Japanese water powered car (seriously)
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Hmm - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genepax
Seems like someone's been bending the laws of physics again gromit.
Seems like someone's been bending the laws of physics again gromit.
I would assume that it actually runs on "Browns Gas" or HHO.
Browns Gas/HHO generators run on electricity - 12v no doubt in this case, and they are getting more and more efficient as developments continue.
Perfectly possible. Just that someone has to do it first.
And here they are.
More info here:
http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html
Browns Gas/HHO generators run on electricity - 12v no doubt in this case, and they are getting more and more efficient as developments continue.
Perfectly possible. Just that someone has to do it first.
And here they are.
More info here:
http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html
Precious little detail here isn't there? Extract hydrogen from water ... produce electrons ... using an electric Gwhiz as a demo vehicle.
With such scan information, you can do little but deduce that the extract hydrogen and run a fuel cell on it to produce electricity to drive the car's motor. They don't tell you what the prime mover is - what supplies the energy to extract the hydrogen from the water. If it were electricity, you'd be better running the motor from that.
Thinking more positively, If they have a technology that they want to keep quiet for now, then storing water rather than hydrogen in your car is probably a lot safer.
I can't see it though. You can't use water as a fuel. You have to have some source of energy to manipulate the water. Do the Japanese have an equivalent of April Fool's Day?
With such scan information, you can do little but deduce that the extract hydrogen and run a fuel cell on it to produce electricity to drive the car's motor. They don't tell you what the prime mover is - what supplies the energy to extract the hydrogen from the water. If it were electricity, you'd be better running the motor from that.
Thinking more positively, If they have a technology that they want to keep quiet for now, then storing water rather than hydrogen in your car is probably a lot safer.
I can't see it though. You can't use water as a fuel. You have to have some source of energy to manipulate the water. Do the Japanese have an equivalent of April Fool's Day?
Is that Gordon Browns Gas? By christ he certainly has enough of it,infact enough to supply the whole of England for the next 10 years or more.
I wonder what type of noise will come from a water powered engine,like a swooshing noise or a dripping noise i guess,well stick it, i will always prefer the sound of a real engine, no matter what they come up with. Watch this space,the government cronies will quickly find a way of getting revenue off of a water powered car,maybe £10,000 a year road tax,for example? not for roads though, but to line the pockets of the ministers,now theres a good idea i might become a government minister,now how do i apply??????????????????????????????
I wonder what type of noise will come from a water powered engine,like a swooshing noise or a dripping noise i guess,well stick it, i will always prefer the sound of a real engine, no matter what they come up with. Watch this space,the government cronies will quickly find a way of getting revenue off of a water powered car,maybe £10,000 a year road tax,for example? not for roads though, but to line the pockets of the ministers,now theres a good idea i might become a government minister,now how do i apply??????????????????????????????
thunderbelmont said:
I would assume that it actually runs on "Browns Gas" or HHO.
Browns Gas/HHO generators run on electricity - 12v no doubt in this case, and they are getting more and more efficient as developments continue.
Perfectly possible. Just that someone has to do it first.
And here they are.
More info here:
http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html
Browns Gas/HHO generators run on electricity - 12v no doubt in this case, and they are getting more and more efficient as developments continue.
Perfectly possible. Just that someone has to do it first.
And here they are.
More info here:
http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html
No, Gordon Browns Gas is actually Methane, not Hydrogen, or HHO.
Don't give them ideas about taxing water, or we'll have to fill in a tax return every time it rains.
The issue with this litte car is one of getting something out without putting something in. Further digging has shown that they are not telling the whole truth here.
If they are producing HHO in the vehicle, that requires electrickery, and if they're using Hydrogen Fuel Cell Technology to generate that electrickery, there has to be either a residual power source (externally charged batteries or a small hydrogen tank) to get it all going, otherwise you have created something that cannot exist - perpetual motion.
Don't give them ideas about taxing water, or we'll have to fill in a tax return every time it rains.
The issue with this litte car is one of getting something out without putting something in. Further digging has shown that they are not telling the whole truth here.
