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I see a car has just gone up for sale with 88,500 miles
on the clock!
What's the highest anyone has seen on a Cerbera?
Go create some weather...
Graham
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on the clock!
What's the highest anyone has seen on a Cerbera?
Go create some weather...
Graham
TCR The Cerbera Register
www.aauk.biz/Cerbera/index.htm
ocean1 said:
Why wouldnt they last as long as any other engine? The specific output is not particularly high, so the engines (including the s6) are not that highly stressed.
Ocean1
Very true, they were designed by Al Melling for a Japanese racing engine project that folded. They got together with PW at TVR and re-developed the engine for racing in the Tuscan's and the road for the Cerbera. The racing Tuscan's engines develop more power so the road car engines are not stressed so have lots left in them.
FourWheelDrift said:
Why wouldnt they last as long as any other engine? The specific output is not particularly high, so the engines (including the s6) are not that highly stressed.
Ocean1
Very true, they were designed by Al Melling for a Japanese racing engine project that folded. They got together with PW at TVR and re-developed the engine for racing in the Tuscan's and the road for the Cerbera. The racing Tuscan's engines develop more power so the road car engines are not stressed so have lots left in them.
Where did this story come from? This is different to the usual F1 V10 story.
FourWheelDrift said:
Why wouldnt they last as long as any other engine? The specific output is not particularly high, so the engines (including the s6) are not that highly stressed.
Ocean1
Very true, they were designed by Al Melling for a Japanese racing engine project that folded. They got together with PW at TVR and re-developed the engine for racing in the Tuscan's and the road for the Cerbera. The racing Tuscan's engines develop more power so the road car engines are not stressed so have lots left in them.
I always understood that the V8 was based on a design for Judd, and bacame available when F1 cars all started to move off V8s and go to V10s. Never heard of a Japanese connection before.
Also, I thought the S6 was a design just for TVR and in no way related to the V8 or any other project, aborted or otherwise. It certainly looks like it was always specified for a road car, as opposed to the V8 which has things in there that suggest F1 or similar competition roots.
Also, in terms of 're-developed the engine for racing in the Tuscan's and the road for the Cerbera', I would have to guess that the aim with the Tuscans was always to develop the road engine, otherwise why replace the twin-cam 4-valve heads [as I understand the original design had, and ideal for racing Tuscans] with single cam 2 valve heads with crappy port design.
WB
WB
GCerbera said:
I see a car has just gone up for sale with 88,500 miles
on the clock!
What's the highest anyone has seen on a Cerbera?
Go create some water...?
Graham
TCR The Cerbera Register
www.aauk.biz/Cerbera/index.htm
I am sure this car has been for sale for ages or has been sold a number of times as I am sure I have seen it for sale in the past.
ps my car has done 60K but had a complete engine rebuild 7K ago. Now effectively a brand new engine to latest spec. I would think that a well cared for engine in a regularly used car should do at least 60K and maybe even get up to 100K.
BCA said:
I have a Yellow Cerbera with 85000 miles on the original engine and cams. Do you know something about my car that I don't?
Nice, let us know when it passes 100k!
You never know with these things, but thats my intention. I got the car checked out by APM before I bought it and Andy said it could pass for one with 30K less on the clock.
When he serviced it a few days later he was pleasantly suprised at how clean the heads were inside (no burnt oil deposits etc.) and the fact that its still has the original 'clatter-cams'. A call to the factory confirmed that its never been rebuilt.
I guess they do like being used.....
....Tuscan (se my profile) - the guy who heads up the TVR club in Auckland can give you the full run down (details in sprint) - I think the cerbies are fine to import but Griff & Chim are difficult because the have not have offset front crash tests done on the cars yet.
very confusing...
very confusing...
Sorry, work with too many Kiwis not to be able to take the p*ss.simonsparrow said:Excellent to hear
I have a Yellow Cerbera with 85000 miles on the original engine and cams.
Mine is at around 42k on original engine and cams and
seems to be doing fine, so that makes me very happy
(butalsorunstotouchwood)
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Graham
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gazzab said:
FourWheelDrift said:
ocean1 said:
Why wouldnt they last as long as any other engine? The specific output is not particularly high, so the engines (including the s6) are not that highly stressed.
Ocean1
Very true, they were designed by Al Melling for a Japanese racing engine project that folded. They got together with PW at TVR and re-developed the engine for racing in the Tuscan's and the road for the Cerbera. The racing Tuscan's engines develop more power so the road car engines are not stressed so have lots left in them.
Where did this story come from? This is different to the usual F1 V10 story.
It never got beyond a design study for a modular engine design. I don't know which Japanese company originally contracted Al for the design but it was a design for an engine that could be made as a V6, V8, V10 or V12. But the change of rules in F1 killed the project. I don't know if anyone picked the project up before TVR for the F1 V10 after it was dropped though.
But Al Melling (the "A" of AJP) made such a good job of the design it was naturally (and timely) picked up by TVR who were sourcing a new engine for the Griffith (ironically never fitted). It was then fitted to the Tuscan racer and the Cerbera.
Edited to add -
The AJP V8 engine is actually little like what the F1 engine would have been like since the stroke of F1 engines as very small (F1 engines do so much as rev like road car engines, they "vibrate" - short stroke/big bore).
It was purely the concept and design of the engine's flat plane crank that was carried over into the AJP V8 and it's relatively compact original size (to fit in a Griffith engine bay).
>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 17th July 17:33
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