RE: Tokyo 2007: New Scoob STI
Discussion
190Evoluzione said:
joz8968 said:
GravelBen said:
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The Integrale is a bland square box with big flared arches on it. Yes, it looks more aggressive in an 80s kinda way, but thats what it is. Similar concept to this in fact, except where the Delta was a typical 80s...
Sacrilege! Hang that man! Integrale Evoluzione aesthetics rule - no argument. Proportions/tension/aggression is spot on - 'pugnacious' is the word. Now go away little man... Quicker. The Integrale is a bland square box with big flared arches on it. Yes, it looks more aggressive in an 80s kinda way, but thats what it is. Similar concept to this in fact, except where the Delta was a typical 80s...Very few modern cars turn heads and command admiration the way an Integrale does, and despite bieng slower than a good few
WRC-flavoured hatches of today I'd still trade absolutely any of them for a straight Evoluzione...
Edited by 190Evoluzione on Wednesday 24th October 14:59
)VladD said:
I suppose the question is, are there any good looking cars in this sector?
Golf, no.
Focus, no.
Astra, no.
Leon, no.
Civic, no.
I'd take this Impreza over any of those models, but I don't think I'd have any of them by choice.
Agreed apart from the Leon, which for some reason I quite like, but only if it's painted custard yellow.Golf, no.
Focus, no.
Astra, no.
Leon, no.
Civic, no.
I'd take this Impreza over any of those models, but I don't think I'd have any of them by choice.
cowellsj said:
...Agreed apart from the Leon, which for some reason I quite like, but only if it's painted custard yellow.
White is hornier on the Leon IMHO . Talking of which, have you noticed how much more aggressive the front bumper (with those 4-slat side maws) of the new TDi is, compared to either the new FR's or Curpra's? That really annoys me. Indeed, the TDi fitted with the aero kit (and its much nicer split 7-spokes) is much tastier than the FR or Cupra.cowellsj said:
VladD said:
I suppose the question is, are there any good looking cars in this sector?
Golf, no.
Focus, no.
Astra, no.
Leon, no.
Civic, no.
I'd take this Impreza over any of those models, but I don't think I'd have any of them by choice.
Agreed apart from the Leon, which for some reason I quite like, but only if it's painted custard yellow.Golf, no.
Focus, no.
Astra, no.
Leon, no.
Civic, no.
I'd take this Impreza over any of those models, but I don't think I'd have any of them by choice.
Nothing wrong with the bugeye Impreza...first of the Impreza's to have a proper stiff chassis. Previous classic model's, Subaru technicians used to call them watermellons because the chassis were so soft and twisted easily. The only way's to stiffen one of those up properly would be to fit stiffer bushes all round, install a roll cage or seam weld.
People really love having a pop at the bugeye for being so damn ugly but at least it looks and goes like a WRX/STi should and it's nothing like it's N/A brother, unlike the new WRX that looks exactly the same as the fugly standard N/A car, that goes like a pile of poo. It couldn't even beat a Mazdaspeed 3 in performance, handling or looks departments.
The new STi is going to have to go some to change my mind about it. I've seen the current incarnation N/A car in the flesh and it's rubbish. It'll take more than flared wheel arches to alter my opinion, and it's a bloody shame that after so many years of manufacturing roughly the same shape since 1992, the shape Scooby owners love to bits because it looks as though it means business, that they have to make such massive and drastic changes.
Why or why couldn't they do like Mistubishi and update the current shape with something that tells you it doesn't
about. I think the new EVO looks bloody good and Subaru have missed a massive trick here!!
People really love having a pop at the bugeye for being so damn ugly but at least it looks and goes like a WRX/STi should and it's nothing like it's N/A brother, unlike the new WRX that looks exactly the same as the fugly standard N/A car, that goes like a pile of poo. It couldn't even beat a Mazdaspeed 3 in performance, handling or looks departments.
The new STi is going to have to go some to change my mind about it. I've seen the current incarnation N/A car in the flesh and it's rubbish. It'll take more than flared wheel arches to alter my opinion, and it's a bloody shame that after so many years of manufacturing roughly the same shape since 1992, the shape Scooby owners love to bits because it looks as though it means business, that they have to make such massive and drastic changes.
Why or why couldn't they do like Mistubishi and update the current shape with something that tells you it doesn't
about. I think the new EVO looks bloody good and Subaru have missed a massive trick here!!
ScoobieWRX said:
Nothing wrong with the bugeye Impreza...first of the Impreza's to have a proper stiff chassis. Previous classic model's, Subaru technicians used to call them watermellons because the chassis were so soft and twisted easily. The only way's to stiffen one of those up properly would be to fit stiffer bushes all round, install a roll cage or seam weld.
