Aston Martin advice from Bamford Rose independent specialist
Discussion
darreni said:
Mike, do you have or plan to have a car sales side to the business?
I'm looking for a V8 Vantage & like the idea of a car that has been through your workshop, maybe with the exhausts/manifolds etc fitted.
Hi.I'm looking for a V8 Vantage & like the idea of a car that has been through your workshop, maybe with the exhausts/manifolds etc fitted.
All in good time, yes...
As we grow and move into larger premises the idea is to buy-up bottom of the market 4.3L's and apply 'the full works' and pass to resale.
Other plans are to buy-up write-off cars, strip and resale parts.
Each member of the Bamford Rose team are in this for the long haul and currently there are no real providers of these services in the market place for the Aston marque - we intend to fill all gaps comprehensively..!
But I would not expect the growth required to pass modified cars to resale until at least next year.
Mike.
George H said:
Mike, I'm amazed just how much power is going to waste in the V8V. Cannot believe the gains that can be achieved just by changing the manifold and exhaust.
If I ever change to a V8V that is out of warranty, I will be having one fit
Hi George.If I ever change to a V8V that is out of warranty, I will be having one fit
Thanks for your kind comments.
If we imagine the engine out of the car and on a dyno with, say, 1 metre long exhaust primary pipes and no air intake system or inlet manifold, just short intake trumpets- and we perform a power curve, the performance achieved would be the absolute optimum and in the case of the V8 a figure of around 130 BHP per litre would be achieved.
What then happens to get the engine to package in the car, pass legislation requirements and make parts to a price are compromises away from that absolute best performance figure..
What has happened here with the exhaust manifolds is that we have recovered the losses imposed by OEM for cost and package because the Bamford Rose design requires a truly handmade system to make the difficult pipe bends and orientation required to deliver optimum performance, whereas OEM system is punched out by robots.
This is a common theme with every aspect of the engine. If OEM invested more it could have revved higher, if OEM invested more the clutch and sportshift gearbox could have been better. If OEM invested more the V8 Vantage could have been a 911 beater by having engine intake variable geometry to deliver greater low speed torque - the list is endless, but I guess even the space shuttle was made to a cost.
However, an example - Jaguar invested heavily in their 5.0 litre GDI pressure charged V8 which the Aston engine is based on, and in comparison what an absolute monster it is, a credit to the team of supremely skilled engineers and investor with the confidence to shell-out.
Whilst we get good gains with the non intrusive fitment of the exhaust system, as can be seen in the case of pommehogster project, when we are let loose on the engine we can unlock yet more of those compromises imposed by other component manufacture..
Mike.
Hi Mike I have a question regarding air intake issues which have been identified as a 'weakness'by a number of parties including of course AM themselves. Does the dyno plot for the standard 4.3V8V with full BR exhaust include any induction changes as it is not mentioned nor priced.
If the plot excludes the induction changes by how much would you expect the figures to improve if fitted as well or on its own and also what is the cost of your kit to improve the breathing.
Many thanks for your information.
If the plot excludes the induction changes by how much would you expect the figures to improve if fitted as well or on its own and also what is the cost of your kit to improve the breathing.
Many thanks for your information.
BamfordMike said:
darreni said:
Mike, do you have or plan to have a car sales side to the business?
I'm looking for a V8 Vantage & like the idea of a car that has been through your workshop, maybe with the exhausts/manifolds etc fitted.
Hi.I'm looking for a V8 Vantage & like the idea of a car that has been through your workshop, maybe with the exhausts/manifolds etc fitted.
All in good time, yes...
As we grow and move into larger premises the idea is to buy-up bottom of the market 4.3L's and apply 'the full works' and pass to resale.
Other plans are to buy-up write-off cars, strip and resale parts.
Each member of the Bamford Rose team are in this for the long haul and currently there are no real providers of these services in the market place for the Aston marque - we intend to fill all gaps comprehensively..!
But I would not expect the growth required to pass modified cars to resale until at least next year.
Mike.
BamfordMike said:
This is a common theme with every aspect of the engine. If OEM invested more it could have revved higher, if OEM invested more the clutch and sportshift gearbox could have been better. If OEM invested more the V8 Vantage could have been a 911 beater by having engine intake variable geometry to deliver greater low speed torque - the list is endless, but I guess even the space shuttle was made to a cost.
However, an example - Jaguar invested heavily in their 5.0 litre GDI pressure charged V8 which the Aston engine is based on, and in comparison what an absolute monster it is, a credit to the team of supremely skilled engineers and investor with the confidence to shell-out.
