RE: Aston V8 Vantage prices plummet
Discussion
Los Angeles said:
Now why didn't I say that? 
ladies and gentlemen, here he is the one and only Mr.Bigot L.bullsh*t.A. L.A. You still haven't answered my question on the TVR thread. I repeat, defend your bullsh*t and why you insist on these little digs at every opportunity or be forever branded as a bigot, fantasist, walter mitty, bullsh*tter.
yet another hit and run snipe from Mr Hollywood. Anyone else enjoy his posts as much as me?
Thanks L.A. You really do give me a laugh
Dum dum der it's
Pistonheads finest authority on everything he knows nothing about!
Come on mate, give us another pearl of your wisdom, please.
Edited by Shadytree on Tuesday 22 August 21:38
lambojim said:
The comment about 997s losing 20% in their first year is wide of the mark. I paid £74k and sold a year later (back to Porsche too) for £66k - this was them writing a cheque out as there was no part ex. I didn't think that was too bad really and it's a great car. Personally I think a DB9 looks good at around £95k when the V8 is only £15k cheaper.
Hi ex lambojim, you got a very good bid for your Porker, they must have had a customer, as a long term owner of Pork, first year depreciation has always been about 14-15% (unless the product is newly launched & in short supply), my facelift 996 for example went for 53k after a year, when it was over 61k (14% ish) new & this was the very best bid, most being 51k.
since then they have greatly increased supply volumes & we also have direct EEC imports, further affecting residuals nearer to the 20% mark. Of course the 997S was only launched late 04, so if you sold in the honeymoon period. Bottom line a 11% drop in a year was very good, you try & achieve that now! I'll kepp my fingers crosed for when the 997GT3 arrives!!!
With regards to the DB9 vs the AMV8 they really aren't direct competitors, the V8 is much more a drivers/sports car & the DB9 a GT, don't get me wrong I love the DB9 but I don't want one, or a Vanquish, that is why I purchased the Vantage.
Leave LA alone. I'm sure he knows somehting about SOMETHING. What, exactly I doubt we'll ever find out...
Reagrading the DB7, they are VERY good vale for money these days. If you think about it, they have been superseeded twice: by the DB9 and then the V8 Vantage. But they are a very good car indeed. A little rough around the edges, but a very good GT car (dont think of them as a pure sports car, however). A bit like Astons of old?
I think over time they will be appreciated as the last of the Astons which feel like the older ones, with a lot of the modern ones as well. Hopefully they will keep falling so I can afford one as an everyday car, though. It would be great to own 2.
Reagrading the DB7, they are VERY good vale for money these days. If you think about it, they have been superseeded twice: by the DB9 and then the V8 Vantage. But they are a very good car indeed. A little rough around the edges, but a very good GT car (dont think of them as a pure sports car, however). A bit like Astons of old?
I think over time they will be appreciated as the last of the Astons which feel like the older ones, with a lot of the modern ones as well. Hopefully they will keep falling so I can afford one as an everyday car, though. It would be great to own 2.
:J: said:
Out of interest, I have been looking for comparative lap times between the M6/996/V8, any chance you could point me towards where you spotted them, thanks 
Looking for average driver lapt times, i.e. a driver that is not in the top percentile that can extract 100% from the Porsche.
I read something interesting the other day (who knows where?) where a driver of this type took the 996 and V8 out back to back and there was only a tenth in the times. The driver said the V8 was the easier to drive of the 2 as well.
Looking for average driver lapt times, i.e. a driver that is not in the top percentile that can extract 100% from the Porsche. I read something interesting the other day (who knows where?) where a driver of this type took the 996 and V8 out back to back and there was only a tenth in the times. The driver said the V8 was the easier to drive of the 2 as well.
Evo did comparable lap times over 1.8 miles of the Bedford Autodromes west circuit
BMW M5: 1min.29.95secs
M3 CS : 1.29.80 (track tyres)
Porsche 997: 1.28.85
Audi RS4 : 1.28.25
Aston martin V8 : 1.26.75
BMW M6: 1.26.40
Evo FQ320: 1.26.10
996Turbo : 1.26.00
997S (sports): 1.24.60 (with optional 20mm lowered sports suspension, slip diff & PCCB ceramic brakes)
The bottom line is over nearly 2 miles of flat our driving the difference between the cars is rather small, appreciate that if you were doing 60 laps it would make big difference, but on the road !!!!!
Edited by Grant3 on Tuesday 22 August 22:49
silver993tt said:
stanwan said:
996 better than the AMV8? You must be be maaaaad!
