Litchfield Type -25.

[Obi Wan]

wadeski said:

if you want more occaision, why not a Skyline GTR....and 450bhp or so?

or do you subscribe to the PH "Skylines are for Chavs" theory?

Edited by wadeski on Sunday 21st January 20:29

That black skyline

[dotdog]

Obi Wan said:

dotdog said:

There was one other time on a b road when two lads in a souped up nova, i kid you not, pretty well kept up with me! it really pissed me off! good driving eanbled that.

A soupued Nova driven by a young lad kept up with your Nobel and their driving was pretty good what were you playing at

Edited by Obi Wan on Wednesday 24th January 17:49

i know, sounds daft doesn't it.. but it was a road i didnt know and one they obviously did.. and i've reached an age where saftey is priority, and i was thinking of theirs as well as mine..

[Obi Wan]

dotdog said:

Obi Wan said:

dotdog said:

There was one other time on a b road when two lads in a souped up nova, i kid you not, pretty well kept up with me! it really pissed me off! good driving eanbled that.

A soupued Nova driven by a young lad kept up with your Nobel and their driving was pretty good what were you playing at

Edited by Obi Wan on Wednesday 24th January 17:49

i know, sounds daft doesn't it.. but it was a road i didnt know and one they obviously did.. and i've reached an age where saftey is priority, and i was thinking of theirs as well as mine..

Well when you put like that....I can understand.

[scoobiewrx]

The noble is a beautiful and elegant sportscar no doubt and PDQ, my partner Hazel loves them.....however.....A lightweight Scooby that's been taken apart, lovingly put back together again with nicer interior, sorted chassis and fully adjustable suspension (from inside the car), and an engine that has been heavily breathed upon by Cosworth has got to be given some serious consideration. For a fully loaded example with the big brakes, leather interior and nice wheels i calculated £44K.

That is not a lot of money for a car you can use every single day to lug your bits and the family around if need be, with bullet-proof reliability, and driveability in any weather. With 0-60mph in 3.7 secs and 175mph top end ( higher gearing if required. my god, how fast will it go then!!) i would say there is nothing comparable (even an RS4) for the money with that kind of supercar munching performance and utter practicality. And you get an out of the box ready track day car to boot with levels of grip that will rip your face off!!

Go on buy one.....you know you want to!! I know i do

[sjc]

Bloody Hell thats a great advert for it! One little problem is as you say a "full house" Type-25 is £44K and for that you can get a 1 year old RS4. I might be willing to sacrifice a teeny bit of outright performance then for a better place to sit, more obviuos resale etc? The demo they had has been sold and I was hoping to save a few quid by having that so it's going to have to be a new one if at all.
The decision is so tight between the Type-25 and another noble it might simply come down to whatever deal I can strike.

[sjc]

Gazboy said:

£45k on an Impreza? I couldn't do it.

I assume you haven't driven it? It's astonishing, like nothing I've driven before and in A-Line spec looks just like the cooking family version, totally stealth.

Gazboy said:

What is it that you don't like about the R34GTR btw?

Unforunately, the styling, the old interior,the image just not me at all, until the Litchfield I had no interest in any Jap 4 wheel thingies.

Gazboy said:

The 996TT or C4S or mk1 GT3 could be contenders also? What about an M3 CLS? New Corvette? NSX? Monaro VXR500?

996TT image,styling,interior,found it boring to drive (albeit quick), don't like big bills.
C4S As above but without the (albeit quick) bit!
Can't bring myself to even think about a BMW and although the CSL is apparently great it's a 2 pedal car which is a no-no for me.
Corvette, LHD only and look at my penis.
NSX, are now we're talking,had a long chat with Chiswick Honda (had 2 CRX's in the 80's/90's),but, interior very dated, can't switch passenger airbag off for car seat, and I'm gonna find it a bit slow.........lovely though.
VXR500.I had one of the first HSV GTS-Rs brought over in 2001 (410BHP) and it was the best car I ever owned (had it 4 years) It's just been sold in the classifieds again by the present owner. I've driven 9/10 Monaro's and TBH there's something that doesn't quite click after the HSV. They feel much heavier and the rack is slower and having driven the VXR500 to me , it felt a bit crude after driving an RS4.Oh and the supercharger whine got on my nerves and it didn't feel anywhere near 500BHP quick. a standard new VXR 6litre at £26K now though is a good car for cracking money.

