Why did you get a Monaro?
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slackalice said:
This following statement (direct quote) sums it all up really.
Dear All,
Have any of our politicians got the back bone to stand up and say something similar? I doubt it we seem to be saddled with a bunch of invertebrates!
Of course, they've recently had a change of government in Australia so perhaps this view point did not have as much support as first assumed!
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
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and all I was worried about was upsetting everyone that I had a 6l fuel guzzeling V8 with a carbon foot print the size of the uk!
Dear All,
Have any of our politicians got the back bone to stand up and say something similar? I doubt it we seem to be saddled with a bunch of invertebrates!
Of course, they've recently had a change of government in Australia so perhaps this view point did not have as much support as first assumed!
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
___________________________________________________________________________________-
and all I was worried about was upsetting everyone that I had a 6l fuel guzzeling V8 with a carbon foot print the size of the uk!
On that basis, any non conformist immigrants should be made to drive a Monaro, so they can understand why democracy rules!!
S600VXR said:
Love the above "statement" - wish the UK had a backbone like this and stopped paining to every PC comment made!
Sadly this is a direct result of joining Europe. It's not British policy, it's Brussels decree and we now have to tow the line. I bought this car to be different, sadly being 'different' nowadays is seen as wrong or subversive and like smokers, we'll soon be made to be the 'new enemy' just because we enjoy our little hobby of driving fine V8 engineering!
Latest stealth tax is for local authorities to charge for parking permits on the length of vehicles. Over 4 1/2 metres attracts double the rate for smaller cars. The public still haven't seen that the 'green' measures have merely been used as an excuse to raise revenue from an easy target. Perhaps they will wake up shortly. Personally I'm getting to the stage where I will vote for anyone who will abolish all these crap measures!
DevilYellowCV8 said:
S600VXR said:
Love the above "statement" - wish the UK had a backbone like this and stopped paining to every PC comment made!
Sadly this is a direct result of joining Europe. It's not British policy, it's Brussels decree and we now have to tow the line.
I bought this car to be different, sadly being 'different' nowadays is seen as wrong or subversive and like smokers, we'll soon be made to be the 'new enemy' just because we enjoy our little hobby of driving fine V8 engineering!
If we make the monaro a religion, nobody will be able to attack us or offend us, right? It would be politically incorrect of someone to say anything bad about my beliefs in the 'Monaro' faith, and my worship of the V8.
Praise be the Monaro!!!
Our Monaro, who art in 6th gear,
hallowed be thy badge.
Thy V8 come,
thy speed will be done,
on A roads as it is on the track
Give us this day our daily fuel.
And forgive us our carbon footprints,
as we forgive those who race against us.
And lead us speedily into temptation,
but deliver us from crashing.
For Monaro is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen
RoastBeef said:
DevilYellowCV8 said:
S600VXR said:
Love the above "statement" - wish the UK had a backbone like this and stopped paining to every PC comment made!
Sadly this is a direct result of joining Europe. It's not British policy, it's Brussels decree and we now have to tow the line.
I bought this car to be different, sadly being 'different' nowadays is seen as wrong or subversive and like smokers, we'll soon be made to be the 'new enemy' just because we enjoy our little hobby of driving fine V8 engineering!
If we make the monaro a religion, nobody will be able to attack us or offend us, right? It would be politically incorrect of someone to say anything bad about my beliefs in the 'Monaro' faith, and my worship of the V8.
Praise be the Monaro!!!
Our Monaro, who art in 6th gear,
hallowed be thy badge.
Thy V8 come,
thy speed will be done,
on A roads as it is on the track
Give us this day our daily fuel.
And forgive us our carbon footprints,
as we forgive those who race against us.
And lead us speedily into temptation,
but deliver us from crashing.
For Monaro is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen
LOL
I,ve got tears streaming down my face.
My father always had Vauxhalls so when I got my licence I followed and bought an HC viva (1256cc) as my first car. A few years later I got a job with a company car and had several MK2/3 Cavaliers, Renaults and Peugeots. During that time I always maintained an interest in classic (or old...) Vauxhall/GM cars and ran a Vauxhall 'droop-snoot' 2300cc sportshatch Vauxhall VX4/90, and a tuned Magnum 2300. I was also aware of GMs continental brand - Opel - and always liked the styling of thier cars. There were never that many opels in the UK (except for the Manta) one car I thought looked great was the Commodore B. I was lucky to find a mint 20k mile '74 2.5 4 door saloon in 1993 and ran that for a while, then I bought the 'top' model - a '78 2.8 injection Commodore GS/E coupe in 1995. This was one of the best cars I've ever owned I took it on several trips to Germany for club meets there. Eventually I decided I wanted new cars so both Commodores were sold and I had, amongst others, an Audi TT and a Porsche Boxster. But I always regretted selling that GS/E coupe. When the Monaro was introduced, it seemed to me to be the spiritual successor to my GS/E, so in May 2004 I bought a new CV8 which I still have today. I'm still in touch with the owner of my GS/E and saw it at the GM Billing show last year - I'd love to buy it back should it come up for sale.
I wanted another M5 then come across these and thought it was better value for money and heard they are good when supercharged, hard decision on who to use to SC it as both kits got good feedback and both roger at monkfish and mark at rapid are nice fellas, i went with monkfish in the end after driving his demo car and its being done on the 29th jan, cant wait.
