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WRX PPP should return 30-35mpg on a motorway providing you stick below 80. I routinely got 350-370 miles per tank (I did at least 2 big drives a week in it). Round town (+ b roads) you should get 20+, again providing you drive it reasonably sensibly. Claims of 14 probably mean that you drive it quite aggressively or really do just pootle round town in traffic.
My STi does about 250 miles per-tank on a motorway run. Leather it round country lanes then you can loose a tank in 100 miles easily (as is the case every time I visit my nan
You do need to bear in mind that its a turbo car, so therefore the difference between driving styles will be dramatic on fuel. That's probably why you see people quoting all sorts of figures.
My STi does about 250 miles per-tank on a motorway run. Leather it round country lanes then you can loose a tank in 100 miles easily (as is the case every time I visit my nan
You do need to bear in mind that its a turbo car, so therefore the difference between driving styles will be dramatic on fuel. That's probably why you see people quoting all sorts of figures.
WRX PPP should return 30-35mpg on a motorway providing you stick below 80. I routinely got 350-370 miles per tank (I did at least 2 big drives a week in it). Round town (+ b roads) you should get 20+, again providing you drive it reasonably sensibly. Claims of 14 probably mean that you drive it quite aggressively or really do just pootle round town in traffic.
My STi does about 250 miles per-tank on a motorway run. Leather it round country lanes then you can loose a tank in 100 miles easily (as is the case every time I visit my nan ?
You do need to bear in mind that its a turbo car, so therefore the difference between driving styles will be dramatic on fuel. That's probably why you see people quoting all sorts of figures
My STi does about 250 miles per-tank on a motorway run. Leather it round country lanes then you can loose a tank in 100 miles easily (as is the case every time I visit my nan
?You do need to bear in mind that its a turbo car, so therefore the difference between driving styles will be dramatic on fuel. That's probably why you see people quoting all sorts of figures
I think StevieB was talking about the Tribeca? Which is a 2-ton behemoth, so you'd expect it to be thirstier.
Personally I'm inclined to think that if you find yourself getting 14mpg in your normal driving from a healthy Subaru then either your normal driving consists primarily of stop-start traffic or you're not likely to have a license for much longer.
For comparison, with mine(Legacy GTB - 280bhp twin-turbo, a bit heavier than a WRX but probably a slipperier shape) I generally average around 26mpg in mixed use and 30-32 on the open road (with plenty of corners, hills and overtaking - my nearest motorway is 100 miles away). Low 20s if I'm doing a lot of short trips around town where it hardly even warms up. Those figures are on 98RON, its about 10% worse on 95.
Personally I'm inclined to think that if you find yourself getting 14mpg in your normal driving from a healthy Subaru then either your normal driving consists primarily of stop-start traffic or you're not likely to have a license for much longer.
For comparison, with mine(Legacy GTB - 280bhp twin-turbo, a bit heavier than a WRX but probably a slipperier shape) I generally average around 26mpg in mixed use and 30-32 on the open road (with plenty of corners, hills and overtaking - my nearest motorway is 100 miles away). Low 20s if I'm doing a lot of short trips around town where it hardly even warms up. Those figures are on 98RON, its about 10% worse on 95.
Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 22 December 09:40
GravelBen said:
I think StevieB was talking about the Tribeca? Which is a 2-ton behemoth, so you'd expect it to be thirstier.
Personally I'm inclined to think that if you find yourself getting 14mpg in your normal driving from a healthy Subaru then either your normal driving consists primarily of stop-start traffic or you're not likely to have a license for much longer.
For comparison, with mine(Legacy GTB - 280bhp twin-turbo, a bit heavier than a WRX but probably a slipperier shape) I generally average around 26mpg in mixed use and 30-32 on the open road (with plenty of corners, hills and overtaking - my nearest motorway is 100 miles away). Low 20s if I'm doing a lot of short trips around town where it hardly even warms up. Those figures are on 98RON, its about 10% worse on 95.
Yep i was on about the tribeca. My point i was trying to make was that the cost of fuel may be a little higher but the reliability of the car makes up for the costs of fuel. Personally I'm inclined to think that if you find yourself getting 14mpg in your normal driving from a healthy Subaru then either your normal driving consists primarily of stop-start traffic or you're not likely to have a license for much longer.
For comparison, with mine(Legacy GTB - 280bhp twin-turbo, a bit heavier than a WRX but probably a slipperier shape) I generally average around 26mpg in mixed use and 30-32 on the open road (with plenty of corners, hills and overtaking - my nearest motorway is 100 miles away). Low 20s if I'm doing a lot of short trips around town where it hardly even warms up. Those figures are on 98RON, its about 10% worse on 95.
Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 22 December 09:40
if you look at the total cost of ownership you will findthat the car does not cost much more than a a high spec family car to own and run.
