fun!


Since I started this PH malarky, I've been fortunate enough to drive some fantastic cars. Everything from an amusingly small and slow Daihatsu Copen through to a devilishly powerful 1994 Tyrell. Some have bored me, most have brought a smile to a face one way or another. The vehicle I drove yesterday though, brought a completely unique range of emotions into play. Misplaced fear and constant hilarity were the main ingredients in this test drive.

The vehicle to which I refer is the Carver. A Dutch three wheeler with a hydraulic tilting mechanism. British Rail couldn't get it right with their Advanced Passenger Train and Mercedes have been toying with it for years, but the one bloke to get it right did so in his shed in the Netherlands.

Getting it right might be open to argument however. The tilting mechanism on this three wheeler is very well engineered but takes some getting used to. Programmed to stay upright up to 7mph, once you exceed that pace a small turn of the wheel has the body rolling. In my first few yards up the road, the sensitivity of the system totally overwhelmed me. Dialling in enough turn to barely change direction had the cockpit on the move. Only a few degrees mind you, but anyone used to a bike will be fighting their senses as it feels like you're about to topple over. In the same way as you might over correct some oversteer, I overcorrected my 'lean' and proceeded up the road like a Weeble-Wobble (and no, you don't fall down).

Motoring

Once on the move, it was a lot easier. Taking it smoothly and winding up the little motorcycle engine it's actually a joy to drive. It feels wonderfully stable on the move and the ride quality is excellent. Cruising around sweeping bends introduces the right amount of lean and it's similar to cruising on a bike. The 600cc bike engine is matched to a convential H pattern gearbox with a nice big stick which is easy to use. The Carver's in its element in twisty country roads swinging from side to side and lapping up the tarmac.

Pushing on hard would be an interesting experience. Without knowledge of how a three wheeler would handle near the limit you'd be on dodgy ground, throw in the fact that the weight distribution is totally dependent on the steering angle and you've got a complex set of variables to investigate. The lean is dictated totally by the angle of steering too - not by your speed so it doesn't always feel right. That comes with practice - and retraining your sense of balance!

At slower speeds things can be very disconcerting. Attempt to navigate a small roundabout at 15mph and the adrenaline can suddenly pump. Forced by a closed road to double back on myself, I had to steer hard right at a roundabout. Dialing in so much lock causes the Carver to lean over at about 45 degrees and for all sorts of alarms to start sounding in the cockpit. Was I about to tip over? Had someone got missile lock on me? Why were all those people staring at me?! All my senses were telling me that I was about to topple over yet that was far from the case. Once out of the bend and with things approaching the vertical I could do nothing but laugh.

Two Up


It's the same in the back of the Carver - hilarious. Rear passengers adopt a pose more familiar to gynaecologists with feet up either side of the driver. It's like being on a fairground ride! As the driver tips you one side then the other all you can do it chuckle yourself silly. Your grin will only be matched by the incredulous looks of those on the streets around you!

It's tempting to try and find a niche for the Carver. Is it the perfect commuting vehicle? Is it a compromise between a bike and a car. At around £22K it's never going to be a compromise for anything. Niches aside, the Carver remains one of those unique vehicles that is an absolute hoot to drive at reasonable speeds. In this day and age, that might be an attraction to a lot of people.

Thanks to Mole Valley for the loan of the vehicle. More info at www.carver.nl

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Discussion

Graham.J

Original Poster:

5,420 posts

261 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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What a cool little car.

Not one for being incognito I have to admit but cool none-the-less.

But £22k Everything about it is appealing, apart from the price.

Well done that man though, well done

>>> Edited by Graham.J on Thursday 3rd July 10:28

pdV6

16,442 posts

263 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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£22k

Sounds like a degree of speed-sensitivity built into the leaning mechanism wouldn't go amiss.

iguana

7,046 posts

262 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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That looks great fun, might have to bag a test drive or would it be ride in one £22k tho, ouch!

m-five

11,295 posts

286 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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For such a little vehicle it could do with being a little quicker - 8.2s to 100kph seems a bit Mondeo performance to me.

I guess you could always put a more powerful engine in though!