Gazboy said:

£45k throws up a hell of a lot of options.

It does! Also out of the equation is the Gransport, nearly as disappointing as the std 4200 and it's 2 pedals again. Sl55AMG 2 pedals,Paramount XKR 2 pedals.
If I was into borrowing money for cars I'd get the V8 Aston, no question........but I'm not!

No offence to any owners of the above cars, only my experience/ opinions.
So it's Type -25, 3R or RS4. Nope I'm not paying near list for a 1 year old car so it's still the Type-25 or the Noble.!






Bugga why didn't that come out in individual quotes, now it looks a bloody mess!

Edited by sjc on Saturday 27th January 17:08

Formatting fixed by Gaz.

Edited by Gazboy on Saturday 27th January 18:55

[peterpeter]

Gazboy said:

£45k on an Impreza? I couldn't do it.

What is it that you don't like about the R34GTR btw?

The 996TT or C4S or mk1 GT3 could be contenders also? What about an M3 CLS? New Corvette? NSX? Monaro VXR500?

£45k throws up a hell of a lot of options.

Edited by Gazboy on Saturday 27th January 16:29

thing is that impreza is faster in a straight line and around a track than all of them. (even the 996TT)

Also, it depends on whether its your 1st or second car.

Im thinking about one as my daily driver and occasional track car, with the gt3 as a track and weekend car.

[sjc]

Peterpeter, replied to your mail the other day, did you get it?

[Pierscoe1]

did a quick search from the PH classifieds : £35k - £48k

some of the goodies available:

GT2 bodied Turbo4
www.pistonheads.com/sales/105944.htm

Mk2 GT3
www.pistonheads.com/sales/127220.htm

355!!!
www.pistonheads.com/sales/95473.htm

Sagaris
www.pistonheads.com/sales/118632.htm

Diablo !!!
www.pistonheads.com/sales/119676.htm

Ultima
www.pistonheads.com/sales/121945.htm

Corvette (it's really nice looking.. just be secure in your manhood!)
www.pistonheads.com/sales/117211.htm

NSX - Yum
www.pistonheads.com/sales/126405.htm

loads of lovely machines.... (and a million and one range-rover things.. why oh why would anyone spend £40k on a rangerover when you could have any of the above!??!!?? )

and one for the REALLY tasteless:
www.pistonheads.com/sales/116756.htm

[peterpeter]

sjc said:

Peterpeter, replied to your mail the other day, did you get it?

just checked it now.

Ill mail you back tonight.

[peterpeter]

what you you chaps think about this..?

Litchfield Spec C GP Edition

Spec C engine tuned to 355bhp / 350lbft
3" Milltek stainless Steel exhaust with 100cell Sports CAT
Upgraded boost control solenoid
Unique GP Edition ECU Calibration
Up rated intake filter
Race 3-way adjustable AST suspension
Up rated front and rear sway (anti-roll) bars
Anti lift and caster kit
Porsche 6-pot callipers
355mm grooved AP discs
Padgid Endurance brake pads
AP Race brake fluid
Unique PowerStation alignment and set up
18" lightweight "Flow-formed" Speedline Alloys in Anthracite
235/40/18 Dunlop DO2 Or Pirelli P-Zero Corsa Road legal motor-sport tyres
Unique GP Edition badges


I spoke to one of the sales chaps at Litchfield a few weeks back and he was actually trying to convince me to buy one instead of the type 25.

its 10k less than an equivalently specced type 25.

and he said it mullered everything of equivalent value at the Tuner GP recently including every Evo derivative there.

[scoobiewrx]

I think the type 25 is one of those cars that will always be in demand to the very discerning buuyer. It is as rare as rocking horse droppings and will always be so. Much rarer than anything else you can get for the money. I wouldn't look at it as an Impreza either.

If Subaru were really smart they would have thought of making something along the lines of the Litchfield before Litchfield did, and to be fair you have never ever driven an Impreza that drives anything like or is as well sorted as the Litchfield.

As soon as i have the cash together i will buy one and i haven't even test driven one yet....but i know it's that good i would pay for it before i test drove. I would like a bit more BHP out of it as well so there must be some extra tweakes they can do. I would have said 500 very relaible BHP was available, and probably a bit more!!

