which one?

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MilnerR

8,273 posts

260 months

Wednesday 6th June 2007
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DocJock said:
Don't get me wrong, I love my scoob but as standard they are 'quick' at best, not "uber-fast" and the standard car handles like an understeery bag-o-shite which happens to have loads of grip and traction.
Dial all the torgue to the back in mine and I can get the back out on a wet surface without too much problem. biggrin


I love both the evo and the scoob, if you're worried about petrol go for an Aygo.....

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

228 months

Wednesday 6th June 2007
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GravelBen said:
ScoobieWRX said:
P.S. Ben....I will be within a stones throw of NZ next week. I look forward to sampling that lovely tropical weather and views, both above and below the waterline wink
thumbup You do realise its winter here at the moment? hehe Or will you be a bit closer to the equator?


If you end up in the bottom half of NZ at any stage I can show some highly entertaining roads though wink
hehe I'll be in Fiji (Kadavu),Matava Resort, scooba diving. I hear the weather is very nice there now, not too hot and humid, 75F/80F. mild breezes and the water temp should be around 25C/26C. BULA!!! biggrin

GravelBen

15,741 posts

232 months

Wednesday 6th June 2007
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Sounds nice - we're supposed to get single figure temperatures and our first snowfall of the year tomorrow (and I have an exam in the afternoon!) but its been unusually warm so far this year - last year we had a dumping of snow in late April. Late May-early June is more normal for Dunedin though.

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

228 months

Wednesday 6th June 2007
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GravelBen said:
Sounds nice - we're supposed to get single figure temperatures and our first snowfall of the year tomorrow (and I have an exam in the afternoon!) but its been unusually warm so far this year - last year we had a dumping of snow in late April. Late May-early June is more normal for Dunedin though.
I don't even want to hear about any of that snow rubbish just now....i want SUN, and lots of it please!!! However, i will visit NZ sometime and sample the lush green countryside and fresh NZ Lamb. I'll pop by and see ya thumbup

D_G

1,834 posts

211 months

Wednesday 6th June 2007
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scoobieWRX said:
rock hard suspension that will knock your fillings out and break your back, servicing every 4,500 miles which is a pain in the arse and hard on your pocket, drive it on anything less than a smooth road and it will skip and jump about more than a frog on heat, and i have to say....not as nice looking as a Scooby thumbup
Hmmm,

Obviously scoobys do no wrong.....

Had an Evo 8 MR 300 and the Bilstein suspension was fine even on rough roads, handling/performance/brakes superb for road use. Find a good independant for servicing and it's not too bad and for the record the EVO is MUCH better looking than an impreza.
I've driven both and although the scooby is a nice car it feels lifeless compared to the EVO.
Depends if you want fast or fast and exciting.

Dave

Edited by D_G on Wednesday 6th June 22:19

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

228 months

Wednesday 6th June 2007
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D_G said:
scoobieWRX said:
rock hard suspension that will knock your fillings out and break your back, servicing every 4,500 miles which is a pain in the arse and hard on your pocket, drive it on anything less than a smooth road and it will skip and jump about more than a frog on heat, and i have to say....not as nice looking as a Scooby thumbup
Hmmm,

Obviously scoobys do no wrong.....

Had an Evo 8 MR 300 and the Bilstein suspension was fine even on rough roads, handling/performance/brakes superb for road use. Find a good independant for servicing and it's not too bad and for the record the EVO is MUCH better looking than an impreza.
I've driven both and although the scooby is a nice car it feels lifeless compared to the EVO.
Depends if you want fast or fast and exciting.

Dave

Edited by D_G on Wednesday 6th June 22:19
Each to their own, and Scoobys are by no means perfect. They have plenty of faults. I take exception though when you say they are lifeless, well far from it. I have driven both and for me the Scooby was the car i could live with everyday in terms of adequate performance and ride, but that didn't detract from the fact that as much as i love Scoobys i think the EVO is a fantastic car and better in some ways. However it's just not for me, for the reasons i pointed out. It's too hardcore all roound for my everyday liking, but as a track day tool, it's awesome.

Let me ask you a question though. If the scooby is such a lifeless car, and clearly by the way you come across, an inferior product to the EVO, why do Scoobys always come ahead of the miles behind EVO's in the WRC, Prod WRC and National/Local rally events?? wink

It must be because they are lifeless rolleyes

GravelBen

15,741 posts

232 months

Thursday 7th June 2007
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It also begs the question of why Subaru have come first in most countries car customer satisfaction surveys in the last few years - JD power, ADAC, AA, etc all ranked it top. Lifeless car = satisified customers, and also the highest proportion of repeat customers? I think not...

D_G

1,834 posts

211 months

Thursday 7th June 2007
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Not slagging the scooby guys, as I said they are great cars. I've had old and new scoobys and EVOs and I prefer the EVO as I think it gives a better driver experience.
I feel the scooby is too refined (like an M3), I prefer a more 'seat of pants' feel to my car, and the only reason I sold the 8 was it was going that way. As a performance saloon I still reckon it's better than the scooby but each to their own.

Dave
smile

chriz1

Original Poster:

674 posts

217 months

Thursday 7th June 2007
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cant ask that question why are scoobies ahead in rallying,thats a totally different ball game,

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

228 months

Thursday 7th June 2007
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chriz1 said:
cant ask that question why are scoobies ahead in rallying,thats a totally different ball game,
No it isn't...both cars compete head to head in the same rallys with the same restrictions, have the same power and are modded similarly. Both Subaru and Mitsubishi have been rallying for about the same amount of time (years) and have had excellent drivers throughout the years. So why are scoobys better in competition, and have higher reliability on the road.

Scoobies are better suited to rallying than EVO's although i think EVO's do much better on tarmac. However in the grand scheme of things i think Scoobys are the better all rounder on UK/European roads.

chriz1

Original Poster:

674 posts

217 months

Thursday 7th June 2007
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Im not talking about which is better at rallying im asking which is the better car for the road,
In any case if you go back to the days when Mitsubishi were rallying with Makinen look over at subaru then they were trying new technology and they had a spell of very poor results and retirments through reliability.Now its Citreon's turn to take the glory,in the WRC all cars are evenly matched but,its swings and roundabouts in this game.
Goes a lot on the drivers also when you get to this level.

MarfGTxx

22,907 posts

243 months

Thursday 7th June 2007
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Tell him to test drive both and go from there.

He'll surely prefer one over the other if he manages to organise a back to back test drive.

chriz1

Original Poster:

674 posts

217 months

Thursday 7th June 2007
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hes taking a fq300 out this sat then hopfully a sti uk monday

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

228 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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If he takes out an STi as well then it might be fair to try one with the PPP Prodrive upgrade for a fair comparison in terms of BHP.

chriz1

Original Poster:

674 posts

217 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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we shall keep that in mind
thanks.

MarfGTxx

22,907 posts

243 months

Monday 11th June 2007
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Sooooo whats the verdict?? smile