Litchfield Type -25.
Discussion
ScoobieWRX said:
P.S. You service the Litchfield every 10K still, i think the Evo is every 4.5K...hmmmm
This is essentially what put me off getting an evo 360 was the practicality of an every day car. It was a stunning car to drive on the open road but impossible to live with in traffic or day to day. The drive train shunt and snatchy clutch would make you grey after a few miles in stop start taffic. Not that I have driven a type 25 but from what I've heard you have a car that is very very competent in all conditions. Anyway, I wanted something with a huge scoop on the front.....
ScoobieWRX said:
If you want a huge scoop do it the Blue Peter way. Cardboard box and sticky back plastic tape and poster paint. Stick that to your bonnet and away you go. 
If only I'd thought of that before, I could have saved a fortune....... what sort of cooling do you get on a f reg nova with the above configuration. I heard its good for another 50bhp!
MilnerR said:
ScoobieWRX said:
If you want a huge scoop do it the Blue Peter way. Cardboard box and sticky back plastic tape and poster paint. Stick that to your bonnet and away you go.
If only I'd thought of that before, I could have saved a fortune....... what sort of cooling do you get on a f reg nova with the above configuration. I heard its good for another 50bhp!
Correct. As applied to VX Nova's, specially f reg models with the deluxe, high performance custom bonnet scoop, BHP = Broken Hose Pipes
Fair enough, i haven't driven a Type 25, but i have seen one.
Those who complain about tacky interiors (and for that matter tacky looks) with a Lancer Evo can hardly tell me that the Type 25 looks special, or has a great interior!
It's a Scooby, FFS!
It's still an old-fashioned 4-door saloon which has been rallyfied and i can't see where £20,000 extra goes over a std STi. You can get them for just over £20K brand new now.
Those who complain about tacky interiors (and for that matter tacky looks) with a Lancer Evo can hardly tell me that the Type 25 looks special, or has a great interior!
It's a Scooby, FFS!
It's still an old-fashioned 4-door saloon which has been rallyfied and i can't see where £20,000 extra goes over a std STi. You can get them for just over £20K brand new now.
Beemer-5 said:
Fair enough, i haven't driven a Type 25, but i have seen one.
Those who complain about tacky interiors (and for that matter tacky looks) with a Lancer Evo can hardly tell me that the Type 25 looks special, or has a great interior!
It's a Scooby, FFS!
It's still an old-fashioned 4-door saloon which has been rallyfied and i can't see where £20,000 extra goes over a std STi. You can get them for just over £20K brand new now.
Those who complain about tacky interiors (and for that matter tacky looks) with a Lancer Evo can hardly tell me that the Type 25 looks special, or has a great interior!
It's a Scooby, FFS!
It's still an old-fashioned 4-door saloon which has been rallyfied and i can't see where £20,000 extra goes over a std STi. You can get them for just over £20K brand new now.
That's very true and i hope to see a few more Scooby's on the road when they are that sort of money as a much better alternative to an Evo, VW, Ford or Honda, as an everyday, useable and practicle high performance hack.
As for interiors, i think just about anyone that has driven both a Scooby and an Evo back to back (EVO Mag, Jap Car Mags, TopGear etc...) have commented that the Scooby has a nicer interior although even so...it is still pretty p1ss poor. But then you don't buy either car for looks or interior touches do you. I certainly didn't.
Having come from a fully specced up S Type Jag (3.0L SE) before that, i must admit i missed the interior luxuries and all the toys. However when i drove my sportwagon on the Test drive i was totally smitten!!! It was just what i was looking for and forgot all about my Jag. Before that i'd tried a standard EVO 260, on test drive and that was as harsh as hell to drive on the road, the seat was rock hard and my back would not take that sort of punishment every day. I felt it was probably a much better car for the track and would have loved to have taken the 260 around Bedford Autodrome but not suitable for every day use.
Ultimately although the Evo has the performance upper hand over a standard STi as proven by TopGear and fair play to the Evo,....in the spirit those famous words uttered by JC and RH...."which one would you rather go home in at the end of the day?"....and both agreed...."The Subaru".
Nuff said!!
Edited by ScoobieWRX on Friday 2nd March 13:00
I haven driven both MY05 T25 spec C and the latest MY06 Cosworth T25 heavier A-line version. Theres a big difference between the old and the new, the new one is awesome 
it made my My06 Type20 (2.0ltr 350bhp) seem very SLOW and ordinary.
I thought five minutes of driving and I'd get used to the extra power Iain asked me if everthing was alright as I was short shifting at 6.5Krpm.