The smart money is on the Litchfield and i doubt it will depreciate that much, and in fact i feel it would be a good investment!!!

[sjc]

scoobiewrx said:

I think the type 25 is one of those cars that will always be in demand to the very discerning buuyer. It is as rare as rocking horse droppings and will always be so. Much rarer than anything else you can get for the money. I wouldn't look at it as an Impreza either.

If Subaru were really smart they would have thought of making something along the lines of the Litchfield before Litchfield did, and to be fair you have never ever driven an Impreza that drives anything like or is as well sorted as the Litchfield.

As soon as i have the cash together i will buy one and i haven't even test driven one yet....but i know it's that good i would pay for it before i test drove. I would like a bit more BHP out of it as well so there must be some extra tweakes they can do. I would have said 500 very relaible BHP was available, and probably a bit more!!

The smart money is on the Litchfield and i doubt it will depreciate that much, and in fact i feel it would be a good investment!!!

At last! someone who "gets it". It's nothing like an Impreza, and rarer than any of the other cars mentioned. Thats why most people buying them already have hyper/supercars etc.
Gazboy:-The GT3 mentioned is lovely but its an 8 year old Porsche with big bills on the horizon against a brand new car, I hate big bills (been lucky so far) and I'd get a 550 if I wanted an older car anyway.I've done a LOT of homework on how these things depreciate and I'm not as scared as I was, see previous post for examples, and for more power there is an intercooler mod to 450BHP, (£1500 + vat).Thats the last thing it needs though!

Peterpeter, don't know too much about the GP tuner edition other than they were built for the Tuner Gp success and they had one on their website at £34995 that sold.

[vixpy1]

Nope.. sorry, still could'nt spend 45K on an Impreza.

[sjc]

sjc said:

Gazboy said:

£45k on an Impreza? I couldn't do it.

I assume you haven't driven it? It's astonishing, like nothing I've driven before and in A-Line spec looks just like the cooking family version, totally stealth.

Gazboy said:

What is it that you don't like about the R34GTR btw?

Unforunately, the styling, the old interior,the image just not me at all, until the Litchfield I had no interest in any Jap 4 wheel thingies.

Gazboy said:

The 996TT or C4S or mk1 GT3 could be contenders also? What about an M3 CLS? New Corvette? NSX? Monaro VXR500?

996TT image,styling,interior,found it boring to drive (albeit quick), don't like big bills.
C4S As above but without the (albeit quick) bit!
Can't bring myself to even think about a BMW and although the CSL is apparently great it's a 2 pedal car which is a no-no for me.
Corvette, LHD only and look at my penis.
NSX, are now we're talking,had a long chat with Chiswick Honda (had 2 CRX's in the 80's/90's),but, interior very dated, can't switch passenger airbag off for car seat, and I'm gonna find it a bit slow.........lovely though.
VXR500.I had one of the first HSV GTS-Rs brought over in 2001 (410BHP) and it was the best car I ever owned (had it 4 years) It's just been sold in the classifieds again by the present owner. I've driven 9/10 Monaro's and TBH there's something that doesn't quite click after the HSV. They feel much heavier and the rack is slower and having driven the VXR500 to me , it felt a bit crude after driving an RS4.Oh and the supercharger whine got on my nerves and it didn't feel anywhere near 500BHP quick. a standard new VXR 6litre at £26K now though is a good car for cracking money.

Gazboy said:

£45k throws up a hell of a lot of options.

It does! Also out of the equation is the Gransport, nearly as disappointing as the std 4200 and it's 2 pedals again. Sl55AMG 2 pedals,Paramount XKR 2 pedals.
If I was into borrowing money for cars I'd get the V8 Aston, no question........but I'm not!

No offence to any owners of the above cars, only my experience/ opinions.
So it's Type -25, 3R or RS4. Nope I'm not paying near list for a 1 year old car so it's still the Type-25 or the Noble.

Edited by sjc on Saturday 27th January 17:08

Formatting fixed by Gaz.

Edited by Gazboy on Saturday 27th January 18:55

thanks Gaz!

[rallycross]

peterpeter said:

what you you chaps think about this..?