GravelBen said:
Personally I'm inclined to think that if you find yourself getting 14mpg in your normal driving from a healthy Subaru then either your normal driving consists primarily of stop-start traffic or you're not likely to have a license for much longer.
I can honestly say that when I returned such a poor figure, it really was 'normal' driving, albeit with some town routes. I was not accelerating or speeding any more than the normal flow of traffic. I accept your point though, as you have more experience.Perhaps mine is a little unhealthy, though has been serviced fully. Any one know a good indy in Kent?
Wouldn't a PPP use more fuel than non-PPP ? I don't know for sure, but I heard that PPP was considered to run pretty rich ? As OP's main concern is fuel economy, maybe standard WRX would be better. Or, budget for remap of WRX for power & economy.
I would still agree a WRX will use less fuel than STI , and WRX PPP less than STI PPP. And agree that WRX PPP is a good compromise of simple bhp v purchase price, if you don't want the other STI goodies.
I would still agree a WRX will use less fuel than STI , and WRX PPP less than STI PPP. And agree that WRX PPP is a good compromise of simple bhp v purchase price, if you don't want the other STI goodies.
A PPP will use a bit more fuel, but its worth it as its such a better drive than a standard WRX. You dont need to get a PPP, instead you could get the mods done (decat centre, bigger backbox and remap) and it wont cost more than 1K to do that. A PPP is easy to insure as its recognised as a model variant...
JFReturns said:
I can honestly say that when I returned such a poor figure, it really was 'normal' driving, albeit with some town routes. I was not accelerating or speeding any more than the normal flow of traffic. I accept your point though, as you have more experience.
Perhaps mine is a little unhealthy, though has been serviced fully. Any one know a good indy in Kent?
If that's town driving then I would not fuss too much. I have an STi without the PPP and its the same. I would be concerned if that's what you get on the motorway though...Perhaps mine is a little unhealthy, though has been serviced fully. Any one know a good indy in Kent?
paulmoonraker said:
A PPP will use a bit more fuel, but its worth it as its such a better drive than a standard WRX. You dont need to get a PPP, instead you could get the mods done (decat centre, bigger backbox and remap) and it wont cost more than 1K to do that. A PPP is easy to insure as its recognised as a model variant...
the PPP is not recognised by any insurer it goes down as a Exhaust and Remap adding around 10% extra to your premium. None of my insurers have recognised a PPP when i asked for a quote. Also if you go for a aftermarket remap then you will get better fuel economy than the PPP.
Thanks for all the response so far guys, very useful, more info the better really! Am going to call up for some insurance quotes in the new year so should get to the bottom of the PPP query. Definitely going to stay away from the STi for now, so will be looking for a normal WRX or one with PPP, I dont think the leather interior really suits the car so not too interested in the SL.
stevieb said:
paulmoonraker said:
A PPP will use a bit more fuel, but its worth it as its such a better drive than a standard WRX. You dont need to get a PPP, instead you could get the mods done (decat centre, bigger backbox and remap) and it wont cost more than 1K to do that. A PPP is easy to insure as its recognised as a model variant...
the PPP is not recognised by any insurer it goes down as a Exhaust and Remap adding around 10% extra to your premium. None of my insurers have recognised a PPP when i asked for a quote. Also if you go for a aftermarket remap then you will get better fuel economy than the PPP.
... Its got 'FREE' in it because at one stage it was a free upgrade from some dealers...Sorry to butt in, but run those (real world) mpg figures past me again please......
I've seen a couple of nice looking, low mileage '02' ish bog standard WRX's about and it had me thinking. If those are really the sort of mpg figures though I may just forget it!
Mixed driving
Town Driving
Motorway
What do you get in your WRX
(Apologies to OP, but I guess all info helps inform your purchase decision, so hopefully this is usefull)
I've seen a couple of nice looking, low mileage '02' ish bog standard WRX's about and it had me thinking. If those are really the sort of mpg figures though I may just forget it!
Mixed driving
Town Driving
Motorway
What do you get in your WRX
(Apologies to OP, but I guess all info helps inform your purchase decision, so hopefully this is usefull)
'Something' like:
Mixed driving - 25
Town Driving - 20 (can be less)
Motorway - 35 (stick to less than 80)
However, as this thread demonstrates, it entirely depends on your driving style. To be honest, if your bothered about MPG don't get a turbo car. The WRX is reasonable on fuel given the performance and IMO offers a compromise (I had one (PPP) for 2 years and used it as a business car covering 40K)...
A PPP will use a tad more fuel. An STi drinks like a fish. An STi with the PPP is daft
-P
Mixed driving - 25
Town Driving - 20 (can be less)
Motorway - 35 (stick to less than 80)
However, as this thread demonstrates, it entirely depends on your driving style. To be honest, if your bothered about MPG don't get a turbo car. The WRX is reasonable on fuel given the performance and IMO offers a compromise (I had one (PPP) for 2 years and used it as a business car covering 40K)...