The A-line T25 Demo i drove
Tony
it made my My06 Type20 (2.0ltr 350bhp) seem very SLOW and ordinary. I thought five minutes of driving and I'd get used to the extra power
Iain asked me if everthing was alright as I was short shifting at 6.5Krpm. The A-line T25 Demo i drove
Tony
T5NYW said:
I haven driven both MY05 T25 spec C and the latest MY06 Cosworth T25 heavier A-line version. Theres a big difference between the old and the new, the new one is awesome it made my My06 Type20 (2.0ltr 350bhp) seem very SLOW and ordinary.
I thought five minutes of driving and I'd get used to the extra power Iain asked me if everthing was alright as I was short shifting at 6.5Krpm.
The A-line T25 Demo i drove
Tony
it made my My06 Type20 (2.0ltr 350bhp) seem very SLOW and ordinary. I thought five minutes of driving and I'd get used to the extra power
Iain asked me if everthing was alright as I was short shifting at 6.5Krpm. The A-line T25 Demo i drove
Tony
Nice....Very Nice.....
ScoobieWRX said:
T5NYW said:
I haven driven both MY05 T25 spec C and the latest MY06 Cosworth T25 heavier A-line version. Theres a big difference between the old and the new, the new one is awesome it made my My06 Type20 (2.0ltr 350bhp) seem very SLOW and ordinary.
I thought five minutes of driving and I'd get used to the extra power Iain asked me if everthing was alright as I was short shifting at 6.5Krpm.
The A-line T25 Demo i drove
Tony
Nice....Very Nice..... it made my My06 Type20 (2.0ltr 350bhp) seem very SLOW and ordinary.I thought five minutes of driving and I'd get used to the extra power
Iain asked me if everthing was alright as I was short shifting at 6.5Krpm.The A-line T25 Demo i drove
Tony
Amazingly smooth and flexible power delivery - even better than the standard car, despite the extra 200hp!
Also, if you open the bonnet, it looks no different to the standard engine bay - which I think it cool.
Only thing I would say is that it lacks a bit of 'feel' - you have to really trust it to push hard, whereas in the the Noble you car really feel for grip.
The Type-25 goes very very sideways, very very easily too
My recent performance cars include a 22b and 996 GT3RS, I have tested loads of other high performance cars including an older version of the type 25, I can only conclude that the Type 25 is the perfect four seat everyday car. It is at ease on track and equally on “B” roads. Only a Porsche turbo at 100k will come near it. The Audi RS4 V8 is beautifully built, but is too nose heavy for a performance car and dosen’t track well. You cannot compare a GT3 unless it’s a 997 as its just too hard for “B” roads and frankly it would not keep up, however very quick on track. BMW M3 CSL is in my mind the only comparable.
SJC you really need to ask yourself what your needs are. A track based car is miles away from a motorway cruiser, where we are all being persecuted on the roads more and more. A Noble is formidable but essentially a track.
SJC you really need to ask yourself what your needs are. A track based car is miles away from a motorway cruiser, where we are all being persecuted on the roads more and more. A Noble is formidable but essentially a track.
sjc said:
Well people,thanks to everyone who offered an opinion,I went for the Noble and I'm now the proud owner of a M400.And yes PeterPeter I'll be bringing it tommorrow.For anyone thats interested TOP555 have a 500 mile £48K spec Type-25 for 40 grand at the mo'
Congrats on the choice, I think you made the right one 
Rhodie said:
SJC you really need to ask yourself what your needs are. A track based car is miles away from a motorway cruiser, where we are all being persecuted on the roads more and more. A Noble is formidable but essentially a track.
HI there
I like both the Noble and Type 25. Not driven a Noble but have been in a new Type 25 and it is one awsome all rounder. The only problem with the Type 25 is you will loose a lot of money in depreciation. I saw a new Type 25 model sell on here not long ago for less than 30k, thats a huge amount of money to loose for 12 months driving.
The Noble is a proper drivers car and very quick, especially on a track. The Type 25 is still a good drivers car but its not in the same league as the Noble as in it takes nowhere near as much skill to drive it as quick. I'd say the Noble would make you grin more.
Let me throw you another option however:-
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/177491.htm
Yep its different but thats what makes it so good, plus its a far more reliable car and far more bullet proof over a Noble or any Scooby.
In a straight line the Noble nor Scooby will keep up due to not only 532BHP but vast amounts of torque (510lb-ft). 60-130mph takes 9-10s in comparison to a Ferrari Enzo which takes 7s.
