How many Tams where built ?
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30 Tamoras built in 2001.
I've got the first customer Tamora (one of two that left the factory on the same day) that was delivered on January 24th 2002. So that means the 30 includes all dealer demos, press cars and prototypes.
Does that should about right? How many dealers were there in late 2001?
I've got the first customer Tamora (one of two that left the factory on the same day) that was delivered on January 24th 2002. So that means the 30 includes all dealer demos, press cars and prototypes.
Does that should about right? How many dealers were there in late 2001?
T66ORA said:
Those figures are way too accurate.TVR themselves didn't know the EXACT figures for anything.
I was told by David Oxley in my recent conversations that only 2 Sagaris IIs were built (1 LHD and 1 RHD)
Also the exact numbers for Griffiths Chimaeras and Cerberas are unknown to exact numbers.
Griffiths for example, there's a range of numbers but according to Roger Shackletons book 'The TVR Griffith Story' there are two figures suggested with Neil Anderson in his foreword saying that his figures amount to 2,334.
Elsewhere Mike Penny says that when Classic cars ran a buying guide story in 2003 the figures they obtained were as follows.
4.x = 625
500s = 1640
Making a total of 2,265
Steve Heath in the 2nd edition of the 'bible' comes up with a figure of 2,445. This number has been estimated as production figures for Griffith Chimaera and Cerbera chassis were all combined with one another. The breakdown for that figure is given as 4.0ltr = 679, 4.3BV = 25, 4.5BV = 12, 5.0ltr = 1,629, 5.0SE = 100.
I think all figures are somewhere round or about but not exact.
I disagree with the figures too.
I was reliably informed by quite a few people that there were 1996 Cerbera's. On the chart it doesn't show BossCerbera in 2005, and it doesn't show mine in 2006.
I also think that the figure for Sag's is a bit high and was there definitely only one built in 2004? I'm not sure but all the pre-launch dealer demo's were 54 plate's, surely some of these would have been late 2004 builds?
Good effort though
I was reliably informed by quite a few people that there were 1996 Cerbera's. On the chart it doesn't show BossCerbera in 2005, and it doesn't show mine in 2006.
I also think that the figure for Sag's is a bit high and was there definitely only one built in 2004? I'm not sure but all the pre-launch dealer demo's were 54 plate's, surely some of these would have been late 2004 builds?
Good effort though
I guess I'm not surprised at the sceptical response from some, this is PH after all.
These numbers came from Ben Lang via J Oxley, provided to Land Transport New Zealand (our DVLA) in support of an individual's application to import and register a Sagaris. The manufacturer's production numbers are significant because in order to be exempt from frontal impact testing it must be proven to be low volume, ie <200 units per year).
My understanding is that the position Ben held (or perhaps that should be 'holds'?) with TVR was/is a senior one, and he could be regarded as a reputable source for this information.
I don't know why the Boss wouldn't be here - maybe Phil's special was off the radar as an internal job, or not considered a 'Cerbera'. There's no Tuscan racers, Speed 12s, T400R, etc. here either.
Regarding 30 2001 Tamoras - when I was buying mine in 2004 there was handful of used 2001 Tams available, the only one I went to view wasn't ex-demo. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that 30 were built and perhaps not all sold.
The 1,996 Cerberas figure came from a thread in the Cerb forum and IIRC it was an ex-TVR employee who gave it. Quite a big difference to these numbers, no idea why that is.
No disrespect to Steve or the other authors quoted above, but I don't know that they would have had better information from TVR at the time as production was probably considered quite commercially sensitive while they were still manufacturing. And there's the question of what you're counting - customer orders, production line, registrations...
These numbers came from Ben Lang via J Oxley, provided to Land Transport New Zealand (our DVLA) in support of an individual's application to import and register a Sagaris. The manufacturer's production numbers are significant because in order to be exempt from frontal impact testing it must be proven to be low volume, ie <200 units per year).
My understanding is that the position Ben held (or perhaps that should be 'holds'?) with TVR was/is a senior one, and he could be regarded as a reputable source for this information.
I don't know why the Boss wouldn't be here - maybe Phil's special was off the radar as an internal job, or not considered a 'Cerbera'. There's no Tuscan racers, Speed 12s, T400R, etc. here either.
Regarding 30 2001 Tamoras - when I was buying mine in 2004 there was handful of used 2001 Tams available, the only one I went to view wasn't ex-demo. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that 30 were built and perhaps not all sold.
The 1,996 Cerberas figure came from a thread in the Cerb forum and IIRC it was an ex-TVR employee who gave it. Quite a big difference to these numbers, no idea why that is.
No disrespect to Steve or the other authors quoted above, but I don't know that they would have had better information from TVR at the time as production was probably considered quite commercially sensitive while they were still manufacturing. And there's the question of what you're counting - customer orders, production line, registrations...
Omerta said:
Regarding 30 2001 Tamoras - when I was buying mine in 2004 there was handful of used 2001 Tams available, the only one I went to view wasn't ex-demo. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that 30 were built and perhaps not all sold.
Hi Don, I'm not disputing the figures at all. Just remembering back to my 18-month wait for my Tamora which eventually arrived as the first customer car on 24/01/02. Therefore the only ones that could have been built before this were dealer demos, press cars and prototypes.....ALT said:
Omerta said:
Regarding 30 2001 Tamoras - when I was buying mine in 2004 there was handful of used 2001 Tams available, the only one I went to view wasn't ex-demo. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that 30 were built and perhaps not all sold.
Hi Don, I'm not disputing the figures at all. Just remembering back to my 18-month wait for my Tamora which eventually arrived as the first customer car on 24/01/02. Therefore the only ones that could have been built before this were dealer demos, press cars and prototypes.....Toobin said:
Lets start a count
I've got one!
1. Toobin
2. Me .... and it's platinum silver to I've got one!
1. Toobin
Edited by Toobin on Tuesday 5th August 23:21
Mine is one of the 176 built in 2002. It was registered August 2002. On the back of the heater Amplifier on masking tape is written 04/04/02, so I assume mine was built between April&August 2002 time.
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1. icraigmy
T66ORA said:
For the Tamora what year did the new front fog light arrangement come into being?, because I tend to see more Tamora's with the new front fog light arrangement than old, and there were 176 Tamora's built in 2002 with I presume has the original front fog light arrangement.icraigmy said:
T66ORA said:
For the Tamora what year did the new front fog light arrangement come into being?, because I tend to see more Tamora's with the new front fog light arrangement than old, and there were 176 Tamora's built in 2002 with I presume has the original front fog light arrangement.icraigmy said:
For the Tamora what year did the new front fog light arrangement come into being?, because I tend to see more Tamora's with the new front fog light arrangement than old, and there were 176 Tamora's built in 2002 with I presume has the original front fog light arrangement.
Ours started build around Feb 2003 and had the new light arrangement (spotlamp, not foglamp).Julian
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