Litchfield Spec C GP Edition

Spec C engine tuned to 355bhp / 350lbft
3" Milltek stainless Steel exhaust with 100cell Sports CAT
Upgraded boost control solenoid
Unique GP Edition ECU Calibration
Up rated intake filter
Race 3-way adjustable AST suspension
Up rated front and rear sway (anti-roll) bars
Anti lift and caster kit
Porsche 6-pot callipers
355mm grooved AP discs
Padgid Endurance brake pads
AP Race brake fluid
Unique PowerStation alignment and set up
18" lightweight "Flow-formed" Speedline Alloys in Anthracite
235/40/18 Dunlop DO2 Or Pirelli P-Zero Corsa Road legal motor-sport tyres
Unique GP Edition badges


I spoke to one of the sales chaps at Litchfield a few weeks back and he was actually trying to convince me to buy one instead of the type 25.

its 10k less than an equivalently specced type 25.

and he said it mullered everything of equivalent value at the Tuner GP recently including every Evo derivative there.

A friend has one of these Spec C's from Litchfields with similar Spec to the above and it is the quickest and most fun thing I've ever driven, the preformance and handling are incredible. He's had his for almost 2 years / 25,000 miles and has never had a single problem with it, the only downside its its not very good for motorway trips due to noise and bumpy ride (even with the AST set up). The performance it has is so vast I cant see why you'd need any more power or where you could you even use it. Well worth considering one of these v's its big brother based on price.

[peterpeter]

it does look a better value car, because I would really want the porsche brakes, 18" wheels etc.. it looks like you are paying an extra 10k just for the cosworth engine work on the type 25.


having said that look at the type 25 times at bedford west.
Though the spec c gp edition was quicker around snetterton than the type 25


Evo Magazine Bedford West Circuit Lap times
McLaren F1 - 1:21.20
Ferrari Enzo - 1:21.30
Subaru Impreza Type-25 - 1:22.25
Lotus Exige S - 1:22.40
Ford GT - 1:22.75

Other Previous Times of note:
Koenigsegg CCX - 1:22.30
Lamborghini Gallardo MY06 - 1:22.80
Porsche 911 (997) Turbo - 1:23.55
Mitsubishi Evo IX FQ340 - 1:24.55
Audi RS4 - 1:28.25
BMW M3 CS - 1:29.80

[cyberface]

Only time I've ever seen a Litcho Type 25 was in Verbier last Feb. The owner had sensibly swapped the usual trackday stickies for winter tyres though

It looks utterly fantastic - I wouldn't spend £45k on one though... then again I'd consider anything starting with a 3... if you can get a decent second hand one at this price... this demand and limited supply should ensure you won't have a resale nightmare IMO.

I had a Noble as well and they are brilliant cars, but so impossibly impractical that I can see how yours became a garage queen. My current VX220T is a bit mini-Noble in character but has a small boot and is narrower, and is so much more practical that I'm using it a LOT.

What I mean by this is that the Noble's lack of usability will count against it, regardless of its speed and drama... whereas the Type-25 is such a practical car as-is that you stand the chance of using it *all* the time whenever you get to drive.

I'd forget the souped-up Spec C if it's got the 2 litre engine (which I think it has) - the Type 25 torque will make the car so much better to drive. I'd expect fuel economy to be worse on the Type 25 than the Noble though, and the Noble has pretty dire economy... purely due to weight

Go for the Litcho. Sounds ideal.

[sjc]

Cyber face you're on my wavelength! I can't bring myself to spend £40K on one,middle30's would be ideal, but the Cosworth Type -25 has only been out months so there are no secondhand ones around.They do it in Spec C and A-line ( my favourite)guise both have the 2.5. A standard jdm spec C has the 2 litre. At £40K it's a bit too close to 1 year old RS4 money.Still dithering!

[scoobiewrx]

There are loads of RS4's out there, common as muck , Litchfield Type25...Rare as welsh gold and a very exclusive wee club too.

I for one need to get the mid-life crisis sorted out once and for all so i will go for the full in your face (but without the tea-tray rear spoiler, carbon fibre Noble Type is nicer though), roof scoop nutty version.

Then when i get fed up with that i will get something nice and sensible like an Ariel Atom

Edited to add: How about a Murtaya with all the Litchfield running gear

Edited by scoobiewrx on Tuesday 30th January 23:29