Now before anyone mentions handling, well this car is a bit special. Think of a Roush handling wise but twice as good. This car has Steeda race suspension setup which is fine for road use but if you were to go on track it would be sublime. Also the car may look big but at 1550kg its not as heavy as it looks.
Anyway just another option that kinda fits in between the two your considering.
In comparison to the Type 25 which I've driven the Mustang has quicker steering with more feel due to the modifications I've made. The car also communicates whats going on from all 4 corners and is very predictable and easy to control at the limit. The Mustang for me makes me grin like mad from the point of turning the key, to the manic acceleration and I am still grinning when it comes to stopping and cornering. I've put a lot of work into the car and had great enjoyment from it. Just now its time to find a new toy to play with and modify......
I like both the Noble and Type 25. Not driven a Noble but have been in a new Type 25 and it is one awsome all rounder. The only problem with the Type 25 is you will loose a lot of money in depreciation. I saw a new Type 25 model sell on here not long ago for less than 30k, thats a huge amount of money to loose for 12 months driving.
The Noble is a proper drivers car and very quick, especially on a track. The Type 25 is still a good drivers car but its not in the same league as the Noble as in it takes nowhere near as much skill to drive it as quick. I'd say the Noble would make you grin more.
Let me throw you another option however:-
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/177491.htm
Yep its different but thats what makes it so good, plus its a far more reliable car and far more bullet proof over a Noble or any Scooby.
In a straight line the Noble nor Scooby will keep up due to not only 532BHP but vast amounts of torque (510lb-ft). 60-130mph takes 9-10s in comparison to a Ferrari Enzo which takes 7s.
Now before anyone mentions handling, well this car is a bit special. Think of a Roush handling wise but twice as good. This car has Steeda race suspension setup which is fine for road use but if you were to go on track it would be sublime. Also the car may look big but at 1550kg its not as heavy as it looks.
Anyway just another option that kinda fits in between the two your considering.
In comparison to the Type 25 which I've driven the Mustang has quicker steering with more feel due to the modifications I've made. The car also communicates whats going on from all 4 corners and is very predictable and easy to control at the limit. The Mustang for me makes me grin like mad from the point of turning the key, to the manic acceleration and I am still grinning when it comes to stopping and cornering. I've put a lot of work into the car and had great enjoyment from it. Just now its time to find a new toy to play with and modify......
Edited by [OcUK]Gibbo on Friday 13th July 14:44
[OcUK]Gibbo said:
HI there
I like both the Noble and Type 25. Not driven a Noble but have been in a new Type 25 and it is one awsome all rounder. The only problem with the Type 25 is you will loose a lot of money in depreciation. I saw a new Type 25 model sell on here not long ago for less than 30k, thats a huge amount of money to loose for 12 months driving.
The Noble is a proper drivers car and very quick, especially on a track. The Type 25 is still a good drivers car but its not in the same league as the Noble as in it takes nowhere near as much skill to drive it as quick. I'd say the Noble would make you grin more.
Let me throw you another option however:-
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/177491.htm
Yep its different but thats what makes it so good, plus its a far more reliable car and far more bullet proof over a Noble or any Scooby.
In a straight line the Noble nor Scooby will keep up due to not only 532BHP but vast amounts of torque (510lb-ft).
I like both the Noble and Type 25. Not driven a Noble but have been in a new Type 25 and it is one awsome all rounder. The only problem with the Type 25 is you will loose a lot of money in depreciation. I saw a new Type 25 model sell on here not long ago for less than 30k, thats a huge amount of money to loose for 12 months driving.
The Noble is a proper drivers car and very quick, especially on a track. The Type 25 is still a good drivers car but its not in the same league as the Noble as in it takes nowhere near as much skill to drive it as quick. I'd say the Noble would make you grin more.
Let me throw you another option however:-
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/177491.htm
Yep its different but thats what makes it so good, plus its a far more reliable car and far more bullet proof over a Noble or any Scooby.
In a straight line the Noble nor Scooby will keep up due to not only 532BHP but vast amounts of torque (510lb-ft).
Edited by [OcUK]Gibbo on Friday 13th July 14:44
Without entering a pissing contestI suggest you do a bit of homework and look at the M400 acceleration times before you make statements like that! FWIW it does 0-100 in 8 secs flat (verified several times in mags), the Type -25 performance is very similar, and your car frankly, is nowhere near that quick. And as your comparing an out of the box Noble with a heavily modified 'Stang, we'll even the contest up a bit shall we? On youtube you'll find a couple of forum members with modified Noble "over" 500BHP, and not even the Carrera GT keeps up at V-max!A really silly point made, unless it was an effort to sell your car, (which looks lovely) but my God that advert is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to long!
sjc said:
[OcUK]Gibbo said:
HI there
I like both the Noble and Type 25. Not driven a Noble but have been in a new Type 25 and it is one awsome all rounder. The only problem with the Type 25 is you will loose a lot of money in depreciation. I saw a new Type 25 model sell on here not long ago for less than 30k, thats a huge amount of money to loose for 12 months driving.
