Why don't I like Japanese car styling?

Why don't I like Japanese car styling?

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Dingu

3,905 posts

32 months

Saturday 10th June 2023
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ingenieur said:
Why as the Toyota Crown got the front of two different cars on one car?
It doesn’t, you are just contrary

Unreal

3,657 posts

27 months

Sunday 11th June 2023
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ingenieur said:
TommoAE86 said:
It's purely personal preference, most people here don't like this Crown, however I find the "overstyled" nature really interesting coupled with it being properly Japanese I love it. Something different and interesting.


But then the 3 series competitor from the same year to me looks tragically dull, there's just nothing there and now BMW's are not in any way "ultimate" just further makes me fall asleep I mean what's interesting about it? Different lights and badge and it's any other Euro saloon.
Why as the Toyota Crown got the front of two different cars on one car?
Show us some designs that you like.

TommoAE86

2,679 posts

129 months

Monday 12th June 2023
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Unreal said:
Show us some designs that you like.
Don't feed the troll, he's like the other guy I mentioned in one of my previous posts.

ingenieur

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4,097 posts

183 months

Monday 12th June 2023
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TommoAE86 said:
Unreal said:
Show us some designs that you like.
Don't feed the troll, he's like the other guy I mentioned in one of my previous posts.
I doubt it.

And why is there any connection to trolling in highlighting the distinct differences between the flavours of Japanese car design and European car design?

1. there are differences
2. it's okay to point that out
3. it's okay to prefer one to the other

TikTak

1,587 posts

21 months

Monday 12th June 2023
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I guess it's a bit weird to completely disregard a whole nation covering multiple manufacturers. There are some awful looking cars out there but not sure I'd put it to one region.

I agree with the BMW comment, especially having lived in and around London most my life. BMW's in general are either super common and dull looking or just hideous (see;iX). That's not to say there aren't bad Japanese either (Toyota CHR, Nissan Juke spring to mind) but I quite like the Corolla tbh.

All subjective ain't it? nerd

TommoAE86

2,679 posts

129 months

Monday 12th June 2023
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ingenieur said:
I doubt it.

And why is there any connection to trolling in highlighting the distinct differences between the flavours of Japanese car design and European car design?

1. there are differences
2. it's okay to point that out
3. it's okay to prefer one to the other
You're not highlighting it, you're just belligerently telling us what you think is wrong with Japanese cars that are being posted. Your thread title is asking "why" you don't like them. Someone has already asked you to post a car or cars you think are good looking from Europe (or anywhere except Japan) and maybe it'll help with the why. If you don't want to do that and just keep going "that's ugly/wrong/awful", then troll...

ingenieur

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4,097 posts

183 months

Monday 12th June 2023
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TommoAE86 said:
ingenieur said:
I doubt it.

And why is there any connection to trolling in highlighting the distinct differences between the flavours of Japanese car design and European car design?

1. there are differences
2. it's okay to point that out
3. it's okay to prefer one to the other
You're not highlighting it, you're just belligerently telling us what you think is wrong with Japanese cars that are being posted. Your thread title is asking "why" you don't like them. Someone has already asked you to post a car or cars you think are good looking from Europe (or anywhere except Japan) and maybe it'll help with the why. If you don't want to do that and just keep going "that's ugly/wrong/awful", then troll...
Presumably the 'AE86' part of your username has significance in the context of a discussion about the pros and cons of Japanese car design?

I get the impression from the raging heat radiating out of your comments that I'm never going to make an argument you wouldn't strain every sinew to disprove. I acknowledge the fact that you're challenging me but I'm going to politely decline as I just can't be ar5ed having a debate like that with a mega fan. In the end you'll resort to personally attacking me and the whole thing will be a massive waste of time.

Jester86

441 posts

111 months

Monday 12th June 2023
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I don't really understand the point of this thread?

Yes Japanese car manufacturers seem to have very distinctive styles. But then that can be said for many regions. There are always examples of absolutely horrendous styling no matter what manufacturer or part of the world you scrutinise. For example, Italians don't always get it right.....insert Fiat Multipla here. I personally don't like the more recent BMW styling decisions.

So if you don't like Japanese styling then it is down to your personal taste. Like many people don't like marmite or black pudding.

Everyone is different.

TommoAE86

2,679 posts

129 months

Monday 12th June 2023
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ingenieur said:
Presumably the 'AE86' part of your username has significance in the context of a discussion about the pros and cons of Japanese car design?

I get the impression from the raging heat radiating out of your comments that I'm never going to make an argument you wouldn't strain every sinew to disprove. I acknowledge the fact that you're challenging me but I'm going to politely decline as I just can't be ar5ed having a debate like that with a mega fan. In the end you'll resort to personally attacking me and the whole thing will be a massive waste of time.
Sadly for you I can appreciate beauty of cars from many origin's which is why I was asking for your choices. Any "raging heat" in my comments that you are perceiving stems not from your preference of design choice but because you clearly you don't want to engage in the topic you started for the very question you're asking. I think you should take your own advice and unsubscribe from your own thread.