Well, Ford is one of the biggest mass car producer in the World, it's no surprise that the Aston will plummet in price. It's a Ford brand name, Atson Martin doesn't exist anymore.
You are quite correct Atson Martin doesn't exist...
That's an extremely well thought out a valid point you've made there silver...
Atson Martin are just plain old Fords really. You are so right in the fact that if an Atson owner requires servicing or spare parts I can just pop down my local Ford dealer and use a Mondeo part instead. It was really smart of Atson Martin to make their brands interchangable. I do believe Lamborghini are trying to do the same using Audi parts
)Grant3 said:
:J: said:
Out of interest, I have been looking for comparative lap times between the M6/996/V8, any chance you could point me towards where you spotted them, thanks Looking for average driver lapt times, i.e. a driver that is not in the top percentile that can extract 100% from the Porsche.
I read something interesting the other day (who knows where?) where a driver of this type took the 996 and V8 out back to back and there was only a tenth in the times. The driver said the V8 was the easier to drive of the 2 as well.
Looking for average driver lapt times, i.e. a driver that is not in the top percentile that can extract 100% from the Porsche. I read something interesting the other day (who knows where?) where a driver of this type took the 996 and V8 out back to back and there was only a tenth in the times. The driver said the V8 was the easier to drive of the 2 as well.
Evo did comparable lap times over 1.8 miles of the Bedford Autodromes west circuit
BMW M5: 1min.29.95secs
M3 CS : 1.29.80 (track tyres)
Porsche 997: 1.28.85
Audi RS4 : 1.28.25
Aston martin V8 : 1.26.75
BMW M6: 1.26.40
Evo FQ320: 1.26.10
996Turbo : 1.26.00
997S (sports): 1.24.60 (with optional 20mm lowered sports suspension, slip diff & PCCB ceramic brakes)
The bottom line is over nearly 2 miles of flat our driving the difference between the cars is rather small, appreciate that if you were doing 60 laps it would make big difference, but on the road !!!!!
Edited by Grant3 on Tuesday 22 August 22:49
As for all this talk of depreciation a) IMO the article was lightweight and ill researched and b) who cares! You buy a car - it costs money, you expect that so just enjoy. After all you don't worry how much that £10k plasma screen will be worth in a years time (zilch) or the fact that an expensive suit is worthless the day you buy it or that a £5k holiday is £5k gone do you?.............. Oh dear, think I'll go for a lie down now
Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 23 August 09:43
Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 23 August 09:44
The M6 is an awesome car, as is the Porsche, but they are both so common place these days that they hold no special value.
The Aston does. It makes you feel special, thats what it should do.
It is fast, it does handle, it does sound good. The others are better in some respects no doubt. bUt the overall package wins, emotionally if nothing else, and thats what counts.
I think the speculaters will move onto the AMV8 Roadster now as that will be wonderful.
Deposit placed by the way !
The Aston does. It makes you feel special, thats what it should do.
It is fast, it does handle, it does sound good. The others are better in some respects no doubt. bUt the overall package wins, emotionally if nothing else, and thats what counts.
I think the speculaters will move onto the AMV8 Roadster now as that will be wonderful.
Deposit placed by the way !
Pugsey said:
Grant3 said:
:J: said:
Out of interest, I have been looking for comparative lap times between the M6/996/V8, any chance you could point me towards where you spotted them, thanks Looking for average driver lapt times, i.e. a driver that is not in the top percentile that can extract 100% from the Porsche.
I read something interesting the other day (who knows where?) where a driver of this type took the 996 and V8 out back to back and there was only a tenth in the times. The driver said the V8 was the easier to drive of the 2 as well.
Looking for average driver lapt times, i.e. a driver that is not in the top percentile that can extract 100% from the Porsche. I read something interesting the other day (who knows where?) where a driver of this type took the 996 and V8 out back to back and there was only a tenth in the times. The driver said the V8 was the easier to drive of the 2 as well.
Evo did comparable lap times over 1.8 miles of the Bedford Autodromes west circuit
BMW M5: 1min.29.95secs
M3 CS : 1.29.80 (track tyres)
Porsche 997: 1.28.85
Audi RS4 : 1.28.25
Aston martin V8 : 1.26.75
BMW M6: 1.26.40
Evo FQ320: 1.26.10
996Turbo : 1.26.00
997S (sports): 1.24.60 (with optional 20mm lowered sports suspension, slip diff & PCCB ceramic brakes)
The bottom line is over nearly 2 miles of flat our driving the difference between the cars is rather small, appreciate that if you were doing 60 laps it would make big difference, but on the road !!!!!
