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SFO said:
hornbaek said:
but at STG 160k the V12VS '16 is not competitively priced and that is even before the brand enhancing small bits and pieces are extra.
RRP before OTR costs for Coupe is £140,495.I don't know anything about price comparisons with competitors, but going back to my earlier comment about the 2009 V12V price, ( in today's money £165,000 ), then £140,000 looks quite reasonable.
This is true but only as much as the fact that the competition is doing that to new models and not 10 year old one's on their swansong tour. There it is normally the opposite that you throw everything at it at a competitive price (GTS as an example) but at STG 160k the V12VS '16 is not competitively priced and that is even before the brand enhancing small bits and pieces are extra.
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I guess the difference here is that AML has just got a 2-3 year queue for building DB11s, still has to complete GT8s, Vanquish Zagatos, and Zagato Volante's. They don't really need to do much of a bargain basement approach (its all relative!) to build a pipeline of Vantage orders ahead of replacement in 12 months.
RobDown said:
I guess the difference here is that AML has just got a 2-3 year queue for building DB11s, still has to complete GT8s, Vanquish Zagatos, and Zagato Volante's. They don't really need to do much of a bargain basement approach (its all relative!) to build a pipeline of Vantage orders ahead of replacement in 12 months.
I hear what you're saying but not sure I agree. Remember that there's a whole production line and tooling in Gaydon for the Vantage, one which they simply cannot afford to let dry up (for want of a better term). We may be having a totally different conversation in 3-5 years time, but as of today I think AML are still very keen to keep those Vantage orders coming.Not sure if anyone has noticed, but for anyone in the market for a V8 (not a V8S) that may be languishing in a showroom, if you take out AML finance (even for a very short period and pay it off), they will give assistance of £14,400 towards the car, and this is in addition to any discount you negotiate with the dealer. Not sure if similar will happen with V8S and V12S this time next year, but either way that's not too shabby !!
AMDBSVNick said:
qwick69 said:
All this negative talk is putting me off getting one. Never had a vantage before so cannot really comment on what is now "missing". However, the one I drove seemed of much higher quality to that of my DBS.
Genuine question, in what way?Don't be put off buying one, even if it still has plastic switches!!
I guess the difference here is that AML has just got a 2-3 year queue for building DB11s, still has to complete GT8s, Vanquish Zagatos, and Zagato Volante's. They don't really need to do much of a bargain basement approach (its all relative!) to build a pipeline of Vantage orders ahead of replacement in 12 months.
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What could be more profitable than to sell a lot of V12V where the development costs have been
written off over the last 10 years - not much and certainly not DB11 that will struggle to be profitable for AML due to currency moving against them with 50% of the value added happening abroad (still better than most competitors though).
Have a nice week end folks.
BigScotty said:
with another set of std mesh bonnet luvres
BigScotty said:
That looks the same colour/spec as the one that they had at Bristol a couple of months back - at the time Aston were saying they would only be made to customer order!IanV12VR said:
That looks the same colour/spec as the one that they had at Bristol a couple of months back - at the time Aston were saying they would only be made to customer order!
That's not quite right - they always said that every dealer would get one car regardless of orders or not. Second and subsequent cars would only be allocated on proof of sale of the first and an order for a second, with the possibility of a third on the same basis.Edited by AdamV12V on Saturday 5th November 07:42
AdamV12V said:
That's not quite right - they always said that every dealer would get one car regardless of orders or not. Second and subsequent cars would only be allocated on proof of sale of the first and an order for a second, with the possibility of a third on the same basis.
That's the same as I heard Adam, although the sceptic in me says that as the guillotine gets ever closer for the Vantage I can see those "rules" getting relaxed a bit. We all know it's probably easier to sell a piece of metal in front of you than to hook somebody into a 5 month order process. I wish it wasn't the case, i'm just saying I can see it happening.Edited by AdamV12V on Saturday 5th November 07:42
RobDown said:
Surely more likely to be built as SS though Ry? Demand for manuals is much lower than the autos and I would have thought doubly so for someone turning up on a spur of the moment thing rather then prepared to think about it and order what they really want?
You could well be right to be fair, but I can still see some dealers taking a punt and ordering some M cars if they can next year. Remember though not everyone wants paddles. My dad looked at me like I'd lost it when I originally bought a SS1 V8R, and I don't think his views have changed much in the years 
Big Ry said:
RobDown said:
Surely more likely to be built as SS though Ry? Demand for manuals is much lower than the autos and I would have thought doubly so for someone turning up on a spur of the moment thing rather then prepared to think about it and order what they really want?
My dad looked at me like I'd lost it when I originally bought a SS1 V8R, and I don't think his views have changed much in the years 
AdamV12V said:
That's not quite right - they always said that every dealer would get one car regardless of orders or not. Second and subsequent cars would only be allocated on proof of sale of the first and an order for a second, with the possibility of a third on the same basis.
That isn't what I was told originally Adam when I was trying to work out whether there would be more V12VSR manuals than the original V12VR. Still, if you are right then there is a good chance there will be. What are there 20odd UK dealers and if they take one into stock plus a customer order then more S manuals. Now I feel better Edited by AdamV12V on Saturday 5th November 07:42
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