RE: Watch for LHD lorries: IAM tip

RE: Watch for LHD lorries: IAM tip

Friday 3rd November 2006

Watch for LHD lorries: IAM tip

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Watch out for LHD lorries
Watch out for LHD lorries
The Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM) has issued a driving tip in joining motorways -- in particular, dealing with lorries, and especially those from the continent with left-hand drive. It makes an interesting point.

Joining motorways

Because the speed limit on motorways is 70mph for cars, drivers tend to forget that different speed limits apply to other vehicles.

For example, nearly every lorry will have a speed limiter fitted, designed to physically prevent them going faster than 56mph. While on a free flowing, off peak motorway this should present no problem, there are potential pitfalls for a driver trying to join a busy motorway where commercial vehicles are already on there.

Firstly getting up to the appropriate speed on the slip road is a skill in itself: you may find yourself being overtaken on the slip road by a faster moving car or motorbike. Then when you are just about approaching 60mph yourself, you suddenly realise that you are heading towards a daunting line of trucks, some of which are very large, all doing 56mph in lane one.

The broken line at the top of the slip road means that you should be prepared to give way to traffic already on the motorway. But losing speed because of a truck feels very dangerous, especially when you think about the fast moving vehicles coming up behind you.

Do you try to get up to something like 56mph yourself, in order that you can find a gap between two of the HGVs, in the hope that you can make your way smoothly and safely to lane two? Or do you quickly speed up so you can get to the head of the queue and hopefully join the motorway at that point?

The problem is further compounded by foreign truck drivers, who because of the layout of their mirrors and driving position, often cannot see other cars from their left hand drive vehicles. These foreign HGVs have a blind spot on the right hand side, reducing their ability to see smaller cars. This in turn means that they have difficulty moving from lane one to lane two to make a successful overtake.

Recent media coverage has pointed out that drivers of long distance trucks from Europe may be particularly vulnerable to driver fatigue.

Be prepared to make allowances for larger, slower moving vehicles by shoulder checking to find a suitable safe gap as you approach on the slip road. And if you find yourself overtaking a large foreign lorry, consider using lane three if it is safe to do so. Some truckers have a sticker remind us that "if you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you".

That's good advice, no matter where the truck is from.

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V8 Kieran

Original Poster:

968 posts

266 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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....not to mention the LHD trucks coming down the slip lane into slowish moving traffic, asserting "might is right" and barging in. In this instance - straight into the side of my wife's car. Then proceeded to drag her sideways, hanging off the front of his truck for 200yds until he looked over the nose to see what that irritating noise was! A*seholesbanghead

Edited by V8 Kieran on Friday 3rd November 11:10

mini_ralf

8,531 posts

230 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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In Europe traffic joining the motorway has right of way over traffic already on the motorway. They should be aware that the rules here are different but many seem not to be.

V8 Kieran

Original Poster:

968 posts

266 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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Ah - that may explain why he appeared to just plough straight in! Couldn't ask why as he spoke not a word of English - all we could get was his name written down, but as I can't read Cyrillic....rolleyes

Wildfire

9,863 posts

265 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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Yep my mate who has just bought a Chim was plannign on selling his Fiesta this week to fund the Chim, on his way down to pay for the Chim, a LHD lorry clipped the rear of his car in a service station.

Wraith

19 posts

226 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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I thought all trucks had "magic mirrors"... when you look into them everything behind you mysteriously dissapears so you can pull out any time you want into the middle lane and relax for the next 20 miles whilst you graddually overtake your buddy who has a slightly heavier load and so can't go quite as fast up inclines.

Rob_the_Sparky

1,000 posts

251 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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One thing is for certain, never try to pull out into a gap between two trucks as they more often than not will close it just as you try, unlike car drivers who generally try to open it up to let you in...

apache

39,731 posts

297 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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And just how the hell are you supposed to know? plenty of foriegn trailers are pulled by british units and vice versa, you only really know when you are alongside which is a little too late. Besides UK drivers are perfectly capable of driving like pricks too.

Chris944_S2

2,016 posts

236 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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mini_ralf said:
In Europe traffic joining the motorway has right of way over traffic already on the motorway. They should be aware that the rules here are different but many seem not to be.

I got my license in France but was never taught that one. Unless laws have changed, both France and Switzerland are the same as the UK. Can't vouch for the rest of Europe though.

apache

39,731 posts

297 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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Chris944_S2 said:
mini_ralf said:
In Europe traffic joining the motorway has right of way over traffic already on the motorway. They should be aware that the rules here are different but many seem not to be.

I got my license in France but was never taught that one. Unless laws have changed, both France and Switzerland are the same as the UK. Can't vouch for the rest of Europe though.


I passed my test in Germany, that wasn't part of it

zebedee

4,592 posts

291 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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apache said:
Chris944_S2 said:
mini_ralf said:
In Europe traffic joining the motorway has right of way over traffic already on the motorway. They should be aware that the rules here are different but many seem not to be.