.Mark

11,104 posts

278 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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Saw one of these on the road the other day (A3 near Guildford if memory serves) at first I thought it was one of those BMW shite heaps but it did look quite funky.
22 grand though - no thanks.

neon_fox

342 posts

286 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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22k? Double-ouch, that's twice the price of a smart...

Looks fun though, but I'd question the limit dynamics, seems from the motorcycle front tyre you'd get nothing other than understeer... which might be a good thing as build to many G's and it'd fall over!

At least with the grinnall you had more rubber up front than on the back.

JonRB

74,979 posts

274 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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neon_fox said:
At least with the grinnall you had more rubber up front than on the back.
True, but I've heard that unless you are 2-up it has a worrying tendency to lift it's inside wheel on fast left-handers and then flip. Somewhat scary.

Did Grinnall ever make the 4-wheel Scorpion IV with the 220bhp Fiat Coupe Turbo engine that they showed at the 2000 Motor Show?

RichardR

2,892 posts

270 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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Where are the doors? The blue one in the last photo seems to have doors, but the silver test one appears to be doorless.

Was it a case of climbing in the sunroof Ted?

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

267 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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neon_fox said:
22k? Double-ouch, that's twice the price of a smart...

Looks fun though, but I'd question the limit dynamics, seems from the motorcycle front tyre you'd get nothing other than understeer... which might be a good thing as build to many G's and it'd fall over!

At least with the grinnall you had more rubber up front than on the back.


It might only have a motorcycle tyre at the front but do you know how sticky the rubber is on bikes? My Kawak road tyres are softer than my car track day slicks. I think tyre compound will even up the front/rear grip levels.

bilko

1,693 posts

234 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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saw two of these around a month ago comming from lewisham on their way up to new cross. I had to double back on my bicycle and get a proper look as they stopped at lights. intersting vehicle, didn't sound all that racey but i only saw them at low speeds.
got home and promptly looked up their website, had a good old laugh at the price and then logged onto PH.

murcielago

952 posts

254 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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mmmmmmmmm.........
who was the wacko that designed this little contraption?
Looks cool though

grahambell

2,718 posts

277 months

Thursday 3rd July 2003
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JonRB said:

Did Grinnall ever make the 4-wheel Scorpion IV with the 220bhp Fiat Coupe Turbo engine that they showed at the 2000 Motor Show?


No. Too many problems dealing with the Italians meant the Fiat engine got ditched. They have still been developing the car though, and when I contacted them for an update the other week they said it should finally be ready for launch very soon. Watch this space...

jamesc

2,820 posts

286 months

Friday 4th July 2003
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Surely if you want this kind of thing; a 2nd hand Reliant Robin would be better. As for the Carver it is a waste of time!

James

Quicktomo

15 posts

254 months

Saturday 5th July 2003
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It suggests an accident looking for somewhere to happen!

danmangt40

296 posts

286 months

Monday 7th July 2003
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do some research before tossing off a car based on its relatively unrelated forebears. Comparing this car to a robin is like comparing a modern 911 to the last Tatra sedan (czech POS with rear-engine layout). for a proper comparison, check this:
www.vigillante.com

PetrolTed

34,439 posts

305 months

Monday 7th July 2003
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jamesc said:
Surely if you want this kind of thing; a 2nd hand Reliant Robin would be better. As for the Carver it is a waste of time!

James


Utter cods. If you're only point of comparison is the number of wheels then I don't think you're onto a strong argument.

The Carver is expensive, it's weird, it's not got an obvious niche but it is huge fun. There's always a place for fun vehicles even if it's only in the garages of wealthy enthusiasts.

Toffer

1,527 posts

263 months

Monday 7th July 2003
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PetrolTed said:


The Carver is expensive, it's weird, it's not got an obvious niche but it is huge fun. There's always a place for fun vehicles even if it's only in the garages of wealthy enthusiasts.


Hmm...generous sentiments, but a guy in a Dutch shed is not going to provide PH with much in the way of sponsorship or advertising

No, only joking Ted!

PetrolTed

34,439 posts

305 months

Monday 7th July 2003
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It's, err... not quite one man in a shed, that was er... 'journalistic licence'

Toffer

1,527 posts

263 months

Tuesday 8th July 2003
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Ahhh, so you are buttering them up!

jamesc

2,820 posts

286 months

Wednesday 9th July 2003
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Still reckon the Robin is better value!