If they are producing HHO in the vehicle, that requires electrickery, and if they're using Hydrogen Fuel Cell Technology to generate that electrickery, there has to be either a residual power source (externally charged batteries or a small hydrogen tank) to get it all going, otherwise you have created something that cannot exist - perpetual motion.
renrut said:
Load of rubbish. You use energy to make hydrogen and oxygen from water, and then burn the hydrogen and oxygen to release the same amount of energy. Assuming 100% efficiency there is still no net power production.
Errr but they are more efficient ways of extracting the useable hydrogen & more efiicient ways of using it!! There's a guy on Driftworks who's been making a little plant to extract to the HHO & run is Volvo 340 on it 
Plenty of experimental units about & homebrew kits. Obviously this system uses the hydrogen to produce electricity in a rather efficient way.
We made a "Hydrogen Tap" at work with a few bits of scrap metal.
They sell them on Fleebay and use 20 amps from the alternator.
BUT apparently the HHO gas make your combustion more efficient and therefore you get more power from the same amount of fuel, which replaces the energy used by the alternator and give you more MPG on top!
Not tried it myself, but the principle of catalytic reaction is well know and if this could be cracked (pun sorry) we may just be able to increase it's efficiency.
The real soloution is to build 26 Nuclear power stations that have huge over capacity, particualarly overnight.
All the extra power would be used to make HHO and we use that as a fuel instead of petrol or diesel.
But this needs a pro-active Gov who can overcome the loony eco mentalists and NIMBY objectionist in local councils.
They sell them on Fleebay and use 20 amps from the alternator.
BUT apparently the HHO gas make your combustion more efficient and therefore you get more power from the same amount of fuel, which replaces the energy used by the alternator and give you more MPG on top!
Not tried it myself, but the principle of catalytic reaction is well know and if this could be cracked (pun sorry) we may just be able to increase it's efficiency.
The real soloution is to build 26 Nuclear power stations that have huge over capacity, particualarly overnight.
All the extra power would be used to make HHO and we use that as a fuel instead of petrol or diesel.
But this needs a pro-active Gov who can overcome the loony eco mentalists and NIMBY objectionist in local councils.
Edited by Old Geezer on Thursday 19th June 21:28
Old Geezer said:
We made a "Hydrogen Tap" at work with a few bits of scrap metal.
They sell them on Fleebay and use 20 amps from the alternator.
BUT apparently the HHO gas make your combustion more efficient and therefore you get more power from the same amount of fuel, which replaces the energy used by the alternator and give you more MPG on top!
Not tried it myself, but the principle of catalytic reaction is well know and if this could be cracked (pun sorry) we may just be able to increase it's efficiency.
The real soloution is to build 26 Nuclear power stations that have huge over capacity, particualarly overnight.
All the extra power would be used to make HHO and we use that as a fuel instead of petrol or diesel.
But this needs a pro-active Gov who can overcome the loony eco mentalists and NIMBY objectionist in local councils.
According to the test reports, running a HHO generator plumbed into a conventional engine reduces emissions (Hydrocarbons & CO) by as much as 80%.They sell them on Fleebay and use 20 amps from the alternator.
BUT apparently the HHO gas make your combustion more efficient and therefore you get more power from the same amount of fuel, which replaces the energy used by the alternator and give you more MPG on top!
Not tried it myself, but the principle of catalytic reaction is well know and if this could be cracked (pun sorry) we may just be able to increase it's efficiency.
The real soloution is to build 26 Nuclear power stations that have huge over capacity, particualarly overnight.
All the extra power would be used to make HHO and we use that as a fuel instead of petrol or diesel.
But this needs a pro-active Gov who can overcome the loony eco mentalists and NIMBY objectionist in local councils.
Edited by Old Geezer on Thursday 19th June 21:28
Plus the better fuel economy that goes with it.
The idea of a purely water fuelled car is tosh at the moment, and even in the future, it'd be tosh because pure water can't be a fuel without help.
Add some deuterium (heavy hydrogen) rich water and you could use it for fuel in a Nuclear Fusion reactor (you need a "Mr Fusion Personal Fusion Powerplant" to go with your DeLorean)
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