I got my license in France but was never taught that one. Unless laws have changed, both France and Switzerland are the same as the UK. Can't vouch for the rest of Europe though.


I passed my test in Germany, that wasn't part of it


doesn't sound right to me either? The only real motoring oddity I had was in Greece, where you have to stop if you were already on a roundabout if there was traffic wanting to join the roundabout - ridiculous, and completely ignored by the locals thankfully! (Thats what the car hire place told me anyway, I think they just wanted me to have an accident so they'd get their ridiculous excess paid and then bodgethe car up for the next punter

apache

39,731 posts

297 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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zebedee said:
apache said:
Chris944_S2 said:
mini_ralf said:
In Europe traffic joining the motorway has right of way over traffic already on the motorway. They should be aware that the rules here are different but many seem not to be.

I got my license in France but was never taught that one. Unless laws have changed, both France and Switzerland are the same as the UK. Can't vouch for the rest of Europe though.


I passed my test in Germany, that wasn't part of it


doesn't sound right to me either? The only real motoring oddity I had was in Greece, where you have to stop if you were already on a roundabout if there was traffic wanting to join the roundabout - ridiculous, and completely ignored by the locals thankfully! (Thats what the car hire place told me anyway, I think they just wanted me to have an accident so they'd get their ridiculous excess paid and then bodgethe car up for the next punter


Same in Holland, it's because you have to give way to the left so someone joining the roundabout has priority

mini_ralf

8,531 posts

230 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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Many apologies. I was always told that in Europe traffic coming on to the motorway has right of way of traffic already on the motorway. After seeing your comments I've spent some time googling and haven't found anything to support my statement...

Sorry...

tony*t3

20,911 posts

260 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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My tip is to avoid forign looking lorries on roundabouts - they often go all the way around using the outside lane.... some European countries have very few if any roundabouts so the drivers just dont understand them when in Britain (although they should)....

vipers

33,228 posts

241 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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apache said:
And just how the hell are you supposed to know? plenty of foriegn trailers are pulled by british units and vice versa, you only really know when you are alongside which is a little too late. Besides UK drivers are perfectly capable of driving like pricks too.


Foreign trailers pulled by british tractors have british plates! Unless the tractor units are registerd abroad I guess.

apache said:
Besides UK drivers are perfectly capable of driving like pricks too


Yes but dont tar them all with the same brush, they are probably mimicking some of our car drivers antics!



Edited by vipers on Friday 3rd November 16:53


Edited by vipers on Friday 3rd November 16:56

SCOOTERMAN

238 posts

238 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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IAM advise drivers to: "Be careful around HGVs and remember the blindspots of LHD trucks"

Sherlock, we're all out of shít.

nickfrog

22,512 posts

230 months

Friday 3rd November 2006
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mini_ralf said:
Many apologies. I was always told that in Europe traffic coming on to the motorway has right of way of traffic already on the motorway. After seeing your comments I've spent some time googling and haven't found anything to support my statement...

Sorry...


It is the "Europe" bit that I don't get. Unless I am mistaken, the UK is part of it. I guess you refer to continental Europe (does that include Corsica ?).

froddan

7,803 posts

244 months

Saturday 4th November 2006
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I drove my first 6 months in UK in a LHD car, and I can vouch for the impossibility of always being able to see other traffic in junctions and roundabouts, and it must be even harder up from a HGV.
I'm sure most of you that have taken your RHD car abroad have encountered the same difficulties, driving in a car that isn't designed for driving on the right side of the road, while a LHD car obviously isn't designed for left side traffic.

Leggy

1,022 posts

235 months

Saturday 4th November 2006
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I witnessed at close hand a foreign LHD lorry pull out and hit the car I was following on the M26 a couple of weeks ago. It didn't even indicate. Very scary. Good advice - give them all a wide berth.

scudon

3 posts

241 months

Saturday 4th November 2006
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I think a lot of people in cars and lorries drive down the slip roads onto motorways and EXPECT lane 1 users to make room. "oh i'm indicating so let me in approach" As if it's the responsibility of the veichles on the motorway to make room.
The fact that at busy times this is not always possible due to traffic in Lane 2, i thought it was the responsibility of the veichle joing the m/way to guage their own position and speed and either speed up or slow down to merge in safely. I appreciate that if its possible to move right into lane 2 to assist this then this should be done. However, how many people do you see just indicate and move into Lane 2 to "assist" the merging traffic and then that causes lane 2 users to either brake or do exactly the same as land 1 movers and move into the 3rd lane. Lane management in the Uk is often the main reason for accidents IMO.

negative creep

25,435 posts

240 months

Saturday 4th November 2006
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An easy solution is to ban lorries from lane 2. They are a nightmare, one pulls out and takes minutes to overtake, slowing all traffic down behind it, who then move into the ouiter lane, slowing that as well