Edited by Grant3 on Tuesday 22 August 22:49
As for all this talk of depreciation a) IMO the article was lightweight and ill researched and b) who cares! You buy a car - it costs money, you expect that so just enjoy. After all you don't worry how much that £10k plasma screen will be worth in a years time (zilch) or the fact that an expensive suit is worthless the day you buy it or that a £5k holiday is £5k gone do you?.............. Oh dear, think I'll go for a lie down now
Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 23 August 09:43
Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 23 August 09:44
Thanks for that guys
Now we just need taffyracer to show us where he got his times from, because all the results shown so far don't indicate the Porsche or M6 being that much faster, if at all, over the V8.
silver993tt said:
It's a Ford brand name, Atson Martin doesn't exist anymore.
As far as I know, Atson Martin never existed! However, owned by Ford or not, the marque, Aston Martin, still exists and is readily identifiable as such! Beautiful and charismatic as ever. I say that despite remembering them as a child, when they were owned by David Brown and still built at Feltham.
A quick check of the eBay ads (not scientific by any stretch) shows that you can purchase a 2005 DB9 for AMV8 money here in the States. I don't think that the premium for the AMV8 has been priced out of the market over here yet. It will be interesting to see what the AMV8s do a year from now.
Seriously considering either the AMV8 or DB9 if the replacement Esprit is crap.
ErnestM
Seriously considering either the AMV8 or DB9 if the replacement Esprit is crap.
ErnestM
v8tvr said:
silver993tt said:
stanwan said:
996 better than the AMV8? You must be be maaaaad!
Well, Ford is one of the biggest mass car producer in the World, it's no surprise that the Aston will plummet in price. It's a Ford brand name, Atson Martin doesn't exist anymore.
What a nob
Well, that was a well thought out response wasn't it? The fact is the cars badged "Aston Martin" are manufactured by Ford. I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with is the extortionat price that is charged for them. With their size and production numbers, they shouldn't be anywhere near thr price that is being charged.
Still, there seem to be enough people out there willing to burn their money
silver993tt said:
v8tvr said:
silver993tt said:
stanwan said:
996 better than the AMV8? You must be be maaaaad!
Well, Ford is one of the biggest mass car producer in the World, it's no surprise that the Aston will plummet in price. It's a Ford brand name, Atson Martin doesn't exist anymore.
What a nob
Well, that was a well thought out response wasn't it? The fact is the cars badged "Aston Martin" are manufactured by Ford. I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with is the extortionat price that is charged for them. With their size and production numbers, they shouldn't be anywhere near thr price that is being charged.
Still, there seem to be enough people out there willing to burn their money
So whats your problem with that,if enough people want to buy them, then that cotradicts what you are saying
silver993tt said:
Well, that was a well thought out response wasn't it? The fact is the cars badged "Aston Martin" are manufactured by Ford. I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with is the extortionat price that is charged for them. With their size and production numbers, they shouldn't be anywhere near thr price that is being charged.
Still, there seem to be enough people out there willing to burn their money
Still, there seem to be enough people out there willing to burn their money
Like the car 993TT very nice, but I do think you are being rather antagonistic, Audi owns Lamborghini, VW own Bently, Fiat Maserati, so what if Ford own Aston Martin. This only affects Aston positively, they would never have had the funds & resources to produce the NEW generation of cars (DB9, AMV8 etc) without Fords might. Aston is now making profit for about the first time in it's history that bodes well, DB9 & V8 have met with great approval all round.
The price isn't that different to the 997S, infact a well optioned C4S is very similar money. The Aston is still hand finished, much more expensive materials are used in the making & it is much lower volume.
Of course this has all been said before, you enjoy your 993TT a fabulous car (yes have driven one), but don't underestimate the V8, it is a very special ownership experience & a great driver car, I say that coming out of a 996TT!
Edited by grant3 on Wednesday 23 August 15:28
silver993tt said:
v8tvr said:
silver993tt said:
stanwan said:
996 better than the AMV8? You must be be maaaaad!
Well, Ford is one of the biggest mass car producer in the World, it's no surprise that the Aston will plummet in price. It's a Ford brand name, Atson Martin doesn't exist anymore.
What a nob
Well, that was a well thought out response wasn't it?
it's what you deserved from a extremely poorly thought out retort... you nob ! Edited by shadytree on Wednesday 23 August 15:31
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