F-Type: Well, Now I've Seen Everything...
Discussion
George29 said:
Not really the same, they're a class below the 911, R8 etc that you listed.
Have you driven one? Price wise it is less than a 911 / R8 / V8V etc. but more than the TT, Boxster, Z4.
Ability wise it is up with the 911 / R8/ V8V, but much better than a TT / Z4 etc, the Boxster is a bit of a revelation in this class, it is exceptionally good and I would say the F Type is more fun, the Boxster more precise. So depending on what you want it is horses for courses.
On our last road trip - 200 miles to Whitby, across the Dales and Moors , the drivers scores for which cars they enjoyed the most on the day were:
1st - Ferrari 458
2nd (joint)- McLaren & F Type
3rd - R8 V10
4th - Lamborghini Superleggera
5th - Aston Vanquish.
Definitely up with the best!
'Did everyone miss my post? The V8 block with two cylinders 'blanked in', was a prototype/pre production model, the production F Type V6, has a proper V6.'
The prototype would have had two cylinders machined off, with the holes to the crankcase blanked - the production version is the same configuration (eight cylinder crankcase spacing with only six cylinder bores)but with a properly designed closed crankcase - ie without blanking plates.
The prototype would have had two cylinders machined off, with the holes to the crankcase blanked - the production version is the same configuration (eight cylinder crankcase spacing with only six cylinder bores)but with a properly designed closed crankcase - ie without blanking plates.
john ryan said:
'Did everyone miss my post? The V8 block with two cylinders 'blanked in', was a prototype/pre production model, the production F Type V6, has a proper V6.'
The prototype would have had two cylinders machined off, with the holes to the crankcase blanked - the production version is the same configuration (eight cylinder crankcase spacing with only six cylinder bores)but with a properly designed closed crankcase - ie without blanking plates.
John, I can now categorically confirm you are correct. The prototype would have had two cylinders machined off, with the holes to the crankcase blanked - the production version is the same configuration (eight cylinder crankcase spacing with only six cylinder bores)but with a properly designed closed crankcase - ie without blanking plates.
The engine block for the V6 is produced on the same line and using a similar cast, however, it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8.
So this thread can now be closed, the potential purchasers that had decided against an F Type due to their fear of it being a cut down V8 can now go ahead and place their orders instead of a V8V, and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.
Thank you all, I am now going back to work and continue my search for a lovely used LR Defender TD5!
pb1695 said:
...and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.
I will report back when I go and try one next year, but i don't think the V6S will come close to a TT-RS. They are absolutely rapid little cars, with a gearbox that should be in the Jag (and also with the correct number of ratios!). Good luck with the Defender search, I agree that they are fantastic
pb1695 said:
it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8
It's still odd, surely can't be much cheaper to make it this way - pause about seven seconds in before the heads go on:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIOnUgEZsgQ
pb1695 said:
John, I can now categorically confirm you are correct.
The engine block for the V6 is produced on the same line and using a similar cast, however, it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8.
So this thread can now be closed, the potential purchasers that had decided against an F Type due to their fear of it being a cut down V8 can now go ahead and place their orders instead of a V8V, and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.
Thank you all, I am now going back to work and continue my search for a lovely used LR Defender TD5!
Regardless whether or not the back two cylinders are cast in place or not, the block is still V8-length, as is the crank. That is the problem, not whether there are blanking plates over empty bores or that the bores don't exist, as such. Take a look at the video posted above. A V6 engine built upon a V8 length block. Very bad...The engine block for the V6 is produced on the same line and using a similar cast, however, it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8.
So this thread can now be closed, the potential purchasers that had decided against an F Type due to their fear of it being a cut down V8 can now go ahead and place their orders instead of a V8V, and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.
Thank you all, I am now going back to work and continue my search for a lovely used LR Defender TD5!
You want to disprove this? Then please post photos of the V6 and V8 motors showing that the V6 is indeed shorter than the V8. Until then, I'll believe my eyes.
DB9VolanteDriver said:
pb1695 said:
John, I can now categorically confirm you are correct.
The engine block for the V6 is produced on the same line and using a similar cast, however, it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8.
So this thread can now be closed, the potential purchasers that had decided against an F Type due to their fear of it being a cut down V8 can now go ahead and place their orders instead of a V8V, and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.
Thank you all, I am now going back to work and continue my search for a lovely used LR Defender TD5!
