RE: Lamborghini Miura breaks cover

RE: Lamborghini Miura breaks cover

Wednesday 4th January 2006

Lamborghini Miura breaks cover

Concept car debuts today in LA


The original Lamborghini Miura
The original Lamborghini Miura
The Miura is back! Rumours of its revival have been sloshing around for a while as reported right here on PistonHeads (see link to our earlier story below), but it now seems that the iconic Italian supercar -- the machine that arguably kick-started the whole supercar genre -- is highly likely to return.

Lamborghini's P400 Miura concept makes its debut today at the Los Angeles auto show. According to Car magazine, it's being dubbed a styling exercise by Lamborghini boss Stephen Winkelmann. The magazine reported him saying enigmatically: "we are not yet talking about production. But every project has its meaning". The publication reckoned that insiders are confident that will be a runner -- although the concept in LA doesn't yet have a motor in it.

It looks like the original: the drooped nose, the lipped boot lid, and the cabin-backwards stance all hark back to the earlier design. Presumably its tendency to take off at high speeds have been constrained by modern wind tunnel and computer-aided design techniques.

It'll be derived from the Gallardo's four-wheel drive underpinnings but stretched to accommodate the mid-mounted longitudinally-oriented V12. The dash may well echo the original's with two huge dials in front of the driver plus a battery of smaller dials on the wide transmission tunnel. The engine however, could also be a new powerplant currently under development. Sporting six litres of displacement, it could get direct injection and a pair of turbochargers to generate a beefy 1,000bhp and 737lb-ft of torque.

Production is likely to be limited, and the price somewhere north of £200,000. We'll keep you posted...

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paulie-mafia

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Wednesday 4th January 2006
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I just wet myself in anticipation!

klassiekerrally

2,543 posts

255 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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I don't get it...
If VW had so many problems to get 1000 bhp out of the 16 cylinder Veyron, how are they going to do it with a 12 cylinder engine?

Seeing is believing...
I wouldn't be surprised if the engine is a W12, because of the longitudinal placement in the back.

GTRene

16,524 posts

224 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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with those looks and BIG power and ofcorse low weight! it could be a good replacement of this time...wonder what they aming at...1000hp less weight then a Bugg veyron hmm do I hear a challenge?

GTRene

paulie-mafia

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Wednesday 4th January 2006
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klassiekerrally said:
I don't get it...
If VW had so many problems to get 1000 bhp out of the 16 cylinder Veyron, how are they going to do it with a 12 cylinder engine?

Seeing is believing...
I wouldn't be surprised if the engine is a W12, because of the longitudinal placement in the back.


i reckon it's doable - didn't saleen recently announce a 1000bhp car recently? guess the issue for vw is whether they can generate that type of power and still retain the infamous 'golf levels of reliability'

flossythepig

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243 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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ph said:
It'll be derived from the Gallardo's four-wheel drive underpinnings but stretched to accommodate the mid-mounted longitudinally-oriented V12.

Didn't the original Muira have the engine mounted transversely?

Hugh

dinkel

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258 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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flossythepig said:
Didn't the original Muira have the engine mounted transversely? Hugh




Breathing in ur neck . . .

mk1fan

10,517 posts

225 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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Nice!

jellison

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277 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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Shocking - Not in a good way - what is it with all this retro Crap - and I mean Crap ala Ford GT - why can't these companies just have the Ball come out with a fresh car from the wheel to the top of the roof - cost no more!

Ooh Ya the Jota was ONE Of the GREAT cars.

>> Edited by jellison on Wednesday 4th January 13:35

GTRene

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Wednesday 4th January 2006
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jellison said:
Shocking - Not in a good way - what is it with all this retro Crap - and I mean Crap ala Ford GT - why can't these companies just have the Ball come out with a fresh car from the wheel to the top of the roof - cost no more!

Ooh Ya the Jota was ONE Of the GREAT cars.

>> Edited by jellison on Wednesday 4th January 13:35

The cars are new, only the name is not...and better a good looking retro look then a modern no face(mass looking) style car...(in some cases)
And yep, the Jota was/is a great car...bit expensive though and very rare..
GTRene

r988

7,495 posts

229 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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Wrong, wrong, wrong a 1000bhp new 'retro' miura? it's not April 1st is it?