The Noble is a proper drivers car and very quick, especially on a track. The Type 25 is still a good drivers car but its not in the same league as the Noble as in it takes nowhere near as much skill to drive it as quick. I'd say the Noble would make you grin more.
Let me throw you another option however:-
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/177491.htm
Yep its different but thats what makes it so good, plus its a far more reliable car and far more bullet proof over a Noble or any Scooby.
In a straight line the Noble nor Scooby will keep up due to not only 532BHP but vast amounts of torque (510lb-ft).
I like both the Noble and Type 25. Not driven a Noble but have been in a new Type 25 and it is one awsome all rounder. The only problem with the Type 25 is you will loose a lot of money in depreciation. I saw a new Type 25 model sell on here not long ago for less than 30k, thats a huge amount of money to loose for 12 months driving.
The Noble is a proper drivers car and very quick, especially on a track. The Type 25 is still a good drivers car but its not in the same league as the Noble as in it takes nowhere near as much skill to drive it as quick. I'd say the Noble would make you grin more.
Let me throw you another option however:-
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/177491.htm
Yep its different but thats what makes it so good, plus its a far more reliable car and far more bullet proof over a Noble or any Scooby.
In a straight line the Noble nor Scooby will keep up due to not only 532BHP but vast amounts of torque (510lb-ft).
Edited by [OcUK]Gibbo on Friday 13th July 14:44
Without entering a pissing contestI suggest you do a bit of homework and look at the M400 acceleration times before you make statements like that! FWIW it does 0-100 in 8 secs flat (verified several times in mags), the Type -25 performance is very similar, and your car frankly, is nowhere near that quick. And as your comparing an out of the box Noble with a heavily modified 'Stang, we'll even the contest up a bit shall we? On youtube you'll find a couple of forum members with modified Noble "over" 500BHP, and not even the Carrera GT keeps up at V-max!A really silly point made, unless it was an effort to sell your car, (which looks lovely) but my God that advert is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to long!
Fair enough it was just an option. Still 0-100mph in mine is takes 8.5s-9s and that launching the car gently. I am sure a mag could see 8s from it as afterall they generally have no mechanical sympathy when testing cars. Yes a modified Noble with 500BHP would destroy it, no doubts at all, the Noble will also out handle it again no doubts at.
You say my car is nowhere near that quick, you clearly don't know much about Mustangs. When one of the early Saleen supercharged cars was reviews, it posted a 10.4s 0-100mph acceleration, but wait for it those early cars only had 400BHP. So I don't think its unreasonable at all to assume that one which weighs less and has an additional 130 horses (dyno proven) is gonna do it quite a bit quicker.
I've driven the Type 25 and apart from off the mark performance the Mustang is definetely quicker from a roll without doubt. The Type 25 handles amazingly and again is better than the Mustang, but against a standard STi or WRX I find the Mustang is the better handler except for really bumpy roads due to the live axle.
I used to have an Audi A4 for the road and an Elise for the track. But, two months ago I got rid of both of them and I bought a second-hand 04-spec Type-25. I've had quite a few quick cars in my time, but every time I drive the Type-25 it just blows me away - I can't wait to do my first track day in it.
The combination of incredible performance and everyday usability is unbeatable. Also, the service you get from Litchfield is second-to-none.
If there are any other owners out there, please get in touch...!!
The combination of incredible performance and everyday usability is unbeatable. Also, the service you get from Litchfield is second-to-none.
If there are any other owners out there, please get in touch...!!
Congrats SJC....I am envious...The Noble is a stunning motor and as far as i can see you have made the right choice for you in terms of driveability, and no doubt purchase price came into the equation as i think you wanted to spend upto c.£35K...Bloody Excellent!!
When i finally get my Type25 i'll post my notes on this thread but i don't think it would make any difference to you as i am sure by then you will still have the Noble and be loving it bigtime
However.....in an ideal world wouldn't it be nice though to have both....i would
( Don't worry Koenigsegg CCXR....i still love you )
When i finally get my Type25 i'll post my notes on this thread but i don't think it would make any difference to you as i am sure by then you will still have the Noble and be loving it bigtime
However.....in an ideal world wouldn't it be nice though to have both....i would
( Don't worry Koenigsegg CCXR....i still love you )
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