F-Type: Well, Now I've Seen Everything...

F-Type: Well, Now I've Seen Everything...

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mikey k

13,012 posts

217 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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pb1695 said:
George29 said:
I'd say none of those are really rivals. More like the Boxster, SLK AMG, TT-RS etc.
You say "to may to" I say "to mah to"
hehe the most sense anyone has made out of George's posts in a long time wink

pb1695

390 posts

177 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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George29 said:
Not really the same, they're a class below the 911, R8 etc that you listed.
Have you driven one?

Price wise it is less than a 911 / R8 / V8V etc. but more than the TT, Boxster, Z4.

Ability wise it is up with the 911 / R8/ V8V, but much better than a TT / Z4 etc, the Boxster is a bit of a revelation in this class, it is exceptionally good and I would say the F Type is more fun, the Boxster more precise. So depending on what you want it is horses for courses.

On our last road trip - 200 miles to Whitby, across the Dales and Moors , the drivers scores for which cars they enjoyed the most on the day were:

1st - Ferrari 458
2nd (joint)- McLaren & F Type
3rd - R8 V10
4th - Lamborghini Superleggera
5th - Aston Vanquish.

Definitely up with the best!

George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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pb1695 said:
Have you driven one?
Not yet.

I'm sure they are good, all the reviews seem to be positive.

I just think, on paper at least, it could have been much better. Seems confused as to what it is. A GT trying to be a sports car.

john ryan

494 posts

133 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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'Did everyone miss my post? The V8 block with two cylinders 'blanked in', was a prototype/pre production model, the production F Type V6, has a proper V6.'

The prototype would have had two cylinders machined off, with the holes to the crankcase blanked - the production version is the same configuration (eight cylinder crankcase spacing with only six cylinder bores)but with a properly designed closed crankcase - ie without blanking plates.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Greenslade said:
Wasn't the XJ220 engine a V8 with 2 cylinders lopped off ? Nothing new going on then really. Maybe they will go one step further and bring out an economy V4.
Nope, but it's a common misunderstanding and urban myth. wink

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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michael gould said:
Let's face it ....nobody wants to go to the school reunion and have to admit they drive a Jag ! It's almost as bad as asking for a pint of larger with a black current top
Wow you must be really shallow.

pb1695

390 posts

177 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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john ryan said:
'Did everyone miss my post? The V8 block with two cylinders 'blanked in', was a prototype/pre production model, the production F Type V6, has a proper V6.'

The prototype would have had two cylinders machined off, with the holes to the crankcase blanked - the production version is the same configuration (eight cylinder crankcase spacing with only six cylinder bores)but with a properly designed closed crankcase - ie without blanking plates.
John, I can now categorically confirm you are correct.

The engine block for the V6 is produced on the same line and using a similar cast, however, it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8.

So this thread can now be closed, the potential purchasers that had decided against an F Type due to their fear of it being a cut down V8 can now go ahead and place their orders instead of a V8V, and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.

Thank you all, I am now going back to work and continue my search for a lovely used LR Defender TD5!

George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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pb1695 said:
...and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.
I will report back when I go and try one next year, but i don't think the V6S will come close to a TT-RS. They are absolutely rapid little cars, with a gearbox that should be in the Jag (and also with the correct number of ratios!).

Good luck with the Defender search, I agree that they are fantastic biggrin

Jon39

12,895 posts

144 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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George29 said:
... I don't think the V6S will come close to a TT-RS. They are absolutely rapid little cars, with a gearbox that should be in the Jag (and also with the correct number of ratios!).
I usually see Audi TTs being driven by ladies, George. -> smile


NomduJour

19,173 posts

260 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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pb1695 said:
it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8
It's still odd, surely can't be much cheaper to make it this way - pause about seven seconds in before the heads go on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIOnUgEZsgQ



George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Jon39 said:
I usually see Audi TTs being driven by ladies, George. -> smile

I wouldn't drive a normal one, but the RS is a very good car. I'd have one over the F Type/Boxster etc.

DB9VolanteDriver

Original Poster:

2,614 posts

177 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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pb1695 said:
John, I can now categorically confirm you are correct.

The engine block for the V6 is produced on the same line and using a similar cast, however, it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8.

So this thread can now be closed, the potential purchasers that had decided against an F Type due to their fear of it being a cut down V8 can now go ahead and place their orders instead of a V8V, and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.

Thank you all, I am now going back to work and continue my search for a lovely used LR Defender TD5!
Regardless whether or not the back two cylinders are cast in place or not, the block is still V8-length, as is the crank. That is the problem, not whether there are blanking plates over empty bores or that the bores don't exist, as such. Take a look at the video posted above. A V6 engine built upon a V8 length block. Very bad...