A PPP will use a tad more fuel. An STi drinks like a fish. An STi with the PPP is daft
-P
stevieb said:
paulmoonraker said:
A PPP will use a bit more fuel, but its worth it as its such a better drive than a standard WRX. You dont need to get a PPP, instead you could get the mods done (decat centre, bigger backbox and remap) and it wont cost more than 1K to do that. A PPP is easy to insure as its recognised as a model variant...
the PPP is not recognised by any insurer it goes down as a Exhaust and Remap adding around 10% extra to your premium. None of my insurers have recognised a PPP when i asked for a quote. Also if you go for a aftermarket remap then you will get better fuel economy than the PPP.
paulmoonraker said:
'Something' like:
Mixed driving - 25
Town Driving - 20 (can be less)
Motorway - 35 (stick to less than 80)
However, as this thread demonstrates, it entirely depends on your driving style. To be honest, if your bothered about MPG don't get a turbo car. The WRX is reasonable on fuel given the performance and IMO offers a compromise (I had one (PPP) for 2 years and used it as a business car covering 40K)...
A PPP will use a tad more fuel. An STi drinks like a fish. An STi with the PPP is daft
-P
Would agree with the above MPG if you dont nail it everwhere. Mixed driving - 25
Town Driving - 20 (can be less)
Motorway - 35 (stick to less than 80)
However, as this thread demonstrates, it entirely depends on your driving style. To be honest, if your bothered about MPG don't get a turbo car. The WRX is reasonable on fuel given the performance and IMO offers a compromise (I had one (PPP) for 2 years and used it as a business car covering 40K)...
A PPP will use a tad more fuel. An STi drinks like a fish. An STi with the PPP is daft
-P
stevieb said:
paulmoonraker said:
'Something' like:
Mixed driving - 25
Town Driving - 20 (can be less)
Motorway - 35 (stick to less than 80)
However, as this thread demonstrates, it entirely depends on your driving style. To be honest, if your bothered about MPG don't get a turbo car. The WRX is reasonable on fuel given the performance and IMO offers a compromise (I had one (PPP) for 2 years and used it as a business car covering 40K)...
A PPP will use a tad more fuel. An STi drinks like a fish. An STi with the PPP is daft
-P
Would agree with the above MPG if you dont nail it everwhere. Mixed driving - 25
Town Driving - 20 (can be less)
Motorway - 35 (stick to less than 80)
However, as this thread demonstrates, it entirely depends on your driving style. To be honest, if your bothered about MPG don't get a turbo car. The WRX is reasonable on fuel given the performance and IMO offers a compromise (I had one (PPP) for 2 years and used it as a business car covering 40K)...
A PPP will use a tad more fuel. An STi drinks like a fish. An STi with the PPP is daft
-P
Hi from another WRX PPP owner.
As a further guide, I'm getting around 24mpg on a drive across town to work every day. That is mainly keeping the car below 3000rpm (i.e. where the car really comes on boost), whilst allowing for the odd exception. You would easily get over 30mpg out of town if you behaved, and I suspect into the teens if you choose to drive it with enthusiasm. I think Paul's words in his posts are pretty accurate, and to get 13/14mpg in daily driving you must be driving the car pretty hard.
I would be interested to know what a standard WRX gets in the real world mpg wise.
Mine is insured through Elephant as a WRX with exhaust, remap/chip and filter and it didn't cost much extra over a standard WRX.
I love mine to bits, and would highly recommend one if you can afford to run it. It has been fantastic in the snow too. Buy the best you can find, even considering a wagon if you find a nice one of those as I did.
As a further guide, I'm getting around 24mpg on a drive across town to work every day. That is mainly keeping the car below 3000rpm (i.e. where the car really comes on boost), whilst allowing for the odd exception. You would easily get over 30mpg out of town if you behaved, and I suspect into the teens if you choose to drive it with enthusiasm. I think Paul's words in his posts are pretty accurate, and to get 13/14mpg in daily driving you must be driving the car pretty hard.
I would be interested to know what a standard WRX gets in the real world mpg wise.
Mine is insured through Elephant as a WRX with exhaust, remap/chip and filter and it didn't cost much extra over a standard WRX.
I love mine to bits, and would highly recommend one if you can afford to run it. It has been fantastic in the snow too. Buy the best you can find, even considering a wagon if you find a nice one of those as I did.
mmcd87 said:
Hi from another WRX PPP owner.
Mine is insured through Elephant as a WRX with exhaust, remap/chip and filter and it didn't cost much extra over a standard WRX.
Hi... Do you have it down with your insurer as a remap or chip. The reason I ask is because I want to get my STi remapped in the new year, but I have read on a number of threads that Admiral and Elephant don't cover remaps, but they do cover chips...Mine is insured through Elephant as a WRX with exhaust, remap/chip and filter and it didn't cost much extra over a standard WRX.
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