Smint

1,761 posts

37 months

Sunday 18th June 2023
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Be an even more boring world of cars if it wasn't for the Japanese.

I quite like the Corolla, especially in estate form cos require practicle in cars, i also liked Avensis in estate form, thought Lexus 460 was one of the most quietly handsome cars ever made, but can't abide the grill treatment of Lexus models since though compared to the gopping front ends of recent BMW and Audi barges the Lexus fronts are really quite reasonable.

Each to their own.

Alfa Pete

413 posts

228 months

Friday 21st July 2023
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I have a current Mazda3 and I’m considering getting another.
Having looked at the current Golf mk8 , Leon mk4 and Focus which I find disappointing compared to their predecessors and other rivals such as the eyesore that is the current 1 series,I have decided it’s simply the best looking hatch in its class.
I think the current Corolla in hatch form looks OK too.
Still not sure about the Civic which has gone from being distinctive to a bit bland in its current form.

aygojapanese

5 posts

11 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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I've often thought that because we're European thats what the magazines n press want you to buy, its a biased opinion as always. Just because the dashboard isn't soft doesn't make a bad car..I've had many cars in my 50+ years & apart from my mk1 astra 1.3 4door( which a cvh 1.6 couldn't match) I'd probs buy a pug or citroen nowadays as least its got a bit of something about it. Just scraped a 15yr old swift sport ive had for 6yrs as all running costs now 2x what I paid for it...(& yes the dash was scratchy) but a A road blast was a hoot

Super Sonic

5,235 posts

56 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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Do you mean now or in the past? The Japanese have made some beautiful cars. Sure, they've made some munters, but name a country that hasn't. Has been asked before not answered so I'm asking again, what cars do you consider look good.

ingenieur

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4,097 posts

183 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Super Sonic said:
Do you mean now or in the past? The Japanese have made some beautiful cars. Sure, they've made some munters, but name a country that hasn't. Has been asked before not answered so I'm asking again, what cars do you consider look good.
I like this car: https://themarket.bonhams.com/us/listings/bmw/635c...

TwinExit

532 posts

94 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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I think the styling discussion goes beyond cars itself, the Japanese (or as a whole ... the Far East) never really understood nor cared for creating aspirational goods and lifestyles.

Kerb appeal and projection of success is important in Europe, that reflects greatly on the number of European luxury car makers vs ... Lexus (Which the latter was purely created for more market share in the USA)

If we remove the premium / luxury brands and compare the typical Japanese saloon/hatchback to the offerings from Ford, Vauxhall, Fiat and the working man French marques, the gap on design evolution and perception of kerb appeal is significantlly diminished to warrant any serious debate.






TwinExit

532 posts

94 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Mercury00 said:
I'm the same with German cars. I always wonder to myself why they've never moved on from the three box shape. People jizz over the BMW E36, but to me it has no styling. It's literally just a series of rectangles.
My observation back in early & mid 1990's as a young teen was the E36 was a huge step up to the E30, the car had more presence and appeared very modern (at the time).

You are probably viewing the E36 as they are now, which on some level has not aged so well.


ingenieur

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4,097 posts

183 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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TwinExit said:
Mercury00 said:
I'm the same with German cars. I always wonder to myself why they've never moved on from the three box shape. People jizz over the BMW E36, but to me it has no styling. It's literally just a series of rectangles.
My observation back in early & mid 1990's as a young teen was the E36 was a huge step up to the E30, the car had more presence and appeared very modern (at the time).

You are probably viewing the E36 as they are now, which on some level has not aged so well.
It's probably aged the worst of any 3-series. I suspect over time the E90 is going to fall into a similar trap.

Super Sonic

5,235 posts

56 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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TwinExit said:
I think the styling discussion goes beyond cars itself, the Japanese (or as a whole ... the Far East) never really understood nor cared for creating aspirational goods and lifestyles.

Kerb appeal and projection of success is important in Europe, that reflects greatly on the number of European luxury car makers vs ... Lexus (Which the latter was purely created for more market share in the USA)

If we remove the premium / luxury brands and compare the typical Japanese saloon/hatchback to the offerings from Ford, Vauxhall, Fiat and the working man French marques, the gap on design evolution and perception of kerb appeal is significantlly diminished to warrant any serious debate.





Lexus are not Japan's top luxury cars. They're not even Toyota's. Japan keeps the best stuff for itself. Take a look at the Toyota Century.

Super Sonic

5,235 posts

56 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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ingenieur said:
Gotta agree, the old 635 CSL was a beautiful car. What about Nissan's 240z?

alabbasi

2,521 posts

89 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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There are some great looking Japanese cars including the
MX5 Miata (gen 1 and gen 2)
2nd Gen Toyota MR2
Toyota Supra gen 2 and 4
Honda NSX
Mazda RX7
Datsun 240Z
Nissan 300ZX (gen 2)
3000GT
T160 Celica
Toyota 2000GT (good lord it's pretty)

I'm sure there are more