Regardless whether or not the back two cylinders are cast in place or not, the block is still V8-length, as is the crank. That is the problem, not whether there are blanking plates over empty bores or that the bores don't exist, as such. Take a look at the video posted above. A V6 engine built upon a V8 length block. Very bad...The engine block for the V6 is produced on the same line and using a similar cast, however, it is cast as a 6 cylinder block and not an 8.
So this thread can now be closed, the potential purchasers that had decided against an F Type due to their fear of it being a cut down V8 can now go ahead and place their orders instead of a V8V, and George can go ahead and have a test drive safe in the knowledge that the car is now significantly better than he had anticipated and certainly better than a TT.
Thank you all, I am now going back to work and continue my search for a lovely used LR Defender TD5!
You want to disprove this? Then please post photos of the V6 and V8 motors showing that the V6 is indeed shorter than the V8. Until then, I'll believe my eyes.
I'll sign off by repeating that this design is a compromise to get a V6 into production quickly. Like all engineering it is compromised by budget and resources - but it certainly is not bad per se. I'm sure the vehicle is fine and up to expected standards of handling and performance. Sales volumes will prove that JLR made the right decision to get a V6 quickly. I think they have done well since being cast adrift by Ford.
300bhp/ton said:
michael gould said:
Let's face it ....nobody wants to go to the school reunion and have to admit they drive a Jag ! It's almost as bad as asking for a pint of larger with a black current top
Wow you must be really shallow.Jags are a bit like Skoda's .....we all know that Skoda make great cars now .....but I still don't want one......and we all know that It's no longer compulsory to wear a sheepskin coat whilst driving a Jag.....but you probably still feel you should be
Maybe one day I will get over my Jag phobia.
michael gould said:
300bhp/ton said:
michael gould said:
Let's face it ....nobody wants to go to the school reunion and have to admit they drive a Jag ! It's almost as bad as asking for a pint of larger with a black current top
Wow you must be really shallow.Jags are a bit like Skoda's .....we all know that Skoda make great cars now .....but I still don't want one......and we all know that It's no longer compulsory to wear a sheepskin coat whilst driving a Jag.....but you probably still feel you should be
Maybe one day I will get over my Jag phobia.
Quinny said:
I suspect the reality is, many buyers, won't understand or care about the engineering compromises.... They just want to own a new Jag, and will probably never even lift the bonnet..
Now does anyone want to buy a proper V8 Vantage
Most people just end up playing internet forum versions of top trumps. Now does anyone want to buy a proper V8 Vantage
I like the Jag, its a feather in the cap of British industry and we should support the achievement.
The fact its not your/my/her/his cup of tea is irrelevant. I prefer my Aston for so many reasons and there are faster/better equipped cars. It doesn't matter, it makes me unbelievably happy to own and drive it. And that is the essence of cars like these, they are not practical cars where you can compare boot volumes and the ability to remove baby sick from upholstery.
The choice of exotic sports car is an emotional one. And since when can anyone say which is a better choice for me?
If you like the Jag, I'm happy for you and encourage you to buy it and be proud.
I doubt the Jaguar Phobia is the only issue to overcome - your posts give away a lot !
Jaguar used a V6 in various formats in the past - I thought that like the Aston V12 that it was originally a Ford V6 design (Does two stuck together not count as an engineering compromise ?)
Oh isn't the Vantage V8 a version of the Jaguar V8 too.
Is the F type V6 a new one, exclusive to Jaguar then.
The anti Jag sentiment makes me laugh. Its a bit like slagging off the bloke that donated various organs that saved your dads life.
Yes the Jag is not in the Aston league in terms of badge. However it makes cars that perform to a similar level, win customers surveys, can be used everyday and can be serviced for circa £250 - £400.
I celebrate a British car that should generate exports and employment.
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Jaguar used a V6 in various formats in the past - I thought that like the Aston V12 that it was originally a Ford V6 design (Does two stuck together not count as an engineering compromise ?)
Oh isn't the Vantage V8 a version of the Jaguar V8 too.
Is the F type V6 a new one, exclusive to Jaguar then.
The anti Jag sentiment makes me laugh. Its a bit like slagging off the bloke that donated various organs that saved your dads life.
Yes the Jag is not in the Aston league in terms of badge. However it makes cars that perform to a similar level, win customers surveys, can be used everyday and can be serviced for circa £250 - £400.
I celebrate a British car that should generate exports and employment.
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