Wanted something different and non German...had to be V8 and rear wheel drive. Tried alsorts, Mustang, F150, TVR Cerbera and Sagaris (I know its not a v8 but almost as good!), XJR and S-Type R but once I drove the Monaro I had to have one....Now on my third and still smile EVERYtime I drive it. When I don't I'll get rid, but can't see it ever happening!
biglump said:
Wanted something different and non German...had to be V8 and rear wheel drive. Tried alsorts, Mustang, F150, TVR Cerbera and Sagaris (I know its not a v8 but almost as good!), XJR and S-Type R but once I drove the Monaro I had to have one....Now on my third and still smile EVERYtime I drive it. When I don't I'll get rid, but can't see it ever happening!
How was the S type R biglump? Any good?
Owned a '91 V8 Soarer for 7 years. Never known "smile value" like it. But she's getting old, and with that, naturally enough, starting to become unreliable. Can't get a Soarer any newer than '98 - so knew that if I got another one, I would soon be facing the same problems.
A lot of the lads on the Soarer Forum are Australian, and Holden had been mentioned on more than one occasion. So I googled it and hey presto, another V8 with the same rarity value as the Soarer, the same great looks and even more power.
Test drove one in Bisley and knew I had to have one. Same great "grin factor" as the Soarer. Went to see another one last weekend, it ticked every box - I pick it up this Saturday - can't wait.
A lot of the lads on the Soarer Forum are Australian, and Holden had been mentioned on more than one occasion. So I googled it and hey presto, another V8 with the same rarity value as the Soarer, the same great looks and even more power.
Test drove one in Bisley and knew I had to have one. Same great "grin factor" as the Soarer. Went to see another one last weekend, it ticked every box - I pick it up this Saturday - can't wait.
Edited by Monkey's Uncle on Thursday 10th January 22:25
S-Type R was/is a great car...awesome chassis...much better handling than the Monaro to be honest...A little cramped in the rear though and only available as an AUTO...booooo!!! If a manual was available, it would have been a tough decision...XJR was even better (is lighter coz it's an alluminium body)...but again only Auto and has that woolly pully, flat cap and cigar air about it!
V6 JDT said:
biglump said:
Wanted something different and non German...had to be V8 and rear wheel drive. Tried alsorts, Mustang, F150, TVR Cerbera and Sagaris (I know its not a v8 but almost as good!), XJR and S-Type R but once I drove the Monaro I had to have one....Now on my third and still smile EVERYtime I drive it. When I don't I'll get rid, but can't see it ever happening!
How was the S type R biglump? Any good?Interesting how many Vauxhall fans we have. Can't stand the bloody things myself, would take a Ford any day, however, why the Monaro then?
Top Gear again for awareness I guess, purchase was basically a moment of madness! I have these quite frequently
Had a MINI Cooper S, and needed a bit more boot space to take my kids on holiday, that was my only justifiable reason really. Never had a V8 before, only ever had 1 RWD, (Sierra Company Car), but I've always liked being a bit different so thought WTF...
Does everything I need it too, won't corner like the MINI though!! It's my only car, use the bike mostly for work otherwise it's a daily driver.
Oh, and I still have the Vauxhall badges on, considered changing to Holden but that's a bit poncy really, and I quite like the idea of smoking the odd BM/Porc/etc with a Vauxhall badge.. You still wouldn't catch me in a Vectra/Astra though.....
Top Gear again for awareness I guess, purchase was basically a moment of madness! I have these quite frequently
Had a MINI Cooper S, and needed a bit more boot space to take my kids on holiday, that was my only justifiable reason really. Never had a V8 before, only ever had 1 RWD, (Sierra Company Car), but I've always liked being a bit different so thought WTF... Does everything I need it too, won't corner like the MINI though!! It's my only car, use the bike mostly for work otherwise it's a daily driver.
Oh, and I still have the Vauxhall badges on, considered changing to Holden but that's a bit poncy really, and I quite like the idea of smoking the odd BM/Porc/etc with a Vauxhall badge.. You still wouldn't catch me in a Vectra/Astra though.....
Monnington said:
Interesting how many Vauxhall fans we have. Can't stand the bloody things myself, would take a Ford any day, however, why the Monaro then?
Top Gear again for awareness I guess, purchase was basically a moment of madness! I have these quite frequently Had a MINI Cooper S, and needed a bit more boot space to take my kids on holiday, that was my only justifiable reason really. Never had a V8 before, only ever had 1 RWD, (Sierra Company Car), but I've always liked being a bit different so thought WTF...
Does everything I need it too, won't corner like the MINI though!! It's my only car, use the bike mostly for work otherwise it's a daily driver.
Oh, and I still have the Vauxhall badges on, considered changing to Holden but that's a bit poncy really, and I quite like the idea of smoking the odd BM/Porc/etc with a Vauxhall badge.. You still wouldn't catch me in a Vectra/Astra though.....
Pretty much the same for me, first V8, and a moment of madness too, although I changed the badges becuase the monaro actually IS a Holden, not a Vauxhall. I want the right badges my ro!Top Gear again for awareness I guess, purchase was basically a moment of madness! I have these quite frequently
Had a MINI Cooper S, and needed a bit more boot space to take my kids on holiday, that was my only justifiable reason really. Never had a V8 before, only ever had 1 RWD, (Sierra Company Car), but I've always liked being a bit different so thought WTF...Does everything I need it too, won't corner like the MINI though!! It's my only car, use the bike mostly for work otherwise it's a daily driver.
Oh, and I still have the Vauxhall badges on, considered changing to Holden but that's a bit poncy really, and I quite like the idea of smoking the odd BM/Porc/etc with a Vauxhall badge.. You still wouldn't catch me in a Vectra/Astra though.....
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