You want to disprove this? Then please post photos of the V6 and V8 motors showing that the V6 is indeed shorter than the V8. Until then, I'll believe my eyes.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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DB9VolanteDriver said:
pb1695 said:
John, I can now categorically confirm you are correct.

The engine block for the V6 is produced on the same line and using a similar cast, however, it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8.

So this thread can now be closed, the potential purchasers that had decided against an F Type due to their fear of it being a cut down V8 can now go ahead and place their orders instead of a V8V, and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.

Thank you all, I am now going back to work and continue my search for a lovely used LR Defender TD5!
Regardless whether or not the back two cylinders are cast in place or not, the block is still V8-length, as is the crank. That is the problem, not whether there are blanking plates over empty bores or that the bores don't exist, as such. Take a look at the video posted above. A V6 engine built upon a V8 length block. Very bad...

You want to disprove this? Then please post photos of the V6 and V8 motors showing that the V6 is indeed shorter than the V8. Until then, I'll believe my eyes.
What exactly is very bad? Can you site some of these things as actual examples...

john ryan

494 posts

133 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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I'll sign off by repeating that this design is a compromise to get a V6 into production quickly. Like all engineering it is compromised by budget and resources - but it certainly is not bad per se. I'm sure the vehicle is fine and up to expected standards of handling and performance. Sales volumes will prove that JLR made the right decision to get a V6 quickly. I think they have done well since being cast adrift by Ford.

Quinny

15,814 posts

267 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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I suspect the reality is, many buyers, won't understand or care about the engineering compromises.... They just want to own a new Jag, and will probably never even lift the bonnet..smile


Now does anyone want to buy a proper V8 Vantagehehe

RichB

51,783 posts

285 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Quinny said:
I suspect the reality is, many buyers, won't understand or care about the engineering compromises.... They just want to own a new Jag, and will probably never even lift the bonnet..smile
And if they do it will no doubt be shrouded in black plastic . hehe

michael gould

5,691 posts

242 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
michael gould said:
Let's face it ....nobody wants to go to the school reunion and have to admit they drive a Jag ! It's almost as bad as asking for a pint of larger with a black current top
Wow you must be really shallow.
Yes I am........but unlike some people I'm also very honest !

Jags are a bit like Skoda's .....we all know that Skoda make great cars now .....but I still don't want one......and we all know that It's no longer compulsory to wear a sheepskin coat whilst driving a Jag.....but you probably still feel you should be

Maybe one day I will get over my Jag phobia.

avinalarf

6,438 posts

143 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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michael gould said:
300bhp/ton said:
michael gould said:
Let's face it ....nobody wants to go to the school reunion and have to admit they drive a Jag ! It's almost as bad as asking for a pint of larger with a black current top
Wow you must be really shallow.
Yes I am........but unlike some people I'm also very honest !

Jags are a bit like Skoda's .....we all know that Skoda make great cars now .....but I still don't want one......and we all know that It's no longer compulsory to wear a sheepskin coat whilst driving a Jag.....but you probably still feel you should be

Maybe one day I will get over my Jag phobia.
Stay as you are Michael,just keep shagging my Ladyboys.

divetheworld

2,565 posts

136 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Quinny said:
I suspect the reality is, many buyers, won't understand or care about the engineering compromises.... They just want to own a new Jag, and will probably never even lift the bonnet..smile


Now does anyone want to buy a proper V8 Vantagehehe
Most people just end up playing internet forum versions of top trumps.

I like the Jag, its a feather in the cap of British industry and we should support the achievement.

The fact its not your/my/her/his cup of tea is irrelevant. I prefer my Aston for so many reasons and there are faster/better equipped cars. It doesn't matter, it makes me unbelievably happy to own and drive it. And that is the essence of cars like these, they are not practical cars where you can compare boot volumes and the ability to remove baby sick from upholstery.
The choice of exotic sports car is an emotional one. And since when can anyone say which is a better choice for me?

If you like the Jag, I'm happy for you and encourage you to buy it and be proud.

SeanCW

109 posts

208 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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I doubt the Jaguar Phobia is the only issue to overcome - your posts give away a lot !

Jaguar used a V6 in various formats in the past - I thought that like the Aston V12 that it was originally a Ford V6 design (Does two stuck together not count as an engineering compromise ?)

Oh isn't the Vantage V8 a version of the Jaguar V8 too.

Is the F type V6 a new one, exclusive to Jaguar then.

The anti Jag sentiment makes me laugh. Its a bit like slagging off the bloke that donated various organs that saved your dads life.

Yes the Jag is not in the Aston league in terms of badge. However it makes cars that perform to a similar level, win customers surveys, can be used everyday and can be serviced for circa £250 - £400.

I celebrate a British car that should generate exports and employment.

SCW