Whoever came up with this idea should be shot, shouldn't be called Miura, shouldn't look like one. Do something original feckwits. The Ford GT doesn't do it for me either, looks like a crude toy version of the old one as does the new Miura in the pictures.

bunglist

545 posts

230 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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jellison said:
Shocking - Not in a good way - what is it with all this retro Crap - and I mean Crap ala Ford GT - why can't these companies just have the Ball come out with a fresh car from the wheel to the top of the roof - cost no more!

Ooh Ya the Jota was ONE Of the GREAT cars.

>> Edited by jellison on Wednesday 4th January 13:35



Hope they do this as the Miura is one of the best looking cars ever!!!!

I expect the reason these car companies are doing this is because they know they will sell,

A great looking car with todays engineering , although sometimes old engineering is better than new.

But anyway todays car designers are obviously doing the wrong drugs, as look at the state of most new cars these days they are bloody horrible,............ look at the multipla.

They keep on designing cars that are compact but have loads of room inside, easy to get in and out of Etc Etc all the boring requirements.

Now Miura type styling was probably designed around being extreme looking for the time, dont care if it is easy to get in and out of, must be dangerously fast (for the time)and a lot of soul Etc Etc all the exciting requirements.

jellison

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Wednesday 4th January 2006
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But original had terrible (i.e. never tested aerodynamic properties) take-off issue once up to decent speed - presume that would be avoided!!

therossatron

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232 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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klassiekerrally said:
I don't get it...
If VW had so many problems to get 1000 bhp out of the 16 cylinder Veyron, how are they going to do it with a 12 cylinder engine?

Seeing is believing...
I wouldn't be surprised if the engine is a W12, because of the longitudinal placement in the back.


TVR seem to manage about 500bhp from a 6 so 1000 out of a 12 cylinder engine doesn't seem unfeasible.

kingb

1,151 posts

226 months

Wednesday 4th January 2006
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jesus christ!! they decide to revive a supercar and put a current supercar V12 in it. its all sounding good. then for no apparent reason they decide 1000BHP would be nice!! Italians!!! you gotta love em

farmer

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274 months

Thursday 5th January 2006
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I agree with others here; Yes fantastic looking , but no thanks to it or the Ford GT , if (oh IFFFFF) I was in that market I'd go for an Enzo or a Zonda cus though they look a bit dodgy at least they are contemporary , and if you want a Miura, and why wouldn't you, buy an original with some of your other cash , and a decent GT40 replica (most are) for tartin about in as well , as for a 1000HP v12 how could they justify that after the Veyron development fiasco.
If it comes to pass, take me for a ride please, but I don't want to Re-paint the Mona Lisa thanks all the same

munky

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Thursday 5th January 2006
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klassiekerrally said:
I don't get it...
If VW had so many problems to get 1000 bhp out of the 16 cylinder Veyron, how are they going to do it with a 12 cylinder engine?


Didn't Koenig get 1000 bhp out of a Testarossa, nearly 20 years ago?

smele

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Thursday 5th January 2006
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munky said:
klassiekerrally said:
I don't get it...
If VW had so many problems to get 1000 bhp out of the 16 cylinder Veyron, how are they going to do it with a 12 cylinder engine?


Didn't Koenig get 1000 bhp out of a Testarossa, nearly 20 years ago?


Along with the gearbox 30 seconds later.

Fire99

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Thursday 5th January 2006
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los angeles said:
Yup. I'm with all the naysayers on this one. Why resurrect an old design? It's no better than movie remakes. Most of those cars are of their day. Let's have the shock of the new.


Well chaps im gonna sit on the Yay side of the fence..
The bottom line is, Body design, with regards to style, has gone downhill since the glory days of the Jaguar E-Type, Lamborghini Muira, Ferrari GTO etc.

Personally i think the best car in the world would be one with styling from that era and technology from 2006.

IT is my business but when styling a car Pencil & Paper beats Computer everytime..

cheers,

Nick

dinkel

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Thursday 5th January 2006
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klassiekerrally

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Thursday 5th January 2006
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Nice, but hardly ready for production...
I wonder what the definitive looks will be.
Wouldn't surprise me if they have to change a lot of stuff to get 5 stars in the stupid Euro NCAP tests