People really love having a pop at the bugeye for being so damn ugly but at least it looks and goes like a WRX/STi should and it's nothing like it's N/A brother, unlike the new WRX that looks exactly the same as the fugly standard N/A car, that goes like a pile of poo. It couldn't even beat a Mazdaspeed 3 in performance, handling or looks departments.
Define stiffen up properly, this is a road car after all. The STi shells were stiffer than the UK spec cars and had extra bracing behind the rear seat, which is why they didnt have fold down rear seatbacks.People really love having a pop at the bugeye for being so damn ugly but at least it looks and goes like a WRX/STi should and it's nothing like it's N/A brother, unlike the new WRX that looks exactly the same as the fugly standard N/A car, that goes like a pile of poo. It couldn't even beat a Mazdaspeed 3 in performance, handling or looks departments.
Stiffer bushes doesnt stiffen a chassis, it just stops the mount points of the moving parts moving as much. The standard fit STi classic bushes are spot on for a performance road car.
I've never heard a classic refered to as a watermellon, and i've been driving these things for 9 years now.
The bigest problem with the bugeye was it's weight for the power it had, it was a lot slower than the outgoing classic because of it's reduced power/weight, STi version, UK spec or NA were all slower than their equivilant classic. It also had more frontal weight bias due to the very heavy front impact beam installed on them all, bar the Spec C which had this item deleted to help it compete with the EVO on the PWRC.
joz8968 said:
190Evoluzione... ever thought about getting yourself into a black Merc 190 2.5-16 Evolution II with the huge "deer's antlers" 
rear wing - surely your 'step-up' car? 
...If you can find one
Found one. rear wing - surely your 'step-up' car? ...If you can find one
Go on, lend us £30k...
http://www.mercseller.com/index.php?pg=view&id...
No, seriously - next Mercedes is a 2.3-16 or 2.5-16 Manual methinks.
Japanese Subaru techs called them watermellons because of that reason. I'll try and find the publication i read this in and post a link, it was quite some time ago now but that particular fact stuck with me.
Fitting stiffer bushings on mounting points stops all the bits that bolt onto the chassis, and where the chassis bolts onto the body, from flexing which in turn helps to tighten up the handling and make the car feel more taut even if you don't fit a roll cage or seam weld. Every bit helps to improve handling, and that's without uprated dampers and springs. I have a sportwagon and it has the bracings underneath the rear seats, my seats fold up and down.
If i were to race or regular track day a classic or any scooby i would seam weld, fit a cage and use stiffer bushings, but i would use stiffer bushings on thier own for road car use only. I rate a bugeye's handling out of the box, especially the sportwagon, and i've driven a couple of classic scoobys now over some very badly cambered roads with camber changes and humps mid bend and you could really feel the body flex. They didn't handle anywhere near as well as my bugeye sportwagon and both were unmodified cars. All i've done to mine is uprated the ARB end links front and back, got rid of those plastic efforts.
Anyway ....sorry to highjack the thread momentarily
Fitting stiffer bushings on mounting points stops all the bits that bolt onto the chassis, and where the chassis bolts onto the body, from flexing which in turn helps to tighten up the handling and make the car feel more taut even if you don't fit a roll cage or seam weld. Every bit helps to improve handling, and that's without uprated dampers and springs. I have a sportwagon and it has the bracings underneath the rear seats, my seats fold up and down.
If i were to race or regular track day a classic or any scooby i would seam weld, fit a cage and use stiffer bushings, but i would use stiffer bushings on thier own for road car use only. I rate a bugeye's handling out of the box, especially the sportwagon, and i've driven a couple of classic scoobys now over some very badly cambered roads with camber changes and humps mid bend and you could really feel the body flex. They didn't handle anywhere near as well as my bugeye sportwagon and both were unmodified cars. All i've done to mine is uprated the ARB end links front and back, got rid of those plastic efforts.
Anyway ....sorry to highjack the thread momentarily
Edited by ScoobieWRX on Thursday 25th October 08:30
Anyone who thinks this bastard son of a Focus/BMW 1 series is good looking must be on drugs surely?
Didn't I also read that the footprint is actually larger than the outgoing scoob? So what we have is a bloated hot hatch which undoubtedly weighs North of 1400kgs. They bound to go for the equal length headers which will rob the car of the "dugga dugga" noise too. For the first time in the model's history I think the Evo has more charisma.
Meh.
I'll stick with my 22b. (Gratuitous excuse for photo).
Didn't I also read that the footprint is actually larger than the outgoing scoob? So what we have is a bloated hot hatch which undoubtedly weighs North of 1400kgs. They bound to go for the equal length headers which will rob the car of the "dugga dugga" noise too. For the first time in the model's history I think the Evo has more charisma.
Meh.
I'll stick with my 22b. (Gratuitous excuse for photo).
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