Imagine an alternative universe. Ulrich Bez phones you up and says "come back, we've got a shedload of cash to spend on engineering and we want you to monster the V8 and V12. Or maybe do something new".However, an example - Jaguar invested heavily in their 5.0 litre GDI pressure charged V8 which the Aston engine is based on, and in comparison what an absolute monster it is, a credit to the team of supremely skilled engineers and investor with the confidence to shell-out.
So - what would you do? Specifically - for a V8(?) powered Vantage S+, a new halo V12 model and the Rapide.
JohnG1 said:
BamfordMike said:
This is a common theme with every aspect of the engine. If OEM invested more it could have revved higher, if OEM invested more the clutch and sportshift gearbox could have been better. If OEM invested more the V8 Vantage could have been a 911 beater by having engine intake variable geometry to deliver greater low speed torque - the list is endless, but I guess even the space shuttle was made to a cost.
However, an example - Jaguar invested heavily in their 5.0 litre GDI pressure charged V8 which the Aston engine is based on, and in comparison what an absolute monster it is, a credit to the team of supremely skilled engineers and investor with the confidence to shell-out.
Imagine an alternative universe. Ulrich Bez phones you up and says "come back, we've got a shedload of cash to spend on engineering and we want you to monster the V8 and V12. Or maybe do something new".However, an example - Jaguar invested heavily in their 5.0 litre GDI pressure charged V8 which the Aston engine is based on, and in comparison what an absolute monster it is, a credit to the team of supremely skilled engineers and investor with the confidence to shell-out.
So - what would you do? Specifically - for a V8(?) powered Vantage S+, a new halo V12 model and the Rapide.
After a clinically good lambo got a bit of a slating on top gear what is the ultimate sports / supercar these days, lap time fast or showboat and emotions??
An Aston for the road appears to be all about graceful looks and brand image, the engine simply complements those attributes (although sometimes falls a little short). With those thoughts in mind I would let the marketing types figure that one out whilst I head for the track. My dream would be to put a V8 screamer P1 at Nurburgring 24hrs.
And of course, twin turbo V12 for the road would be the petrol heads dream. If Lambo have gone from pantomime to clinical surely there is room for Aston to go 'pantomime' - imagine a twin turbo Vanquish - just about my idea of heaven... That would be a one-off project I would happily undertake..!
What say ye, playing fantasy aston creating what would it be??
petesv8v said:
Hi Mike I have a question regarding air intake issues which have been identified as a 'weakness'by a number of parties including of course AM themselves. Does the dyno plot for the standard 4.3V8V with full BR exhaust include any induction changes as it is not mentioned nor priced.
If the plot excludes the induction changes by how much would you expect the figures to improve if fitted as well or on its own and also what is the cost of your kit to improve the breathing.
Many thanks for your information.
Hi.If the plot excludes the induction changes by how much would you expect the figures to improve if fitted as well or on its own and also what is the cost of your kit to improve the breathing.
Many thanks for your information.
For those without AM power upgrade kit, whilst the car is in for the exhaust system the Bamford Rose version of AM power flaps would be fitted together with sports air filters and is included in the price.
It now becomes quite apparent what the true power increase is with the detailed components on offer here when compared with what 'others' offer and the optimistic power increases claimed for much less hardware.
When this kit is applied to a totally standard 4.3 the transformation will be thrilling, when added to modifications already done the kit will add the icing on the cake. And when added to a 4.7, as in the case with pommehogster project - fire breathing dragon...
BamfordMike said:
And of course, twin turbo V12 for the road would be the petrol heads dream. If Lambo have gone from pantomime to clinical surely there is room for Aston to go 'pantomime' - imagine a twin turbo Vanquish - just about my idea of heaven... That would be a one-off project I would happily undertake..!
What say ye, playing fantasy aston creating what would it be??
I'm not sure I'd fancy a Vanquish - cabin looks too old fashioned for me...What say ye, playing fantasy aston creating what would it be??
I'd just like to monster my Vantage V12. But I really could not imagine you could fir two turbos and a pair of intercoolers and associated gubbins under the bonnet of the Vantage. Then you'd presumably have to fit a new gearbox since the Graziano unit could not handle the torque. And a new clutch.
Instead I think I'd just go for a naturally aspirated engine but improve the components, maybe take it to 7.3 litres. Then again, that would require a new gearbox. And none of this is cheap!
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